Does True Feminism Exist Anymore?

[Ashmoria]

I don't remember if you are a girl or a boy.

if you are a boy you can write your own ticket, marriage-wize.

I'm agendered but sexually male. And I don't think that's true Ashmoria, it certainly helps to be willing to do some housework, but for the most part i've noticed women still seem to expect you to have a job and earn more money than they do. That isn't the case with women who are exposed to gender politics though, for the most part (They seem to notice the stupid). That kind of success isn't really feasible for males who enjoy housework in competition with a woman who devotes her entire energy to careering. Unless that woman is a bit of an idiot, and her full energy can't compete with your half-assed careering and enthusiastic hoovering.

its more a problem of women being all obsessive about how housekeeping is done so they cant allow someone else to do it no matter how great it is that they don't have to do it themselves. a woman in a job path that means a solidly good paycheck doesn't need a more prosperous man as much as a woman who is working for minimum wage at walmart does.

[Ashmoria]

anybody can cook. willingness to do laundry and clean the bathroom will win you a husband.

I'll do the laundry if my wife cleans the bathroom. *nods*

many women despise laundry. you cant write your own ticket but it sure can make wives much happier if they don't have to do both of those chores. a happy wife means a happier spouse. (not happier than the wife but happier than a person whose wife is unhappy)

[Olthar]

I'll do the laundry if my wife cleans the bathroom. *nods*

many women despise laundry. you cant write your own ticket but it sure can make wives much happier if they don't have to do both of those chores. a happy wife means a happier spouse. (not happier than the wife but happier than a person whose wife is unhappy)

What's the problem with laundry? It's easy. :/

[Ostroeuropa]

I'm agendered but sexually male. And I don't think that's true Ashmoria, it certainly helps to be willing to do some housework, but for the most part i've noticed women still seem to expect you to have a job and earn more money than they do. That isn't the case with women who are exposed to gender politics though, for the most part (They seem to notice the stupid). That kind of success isn't really feasible for males who enjoy housework in competition with a woman who devotes her entire energy to careering. Unless that woman is a bit of an idiot, and her full energy can't compete with your half-assed careering and enthusiastic hoovering.

its more a problem of women being all obsessive about how housekeeping is done so they cant allow someone else to do it no matter how great it is that they don't have to do it themselves. a woman in a job path that means a solidly good paycheck doesn't need a more prosperous man as much as a woman who is working for minimum wage at walmart does.

I've not noticed complaints. Probably because it's difficult to out-obsess me. And I think you are underestimating the stigma of "marrying down.", especially among class and capital focused women, who are typically the ones with a good paycheck. (Outside the social sciences.)

[Kyuji]

Knifes , fire and a thousand ways for it to go wrong , how is making sandwiches not manly?

Bro, do you even know where the "women belong in the kitchen" stereotype comes from?

It comes from men working in the coal mines and women working the family farm .

[Ashmoria]

many women despise laundry. you cant write your own ticket but it sure can make wives much happier if they don't have to do both of those chores. a happy wife means a happier spouse. (not happier than the wife but happier than a person whose wife is unhappy)

What's the problem with laundry? It's easy. :/

I don't know. i assume its the freaking endlessness of it once you have kids. otherwise its just sticking clothes into a machine and taking them out once they are done.

[Aequalitia]

Bro, do you even know where the "women belong in the kitchen" stereotype comes from?

It comes from men working in the coal mines and women working the family farm .

Nonono, it comes from males who did work the whole day, and that woman was (forced) to stay home, cooking, care about the children and doing the housekeeping.

There are the roots from that stereotype.

[Ashmoria]

its more a problem of women being all obsessive about how housekeeping is done so they cant allow someone else to do it no matter how great it is that they don't have to do it themselves. a woman in a job path that means a solidly good paycheck doesn't need a more prosperous man as much as a woman who is working for minimum wage at walmart does.

I've not noticed complaints. Probably because it's difficult to out-obsess me. And I think you are underestimating the stigma of "marrying down.", especially among class and capital focused women, who are typically the ones with a good paycheck. (Outside the social sciences.)

just like the acceptalbility of genderlessness in a husband, some do, some don't.

[Ostroeuropa]

What's the problem with laundry? It's easy. :/

I don't know. i assume its the freaking endlessness of it once you have kids. otherwise its just sticking clothes into a machine and taking them out once they are done.

There are a few tricks you can use to cut down on this. Including pressganging the kids into doing some of the laundry, which is useful for other reasons like teaching self-sufficiency, housework, and to be averse to causing a mess (Which itself cuts down on the work significantly).
As a general rule my household when raising me used the "No desert until the room is clean, and if it's not clean by the time we finish eating dinner there will be no desert" system. We quickly learned. It also led to some "Noooooooooooooooo" as slow-motion brocolli was impaled on forks and eaten while we rushed to finish up.

[Cyyro]

There are feminists, then there are Female Supremacists, the latter are annoying as hell.

[Sefard]

I thought someone might say that.

There are women who take it to the wire. That's what they are looking for, the ultimate confrontation. They want a smack.
- Sean Connery

Connery explains that you only beat women, "If you've tried everything else, and -- women are pretty good at this -- they can't leave it alone. They want to have the last word, and you give them the last word, but they're not happy with the last word. They want to say it again, and get into a really provocative situation. Then I think it's absolutely right."

Great words from a great man.

[Kyuji]

It comes from men working in the coal mines and women working the family farm .

Nonono, it comes from males who did work the whole day, and that woman was (forced) to stay home, cooking, care about the children and doing the housekeeping.

There are the roots from that stereotype.

If they had any kind of money. If they were poor or lived on a farm , the women worked .

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Nonono, it comes from males who did work the whole day, and that woman was (forced) to stay home, cooking, care about the children and doing the housekeeping.

There are the roots from that stereotype.

If they had any kind of money. If they were poor or lived on a farm , the women worked .

^This

Although to be fair, most stereotypes come from upper-class old people. The lower classes never bothered with stereotypes as far as I know.

[Aequalitia]

Nonono, it comes from males who did work the whole day, and that woman was (forced) to stay home, cooking, care about the children and doing the housekeeping.

There are the roots from that stereotype.

If they had any kind of money. If they were poor or lived on a farm , the women worked .

Yes but there was always sexism around that. No man around that era who did come home and did cooked the dinner and did care about the children. No, there you having a woman for was the idea.

[Sefard]

Nonono, it comes from males who did work the whole day, and that woman was (forced) to stay home, cooking, care about the children and doing the housekeeping.

There are the roots from that stereotype.

If they had any kind of money. If they were poor or lived on a farm , the women worked .

Very simple. We should give men "Wife Stipends" so their wives needn't work and may spend time leading the household.

[Olthar]

If by olive skin you mean like the average Ashkenazi Israeli or southern Italian...

Exactly the same stuff to anyone but people with a traditionalist understanding of race that is already fairly outdated.

Somewhere between 26 and 28.

I'm either 18 or 20.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

If they had any kind of money. If they were poor or lived on a farm , the women worked .

Yes but there was always sexism around that. No man around that era who did come home and did cooked the dinner and did care about the children. No, there you having a woman for was the idea.

Indeed

I think I enjoy modern times more, and this is speaking as a man; because it has taught me to be self-reliant the realization a woman isn't supposed to do my shit I mean, if she wants to great, but I can take care of myself pretty well, and it's fulfilling in my opinion to be able to rely on yourself.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

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Somewhere between 26 and 28.

I'm either 18 or 20.

I'm between 15 and 18

[Aequalitia]

Yes but there was always sexism around that. No man around that era who did come home and did cooked the dinner and did care about the children. No, there you having a woman for was the idea.

Indeed

I think I enjoy modern times more, and this is speaking as a man; because it has taught me to be self-reliant the realization a woman isn't supposed to do my shit I mean, if she wants to great, but I can take care of myself pretty well, and it's fulfilling in my opinion to be able to rely on yourself.

True, I be glad I can do things for myself instead of having someone for that.

[Ostroeuropa]

Yes but there was always sexism around that. No man around that era who did come home and did cooked the dinner and did care about the children. No, there you having a woman for was the idea.

Indeed

I think I enjoy modern times more, and this is speaking as a man; because it has taught me to be self-reliant the realization a woman isn't supposed to do my shit I mean, if she wants to great, but I can take care of myself pretty well, and it's fulfilling in my opinion to be able to rely on yourself.

I'm very skeptical of the modern economy. Frankly, I think there was something to the division model of one partner doing housework and one doing the market work. If people want to do otherwise, I suppose that's fine, but the modern economy is tending toward making it compulsory for both to work.
That's entirely seperate from the gender issue ofcourse.
It's a problem that may not be fixed unless we quickly dismantle the stigma against stay-at-home dads. Allowing that stigma to fester much longer will make it's removal impossible due to the nigh-impossibility of most persons having a stay-at-home partner.

[Kyuji]

If they had any kind of money. If they were poor or lived on a farm , the women worked .

Yes but there was always sexism around that. No man around that era who did come home and did cooked the dinner and did care about the children. No, there you having a woman for was the idea.

That was the ideal . The reality was a bit different , with male chefs , women and children working for little money , and widowers caring for they're young.

[Olthar]

I'm either 18 or 20.

I'm between 15 and 18

I'm not the whitest person on the forum!

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I'm between 15 and 18

I'm not the whitest person on the forum!

Whoo let's celebrate!

[Ostroeuropa]

Between 4 and 8.
The joys of being a recluse in a cloudy country.

[Ashmoria]

Nonono, it comes from males who did work the whole day, and that woman was (forced) to stay home, cooking, care about the children and doing the housekeeping.

There are the roots from that stereotype.

If they had any kind of money. If they were poor or lived on a farm , the women worked .

feeding people on the farm is work.