Does True Feminism Exist Anymore?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I'm very skeptical of the modern economy. Frankly, I think there was something to the division model of one partner doing housework and one doing the market work. If people want to do otherwise, I suppose that's fine, but the modern economy is tending toward making it compulsory for both to work.

That's entirely seperate from the gender issue ofcourse.

It's a problem that may not be fixed unless we quickly dismantle the stigma against stay-at-home dads. Allowing that stigma to fester much longer will make it's removal impossible due to the nigh-impossibility of most persons having a stay-at-home partner.

Indeed. Stay at home dads can sometimes be of help. ESPECIALLY if the woman is the one with the higher income. If both don't need to work to maintain a good standard of living then in my opinion one should relegate more time to the house and what goes on in it, independently of whether this is the man or the woman in the relationship.

And the stigma of stay-at-home dads stem from the fact that it seems effeminate to stay at home and take care of things. I can cook and clean the house same as a woman as well as learn how to take care of a child, so I feel there shouldn't be a huge deal about a male wanting to do a woman's work or a woman doing a man's work. Then again, I also grew up in a family where women do manly things like be aggressive/assertive and can use power tools so

[Olthar]

I'm not the whitest person on the forum!

Whoo let's celebrate!

[Olthar]

Between 4 and 8.
The joys of being a recluse in a cloudy country.

Are you a vampire?

[Sefard]

I'm very skeptical of the modern economy. Frankly, I think there was something to the division model of one partner doing housework and one doing the market work. If people want to do otherwise, I suppose that's fine, but the modern economy is tending toward making it compulsory for both to work.

That's entirely seperate from the gender issue ofcourse.

It's a problem that may not be fixed unless we quickly dismantle the stigma against stay-at-home dads. Allowing that stigma to fester much longer will make it's removal impossible due to the nigh-impossibility of most persons having a stay-at-home partner.

Indeed. Stay at home dads can sometimes be of help. ESPECIALLY if the woman is the one with the higher income. If both don't need to work to maintain a good standard of living then in my opinion one should relegate more time to the house and what goes on in it, independently of whether this is the man or the woman in the relationship.

And the stigma of stay-at-home dads stem from the fact that it seems effeminate to stay at home and take care of things. I can cook and clean the house same as a woman as well as learn how to take care of a child, so I feel there shouldn't be a huge deal about a male wanting to do a woman's work or a woman doing a man's work. Then again, I also grew up in a family where women do manly things like be aggressive/assertive and can use power tools so

The government should really set up economic policies so that middle class families, and even poor families, can live with one income. We were able to do it 50 to 60 years and even less time ago, there is no reason why we can't do it now, especially with the increase in technology and productivity. Simply put, the money is not going to the people it should be. Additionally, to be frank, women in the workforce makes it easier to lower everyone's salary.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

The government should really set up economic policies so that middle class families, and even poor families, can live with one income. We were able to do it 50 to 60 years and even less time ago, there is no reason why we can't do it now, especially with the increase in technology and productivity. Simply put, the money is not going to the people it should be. Additionally, to be frank, women in the workforce makes it easier to lower everyone's salary.

I feel that would be ideal under most circumstances.

However, the fact remains that depending on how you look at it, some of us are happy with the equality that there is compared to several years back when men were supposed to be stoic, aggressive, and "manly" and be the breadowners while women were supposed to stay at home and just clean cook and have babies by obligation. Nowadays we can choose our roles, and that's fine by me.

[Ostroeuropa]

Between 4 and 8.
The joys of being a recluse in a cloudy country.

Are you a vampire?

No, i'm a gamer.

[Krakadarek]

Are you a vampire?

No, i'm a gamer.

I suck at games for one reason.

[Sefard]

The government should really set up economic policies so that middle class families, and even poor families, can live with one income. We were able to do it 50 to 60 years and even less time ago, there is no reason why we can't do it now, especially with the increase in technology and productivity. Simply put, the money is not going to the people it should be. Additionally, to be frank, women in the workforce makes it easier to lower everyone's salary.

I feel that would be ideal under most circumstances.

However, the fact remains that depending on how you look at it, some of us are happy with the equality that there is compared to several years back when men were supposed to be stoic, aggressive, and "manly" and be the breadowners while women were supposed to stay at home and just clean cook and have babies by obligation. Nowadays we can choose our roles, and that's fine by me.

Coming from the Mediterranean and Middle East, I don't believe in the stoic, aggressive man, either. However, if we are going to maximize the benefit of families then we need to take steps that work, regardless of how unequal they may be sex wise. It would be a different story if despite increasing gender equality the middle class and their incomes weren't continuing to fall.

[The Serbian Empire]

It does, but many of the feminists are really female supremacists.

[Dyakovo]

It does, but many of the feminists are really female supremacists.

And, of course, you can back you that claim...

[Krakadarek]

If they dont bully me they dont bother me.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Really, there are lots of feminisms. Different shades can take a diametrically opposition position on a given issue. The "tumblr feminism" that proliferates on the internet often has undertones of misandry, but the extreme version of all ideologies does tend to be overrepresented online so we really shouldn't be surprised.

[Anubas]

It does, but many of the feminists are really female supremacists.

And, of course, you can back you that claim...

back it up with tumblr posts and blogs and biased MRA sites! because you can't get more reliable than that, am I right?

[Scomagia]

And, of course, you can back you that claim...

back it up with tumblr posts and blogs and biased MRA sites! because you can't get more reliable than that, am I right?

Well obviously the lack of evidence is an anti-man, feminazi plot.

[Des-Bal]

Well obviously the lack of evidence is an anti-man, feminazi plot.

What are you doing?

[Des-Bal]

Really, there are lots of feminisms. Different shades can take a diametrically opposition position on a given issue. The "tumblr feminism" that proliferates on the internet often has undertones of misandry, but the extreme version of all ideologies does tend to be overrepresented online so we really shouldn't be surprised.

I don't think the issue is really overrepresentation of radical elements so much as it is the proper course being less apparent than it used to be.

[Anubas]

Well obviously the lack of evidence is an anti-man, feminazi plot.

What are you doing?

foiling the misandrist, feminazi agenda, obviously.

[Sefard]

What are you doing?

foiling the misandrist, feminazi agenda, obviously.

Being an ass, more like.

[Des-Bal]

foiling the misandrist, feminazi agenda, obviously.

I'm going to ask again. What are you doing? What is this weird little sarcastic back and forth you've got going?

[Anubas]

foiling the misandrist, feminazi agenda, obviously.

I'm going to ask again. What are you doing? What is this weird little sarcastic back and forth you've got going?

it's just what you said. a weird little sarcastic back and forth.

[Des-Bal]

it's just what you said. a weird little sarcastic back and forth.

So it's not actually contributing anything to the thread?

[Dumb Ideologies]

Really, there are lots of feminisms. Different shades can take a diametrically opposition position on a given issue. The "tumblr feminism" that proliferates on the internet often has undertones of misandry, but the extreme version of all ideologies does tend to be overrepresented online so we really shouldn't be surprised.

I don't think the issue is really overrepresentation of radical elements so much as it is the proper course being less apparent than it used to be.

A little from column a, a little from column b. The internet is a great place for people with radical views as by their nature there's not many of them in a given area. Via the internet you can have a virtual community of functional size for the most obscure things.

[Dyakovo]

I'm going to ask again. What are you doing? What is this weird little sarcastic back and forth you've got going?

it's just what you said. a weird little sarcastic back and forth.

Well, stop it. NSG is super serious business, no humour allowed ever.
*nods*

[Scomagia]

it's just what you said. a weird little sarcastic back and forth.

So it's not actually contributing anything to the thread?

I suppose not. You don't have much room to point fingers at this point, however.

[Dumb Ideologies]

it's just what you said. a weird little sarcastic back and forth.

So it's not actually contributing anything to the thread?

It's a common mechanism for space-control online. You saturate the thread with snarky dismissiveness and it raises the barrier for entry for those with opposing views because very few people actively want to enter a space where their views are being ridiculed.

I know that you do, in fact it seems sometimes like you actively enjoy it, but you're pretty much the exception.