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Who's right in this whole debacle

The BLM "Bureau of Land Manegment" i.e. the government
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The Nevada Rancher
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Half & Half
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7%
Neither
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Total votes : 398

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:06 pm

Tekania wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:The only non-Cliven link I can see now is Ted's Wikipedia page.


Well I've checked again, Ted appears to be making a comeback, now I have teh IMDB page as well as teh wiki page for the film and Ted Bundy.

IT is the google Battle of the Bundys!!!!!!

I'm pulling for the clear underdog, Bundy instruments.
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Postby Blakk Metal » Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:09 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Tekania wrote:
Well I've checked again, Ted appears to be making a comeback, now I have teh IMDB page as well as teh wiki page for the film and Ted Bundy.

IT is the google Battle of the Bundys!!!!!!

I'm pulling for the clear underdog, Bundy instruments.

Bundy beer is definitely dead though.

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Postby Tekania » Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:15 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:I'm pulling for the clear underdog, Bundy instruments.

Bundy beer is definitely dead though.


I'm going to the Bundy Manufacturing Company, the ultimately in underdog in that the company merged with another company and changed names more then 100 years ago.
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Postby StardustLolita » Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:23 pm

I am quite certain that there is more than enough land for the turtles and cows to share.

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Postby Dyakovo » Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:25 pm

StardustLolita wrote:I am quite certain that there is more than enough land for the turtles and cows to share.

You have no clue what this is about, do you?
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Postby Caninope » Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:33 pm

Lucipurr wrote:What the fuck did the cattle do to the Federal Agents? I honestly hope they're charged for this.

Why? The Federal Government has had the right to impound this fuckwit's cattle since 1998 under a district court order, and that does include killing said cattle.
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Postby United Prefectures of Appia » Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:02 am

If you thought it couldn't get worse with killing cattles, guess again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k63jOjxFpaA
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Postby Tekania » Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:47 am

United Prefectures of Appia wrote:If you thought it couldn't get worse with killing cattles, guess again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k63jOjxFpaA


Pretty apt description of how I saw it to, use women and children as body shields in the event the fight you're attempting to instigate escalates to gunfire.
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Postby Gauthier » Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:27 am

Tekania wrote:
United Prefectures of Appia wrote:If you thought it couldn't get worse with killing cattles, guess again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k63jOjxFpaA


Pretty apt description of how I saw it to, use women and children as body shields in the event the fight you're attempting to instigate escalates to gunfire.


If a bunch of brown people used human shields, would FOXNews and the rest of the right wing celebrate them as "patriots"? Of course not.
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Postby Tekania » Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:48 am

Gauthier wrote:
Tekania wrote:
Pretty apt description of how I saw it to, use women and children as body shields in the event the fight you're attempting to instigate escalates to gunfire.


If a bunch of brown people used human shields, would FOXNews and the rest of the right wing celebrate them as "patriots"? Of course not.


Yes, I'm certain the Fox headline on that would be calling them "Terrorists".
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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:05 pm

Cliven Bundy is just a moo-cher.
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Postby Death Metal » Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:13 pm

United Prefectures of Appia wrote:If you thought it couldn't get worse with killing cattles, guess again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k63jOjxFpaA


Like I said, Bundy's backers are cowardly bullies.
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Postby Sociobiology » Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:16 pm

L Ron Cupboard wrote:Cliven Bundy is just a moo-cher.

i lick becks phrase better, welfare rancher.
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Postby Geilinor » Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:16 pm


Why do so many conservative politicians and commentators support this liar?
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:18 pm

Geilinor wrote:

Why do so many conservative politicians and commentators support this liar?


Because if you're not overly concerned with the facts of the matter, the story itself is a Southwestern Libertarian wet dream, with the successful independent rancher being pushed around by an overreaching federal government, and finally taking a stand with the assistance of his fellow patriotic Americans.

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Postby Tekania » Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:18 pm



Not surprising, and lines up with the ranch's first recorded purchase of grazing permits in the 50's and the fact that Bundy's own father was not even born in Nevada.
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Postby Gauthier » Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:20 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Why do so many conservative politicians and commentators support this liar?


Because if you're not overly concerned with the facts of the matter, the story itself is a Southwestern Libertarian wet dream, with the successful independent rancher being pushed around by an overreaching federal government, and finally taking a stand with the assistance of his fellow patriotic Americans.


Once again, Jon Stewart exposes the inherent right-wing hypocrisy in the Bundy worship.

‘Who the Hell Is on This Guy’s Side?’ Stewart Tears into Hannity for Bundy Hypocrisy
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Postby Fireye » Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:56 am

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Why do so many conservative politicians and commentators support this liar?


Because if you're not overly concerned with the facts of the matter, the story itself is a Southwestern Libertarian wet dream, with the successful independent rancher being pushed around by an overreaching federal government, and finally taking a stand with the assistance of his fellow patriotic Americans.

I'm a pretty staunch smaller-government supporter myself, and all I see is an asshole flaunting his crimes.

I don't get how the Libertarians don't see that.
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Postby Distruzio » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:01 am

I don't really think one should benefit from welfarism without at least acknowledging that is what you need. Buddy is stealing from the taxpayers. If he'd have asked for permission from the established agent of the taxpayers (the government) and received that permission then I'd maybe have a bit of sympathy... maybe.

I am, however, hostile to welfarism.
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Postby Tekania » Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:14 am

Fireye wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Because if you're not overly concerned with the facts of the matter, the story itself is a Southwestern Libertarian wet dream, with the successful independent rancher being pushed around by an overreaching federal government, and finally taking a stand with the assistance of his fellow patriotic Americans.

I'm a pretty staunch smaller-government supporter myself, and all I see is an asshole flaunting his crimes.

I don't get how the Libertarians don't see that.


Indeed, I can understand disagreeing with a particular laws or regulation..... I might even have a slight bit more sympathy towards him if the issue were about his own property. But the simple fact is in this case he is basically arguing for a right to use property he doesn't personally own for whatever purpose he wants and is telling the actual owners to fuck off and holding guns to their heads while he exploits the land for his own personal benefit.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:23 pm

Tekania wrote:
Fireye wrote:I'm a pretty staunch smaller-government supporter myself, and all I see is an asshole flaunting his crimes.

I don't get how the Libertarians don't see that.


Indeed, I can understand disagreeing with a particular laws or regulation..... I might even have a slight bit more sympathy towards him if the issue were about his own property. But the simple fact is in this case he is basically arguing for a right to use property he doesn't personally own for whatever purpose he wants and is telling the actual owners to fuck off and holding guns to their heads while he exploits the land for his own personal benefit.

What if we used his own tactic against him. By which we have stuff owned by the federal government use his land Without paying fees and then when he demand we move we gather armed pro government supporters and have them point guns at his head figuratively and see if he likes being treated that way.
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Postby Shaggai » Wed Apr 23, 2014 2:40 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Tekania wrote:
Indeed, I can understand disagreeing with a particular laws or regulation..... I might even have a slight bit more sympathy towards him if the issue were about his own property. But the simple fact is in this case he is basically arguing for a right to use property he doesn't personally own for whatever purpose he wants and is telling the actual owners to fuck off and holding guns to their heads while he exploits the land for his own personal benefit.

What if we used his own tactic against him. By which we have stuff owned by the federal government use his land Without paying fees and then when he demand we move we gather armed pro government supporters and have them point guns at his head figuratively and see if he likes being treated that way.

That would be stupid, because it would be illegal. The whole point of the government is not to do illegal things.
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Postby Tekania » Wed Apr 23, 2014 2:46 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Tekania wrote:
Indeed, I can understand disagreeing with a particular laws or regulation..... I might even have a slight bit more sympathy towards him if the issue were about his own property. But the simple fact is in this case he is basically arguing for a right to use property he doesn't personally own for whatever purpose he wants and is telling the actual owners to fuck off and holding guns to their heads while he exploits the land for his own personal benefit.

What if we used his own tactic against him. By which we have stuff owned by the federal government use his land Without paying fees and then when he demand we move we gather armed pro government supporters and have them point guns at his head figuratively and see if he likes being treated that way.


No, he's allowed to gather military forces to invade others land...... but having that done to him i wrong. Down wit the Feds! USA!USA!USA!
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Postby Death Metal » Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:00 pm

Fireye wrote:
I don't get how the Libertarians don't see that.


Because the President is a Democrat. Plain and simple.
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