I have the right to use government land (now with slavery!)

[Roski]

Well, to me its wrong for anyone to take another person property without buying it. I could see if this man was running a terrorist group, but he was just a simple rancher. Now, his who lifestyle is messed up, and the people who worked for him will need a new source of income, until he is able to fully fix his ranch. Also, the only reason this is not on major news, NBC, CNN, HLN, and others is because most people don't want to admit American has its own problems. We look at other nations as being bad, but we tend to forget we are not perfect either. So in a way, news networks are biased, cause they only tell storys they want to use. For instance CNN says, Obama care is good and how it helps people. So, giving us the mind thought Obama cares for the people, but then fox says Obama care causes trouble, giving us the thought he does not care. So, its all about which view they want you to accept. Sorry this is such a long post, I just combine my thoughts on the current topics.

If Bundy had followed federal laws, this whole issue wouldn't have happened to begin with. So don't pretend like this is some completely innocent rancher hero being oppressed by the omnipresent supah-ebul gubbermint.

According to the Bundy Family, they viewed the land as theirs, as the US Government "stole" it from them.

If that is true, the government is in the wrong.
If it isn't, Bundy can shut up.

[Regnum Dominae]

If Bundy had followed federal laws, this whole issue wouldn't have happened to begin with. So don't pretend like this is some completely innocent rancher hero being oppressed by the omnipresent supah-ebul gubbermint.

According to the Bundy Family, they viewed the land as theirs, as the US Government "stole" it from them.

If that is true, the government is in the wrong.
If it isn't, Bundy can shut up.

It's true that the Bundy family views it that way. However, their view is wrong. The land is not "theirs". It is owned by the Federal Government.

[Mollary]

Nope, but saying things that are disingenuous at best, and outright lies at worst, does make it a poor source.

Besides, infowars is hardly in favor of the people, more a nutty minority who claim that their are little cameras spying on us through our light bulbs.

That part was sarcasm.

Well, you can't convey tone on here and I've never encountered before and have little idea of what you believe, so, you know, it isn't exactly inept not to pick up on sarcasm.

[Christainville]

Umm, did you not hear. The government took his land for private projects, and they just got caught in their move, because people started talking about it and it got to the news. If the people did not talk and start fighting the government, they would have taken his ranch and nothing would have happened. What if it was your home, would you like it if the feds just suddenly came in and took your place. I think I would fight back to, not kill, but I would fight, blockade, do what ever I could. Even though the feds used made up laws to support their case, and Bundy violated these laws, it was still his home. I don't think a law applies to this. When another person takes something that legally belongs to you, it called stealing.

[Benuty]

I keep thinking of Ted Bundy everytime I look at the title.

[Roski]

Well, to me its wrong for anyone to take another person property without buying it. I could see if this man was running a terrorist group, but he was just a simple rancher. Now, his who lifestyle is messed up, and the people who worked for him will need a new source of income, until he is able to fully fix his ranch. Also, the only reason this is not on major news, NBC, CNN, HLN, and others is because most people don't want to admit American has its own problems. We look at other nations as being bad, but we tend to forget we are not perfect either. So in a way, news networks are biased, cause they only tell storys they want to use. For instance CNN says, Obama care is good and how it helps people. So, giving us the mind thought Obama cares for the people, but then fox says Obama care causes trouble, giving us the thought he does not care. So, its all about which view they want you to accept. Sorry this is such a long post, I just combine my thoughts on the current topics.

A "simple rancher" who has been breaking the law for 20+ years.

The case of United States v. Bundy played out over many years in the United States District Court for the District of Nevada. It involved court orders, injunctions, and notices. Bundy argued that the land belongs to the state.[3] The court ruled that the land on which Bundy was grazing his cattle was indeed owned by the federal government, that he had not been paying to use it as he should have been, that Bundy and his cattle were trespassing, and that the government had the right to enforce the injunctions against trespass. The court found that Bundy repeatedly violated the court orders and continued to have his cattle trespass.

The land does belong to the state, but, the federal government has the right to take it, but they can't just sue him out of it.

[Regnum Dominae]

Umm, did you not hear. The government took his land for private projects, and they just got caught in their move, because people started talking about it and it got to the news. If the people did not talk and start fighting the government, they would have taken his ranch and nothing would have happened. What if it was your home, would you like it if the feds just suddenly came in and took your place. I think I would fight back to, not kill, but I would fight, blockade, do what ever I could. Even though the feds used made up laws to support their case, and Bundy violated these laws, it was still his home. I don't think a law applies to this. When another person takes something that legally belongs to you, it called stealing.

The land legally belonged to the government.

And the militiamen who defended Bundy were not just ordinary "people fighting the government". They were domestic terrorists.

[Dyakovo]

Probably the former, since he's got nothing that supports his version of what happened.

I personally think this is just a bunch of bull. The Federal Government really doesn't need to tax for grazing¹, and the family claims the land is still theirs². Moreover, the rapid militarization of Nevada, supported by the Governor, and attacked by the Senator, was more than uncalled for³.
This again seems that these "Patriots" are more hell bent on destabilizing the country, instead of doing things through politics.
In my opinion, both sides are wrong.

First off, I said it was bullshit. This has been in the OP the whole time. Sorry, you failed.

Secondly, I have a reliable source up on the OP.⁴

1: They aren't. The land use fee is not a tax.
2: The family is wrong. The land can't possibly "still be theirs" because it was never theirs to begin with. The land belongs to the Federal Government.
3: Nevada was never militarized.
4: One source that was decent and did not support the story you presented in the OP.

[Roski]

That part was sarcasm.

Well, you can't convey tone on here and I've never encountered before and have little idea of what you believe, so, you know, it isn't exactly inept not to pick up on sarcasm.

Maybe you should read the OP to find out what I believe.
Its very clearly stated.

[Death Metal]

Umm, did you not hear. The government took his land for private projects,

That's not what happened. Read a real news site, please, not the totalitarian BS factory InfoWars.

[Christainville]

Its also about time the Feds got a taste of their own medicine, just cause you have a badge, or have some title, or can make a senate bill does not mean your God over man. If they want land so bad, its about time they abolished taxes, and did all the work for the nation. How about they get their buts and farm, ranch, build houses. If they want their land, then they should maintain it and provide for the people. Since they wont ever do that, let the people who will do it OWN their land, and do their JOBS which make our economy. Case Closed. Btw, if the goverment ever did do that for all of us watch out, that's the beginning of a communist state most likely, its not that the government wants to do good, they want to control you.

[Roski]

I personally think this is just a bunch of bull. The Federal Government really doesn't need to tax for grazing¹, and the family claims the land is still theirs². Moreover, the rapid militarization of Nevada, supported by the Governor, and attacked by the Senator, was more than uncalled for³.
This again seems that these "Patriots" are more hell bent on destabilizing the country, instead of doing things through politics.
In my opinion, both sides are wrong.

First off, I said it was bullshit. This has been in the OP the whole time. Sorry, you failed.

Secondly, I have a reliable source up on the OP.⁴

1: They aren't. The land use fee is not a tax.
2: The family is wrong. The land can't possibly "still be theirs" because it was never theirs to begin with. The land belongs to the Federal Government.
3: Nevada was never militarized.
4: One source that was decent and did not support the story you presented in the OP.

1: It is.
2: They apparently owned it at one point
3: So thousands of "Patriot Militias" did not try to point guns at the BLM? Ok.
4: But, it does...

[Pandeeria]

Umm, did you not hear. The government took his land for private projects, and they just got caught in their move, because people started talking about it and it got to the news. If the people did not talk and start fighting the government, they would have taken his ranch and nothing would have happened. What if it was your home, would you like it if the feds just suddenly came in and took your place. I think I would fight back to, not kill, but I would fight, blockade, do what ever I could. Even though the feds used made up laws to support their case, and Bundy violated these laws, it was still his home. I don't think a law applies to this. When another person takes something that legally belongs to you, it called stealing.

The land was federally owned.

Blundy was a thief.

[Imperializt Russia]

If Bundy had followed federal laws, this whole issue wouldn't have happened to begin with. So don't pretend like this is some completely innocent rancher hero being oppressed by the omnipresent supah-ebul gubbermint.

According to the Bundy Family, they viewed the land as theirs, as the US Government "stole" it from them.

If that is true, the government is in the wrong.
If it isn't, Bundy can shut up.

That's not what Wiki, citing CNN, has Bundy down as saying in his own legal defence.

The case of United States v. Bundy played out over many years in the United States District Court for the District of Nevada. It involved court orders, injunctions, and notices. Bundy argued that the land belongs to the state.[3] The court ruled that the land on which Bundy was grazing his cattle was indeed owned by the federal government, that he had not been paying to use it as he should have been, that Bundy and his cattle were trespassing, and that the government had the right to enforce the injunctions against trespass. The court found that Bundy repeatedly violated the court orders and continued to have his cattle trespass.[3][4]

There's also the fact that, if you are in the right, and pay the fees you feel are unjust, the state will be forced to reimburse you.

So rather than being a million dollars in debt, if he'd played by the system of the damned country he lives in, he could be a million dollars up, pretty soon.

But nope. Big Gub'mint, evil, etc.

[Dyakovo]

Its also about time the Feds got a taste of their own medicine, just cause you have a badge, or have some title, or can make a senate bill does not mean your God over man. If they want land so bad, its about time they abolished taxes, and did all the work for the nation. How about they get their buts and farm, ranch, build houses. If they want their land, then they should maintain it and provide for the people. Since they wont ever do that, let the people who will do it OWN their land, and do their JOBS which make our economy. Case Closed. Btw, if the goverment ever did do that for all of us watch out, that's the beginning of a communist state most likely, its not that the government wants to do good, they want to control you.

The land already belongs to the Federal government, has since before Nevada was a state, so no, they don't have to do anything to "prove the land is theirs".

[Roski]

Its also about time the Feds got a taste of their own medicine, just cause you have a badge, or have some title, or can make a senate bill does not mean your God over man. If they want land so bad, its about time they abolished taxes, and did all the work for the nation. How about they get their buts and farm, ranch, build houses. If they want their land, then they should maintain it and provide for the people. Since they wont ever do that, let the people who will do it OWN their land, and do their JOBS which make our economy. Case Closed. Btw, if the goverment ever did do that for all of us watch out, that's the beginning of a communist state most likely, its not that the government wants to do good, they want to control you.

What?
That is economic suicide, implementing any of those would literally be the President, and every member of the Government, and all 320 million people in the US shooting themselves in the face.

Twice.

[Death Metal]

-snip-

Except the Bundy Family are lying, and have had zero of their land taken.

[Christainville]

Okay, so all of you who take up for the Feds, don't come crying when something happens, and the feds say, oops we cant help you. You, your family, and friends will starve. Then, they will come and raid you for anything you have. Hope you will enjoy it if it happens. That's what happens when the feds get to use their power with out being fought back.

[Roski]

Okay, so all of you who take up for the Feds, don't come crying when something happens, and the feds say, oops we cant help you. You, your family, and friends will starve. Then, they will come and raid you for anything you have. Hope you will enjoy it if it happens. That's what happens when the feds get to use their power with out being fought back.

Not sure what the Feds are going to do with 1/4th of an acre of land.

[Dyakovo]

1: They aren't. The land use fee is not a tax.
2: The family is wrong. The land can't possibly "still be theirs" because it was never theirs to begin with. The land belongs to the Federal Government.
3: Nevada was never militarized.
4: One source that was decent and did not support the story you presented in the OP.

1: It is.
2: They apparently owned it at one point
3: So thousands of "Patriot Militias" did not try to point guns at the BLM? Ok.
4: But, it does...

1: Wrong. A fee is not a tax. The land-use fee is no different than any other lease payment.
2: No, the Bundy family never owned the land. In the past they paid the land use fee to have access to the land for grazing. Then they stopped paying the fee.
3: Ignorant rednecks pointing guns at police officers is not "militarizing Nevada".
4: Two bulls=/=mass grave.

[Death Metal]

Okay, so all of you who take up for the Feds, don't come crying when something happens, and the feds say, oops we cant help you. You, your family, and friends will starve. Then, they will come and raid you for anything you have. Hope you will enjoy it if it happens. That's what happens when the feds get to use their power with out being fought back.

Except it's actually the side claiming that this is true that are the ones out to destroy your liberties.

[Christainville]

Its not so much what, its the principle. This nations was supposed to be land of the free, home of the brave. Where everyone has a chance, yet only if you use their rules, and do what they say, do you get anything. If you don't do exactly what they say, then you get label a traitor for no good reason.

[Dyakovo]

Okay, so all of you who take up for the Feds, don't come crying when something happens, and the feds say, oops we cant help you. You, your family, and friends will starve. Then, they will come and raid you for anything you have. Hope you will enjoy it if it happens. That's what happens when the feds get to use their power with out being fought back.

Not sure what the Feds are going to do with 1/4th of an acre of land.

Apparently he's expecting the to feed the nation off of it...

[Zaldakki]

I thought this was going to be about Ted Bundy's family and them finding a mass grave of his victims.

[Pandeeria]

Okay, so all of you who take up for the Feds, don't come crying when something happens, and the feds say, oops we cant help you. You, your family, and friends will starve. Then, they will come and raid you for anything you have. Hope you will enjoy it if it happens. That's what happens when the feds get to use their power with out being fought back.

They were within their legal rights. The BLM was defending THEIR property.

You're exaggerating this to hell and back, and in a very paranoid fashion.