I have the right to use government land (now with slavery!)

[Viritica]

We made it up the evolutionary ladder before them and every other species on the planet, we are the top of the food chain.

Wrong on both counts.

How? We are technically at the top of the food chain.

[Cannot think of a name]

Wrong on both counts.

How? We are technically at the top of the food chain.

C'mon, they even made it into a song for you.

[Death Metal]

Wrong on both counts.

How? We are technically at the top of the food chain.

Actually, it's more of a web, and we are by no means on the "top" of it. Another animals feed on us all the time.

[Nazi Flower Power]

I don't care about Bundy losing his investment. He brought this on himself.

No he didn't. He was trying to feed his family, should they have to pay for his mistakes (really, it's the government's fault)

He was warned that he needed to pay the grazing fees or remove the cattle from that land, and he didn't pay the fees or remove the cattle. How is that not bringing it on himself?

[New Grestin]

If dolphins or octupi or lizard people ruled the world, then they'd do the exact same to us.

Logical absurdity with no basis in fact.

If you could back that up, you know, with some actual reasoning instead of sitting there smugly, that'd be nice. Otherwise, stop wasting my time.

When a cow dominates the planet, develops technology, travels into space, and contemplates it's own existence, then come back to me, but until then, they're a species used for the explicit purpose of being killed and consumed, giving them rights or acting like they have rights is a waste of time and energy.

[AiliailiA]

I don't care about Bundy losing his investment. He brought this on himself.

No he didn't. He was trying to feed his family, should they have to pay for his mistakes (really, it's the government's fault)

By that standard we shouldn't imprison armed robbers if they have children. They were "just trying to feed their family".

Bundy's kids are grown adults anyway.

[Viritica]

How? We are technically at the top of the food chain.

Actually, it's more of a web, and we are by no means on the "top" of it. Another animals feed on us all the time.

Yes... And then we go and kill them.

And sometimes we even feed on them.

[AiliailiA]

How? We are technically at the top of the food chain.

Actually, it's more of a web, and we are by no means on the "top" of it. Another animals feed on us all the time.

That's right. Watch out for that leech and keep your hat on. There's buzzards around.

(Actually, mainly bacteria)

[Slarvainian]

The family owes the federal government a million dollars in taxes, would not stop breaking the law, threatened federal agents with bodily harm. The feds should move in there, declare this guy a domestic terrorist, take his cattle and as much of his land that's needed to pay off this million that he owes them.

[Death Metal]

Actually, it's more of a web, and we are by no means on the "top" of it. Another animals feed on us all the time.

Yes... And then we go and kill them.

And sometimes we even feed on them.

That isn't how the food web works.

[Viritica]

Yes... And then we go and kill them.

And sometimes we even feed on them.

That isn't how the food web works.

Oh. Do tell.

[Buddha Punk Robot Monks]

Warning. The images in the sources provided below may be disturbing
SOURCES: http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nevada/blm-2-bulls-euthanized-during-cliven-bundy-cattle-roundup

Posted to the official Bundy Ranch Facebook page, the gruesome image shows several dead cattle being removed from a makeshift grave discovered just this weekend.
“Digging up 1 of the HUGE holes where they threw the cows that they had ran to death or shot,” the picture’s description reads. “I feel that this NEEDS to be put out for the public to see.”
The picture backs up reports by several people including Nevada assemblywoman Michele Fiore, who commented on the BLM’s cattle graves last Tuesday.
“Near their compound, right off the highway, they were digging holes,” Fiore said. “They tried to bury some cows on the compound, but I guess they didn’t dig the hole deep enough, so they throw a cow in and they put dirt over him and you have cows’ legs sticking up out of the dirt.”
Fiore also displayed several photos on her Twitter account Sunday, labeling the incident the “BLM Massacre.”


As expected, American "Patriotic" Militia are uprising (again), and appear to be threatening a revolution of sorts.

The family claims that the "massacre" is unlawful, and federal agents have admitted to shooting the cattle.

Of course, the feds said one thing, and did another!

I personally think this is just a bunch of bull. The Federal Government really doesn't need to tax for grazing, and the family claims the land is still theirs. Moreover, the rapid militarization of Nevada, supported by the Governor, and attacked by the Senator, was more than uncalled for.
This again seems that these "Patriots" are more hell bent on destabilizing the country, instead of doing things through politics.
In my opinion, both sides are wrong.

What say you, nationstates?

Just by the title, I thought you were talking about Ted Bundy, the serial killer.

[Death Metal]

That isn't how the food web works.

Oh. Do tell.

Killing animals that prey on you doe not put you on the top. If anything, it makes you lesser, unless you naturally prey on them which makes you equals. That's one of the several reasons why it's not a linear chain. And if it were a chain, bacteria and maggots would be at the top, not humans.

[Viritica]

Oh. Do tell.

Killing animals that prey on you doe not put you on the top. If anything, it makes you lesser, unless you naturally prey on them which makes you equals. That's one of the several reasons why it's not a linear chain. And if it were a chain, bacteria and maggots would be at the top, not humans.

Considering I was only taught about the food chain and that humans are taught about I have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

Maybe we just love in different countries. I don't know.

[Death Metal]

Killing animals that prey on you doe not put you on the top. If anything, it makes you lesser, unless you naturally prey on them which makes you equals. That's one of the several reasons why it's not a linear chain. And if it were a chain, bacteria and maggots would be at the top, not humans.

Considering I was only taught about the food chain and that humans are taught about I have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

Maybe we just love in different countries. I don't know.

Or, you know, I understand that the food chain is a gross misrepresentation of an ecosystem's cycle of predation and nourishment and you, apparently, don't.

[AiliailiA]

Actually, a million dollars is merciful. From the October 2013 judgement:

This case arises out of Bundy’s unauthorized and unlawful grazing of his livestock on property owned by the United States and administered by the Department of the Interior (“the DOI”) through the Bureau of Land Management (“the BLM”) and the National Park Service (“the NPS”). On November 3, 1998, the Court issued an Order permanently enjoining Bundy from grazing his livestock on the former Bunkerville Allotment (“the Allotment”), and ordering him to remove his livestock from the Allotment by no later than November 30, 1998, and pay damages to the United States in the amount of $200 per day per head for any remaining livestock on the allotment after November 30, 1998. Doc. #19.

Bundy claims 550 cattle, and we know for certain that 400 of his cattle were grazing on federal land because that's how many the BLM rounded up. Other estimates of how many cattle have his brand are 1000 and 1100.

Between Nov 3 1998 and the present (20 April in the US) is 5646 days.

So he owes something between 451 million and 1.2 billion dollars in fines!

The BLM is going easy on him by claiming only a million ...

[Grave_n_idle]

I don't care about Bundy losing his investment. He brought this on himself.

No he didn't. He was trying to feed his family, should they have to pay for his mistakes (really, it's the government's fault)

"He was trying to feed his family" and "He brought this on himself" aren't actually contradictory - and both can be true at the same time.

Whether or not he was 'just trying to feed his family', he DID trespass, repeatedly, deliberately, and consistently - over many years. He really did most certainly 'bring it on himself'.

[Viritica]

Considering I was only taught about the food chain and that humans are taught about I have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

Maybe we just love in different countries. I don't know.

Or, you know, I understand that the food chain is a gross misrepresentation of an ecosystem's cycle of predation and nourishment and you, apparently, don't.

So snippy.

If you think that what my country teaches us is wrong then by all means take it up with them. Don't bitch to me about it.

[Neutraligon]

Or, you know, I understand that the food chain is a gross misrepresentation of an ecosystem's cycle of predation and nourishment and you, apparently, don't.

So snippy.

If you think that what my country teaches us is wrong then by all means take it up with them. Don't bitch to me about it.

What your country taught you is the simplest understanding of predation and nourishment. It is incorrect in that it does not take into account how complex the system really is. It is however much easier to understand.

[Pilotto]

So snippy.

If you think that what my country teaches us is wrong then by all means take it up with them. Don't bitch to me about it.

What your country taught you is the simplest understanding of predation and nourishment. It is incorrect in that it does not take into account how complex the system really is. It is however much easier to understand.

So... do you think that American children don't know what a food web is?

[AiliailiA]

What your country taught you is the simplest understanding of predation and nourishment. It is incorrect in that it does not take into account how complex the system really is. It is however much easier to understand.

So... do you think that American children don't know what a food web is?

Are you assuming Viritica is American? Or do you know that?

[Greed and Death]

Actually, a million dollars is merciful. From the October 2013 judgement:

This case arises out of Bundy’s unauthorized and unlawful grazing of his livestock on property owned by the United States and administered by the Department of the Interior (“the DOI”) through the Bureau of Land Management (“the BLM”) and the National Park Service (“the NPS”). On November 3, 1998, the Court issued an Order permanently enjoining Bundy from grazing his livestock on the former Bunkerville Allotment (“the Allotment”), and ordering him to remove his livestock from the Allotment by no later than November 30, 1998, and pay damages to the United States in the amount of $200 per day per head for any remaining livestock on the allotment after November 30, 1998. Doc. #19.

Bundy claims 550 cattle, and we know for certain that 400 of his cattle were grazing on federal land because that's how many the BLM rounded up. Other estimates of how many cattle have his brand are 1000 and 1100.

Between Nov 3 1998 and the present (20 April in the US) is 5646 days.

So he owes something between 451 million and 1.2 billion dollars in fines!

The BLM is going easy on him by claiming only a million ...

And he is going easy on them by only running off the BLM instead of shooting.

[Viritica]

So... do you think that American children don't know what a food web is?

Are you assuming Viritica is American? Or do you know that?

He knows I'm American.

[Pilotto]

So... do you think that American children don't know what a food web is?

Are you assuming Viritica is American? Or do you know that?

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It's not exactly something that he has attempted to hide.

[AiliailiA]

Actually, a million dollars is merciful. From the October 2013 judgement:



Bundy claims 550 cattle, and we know for certain that 400 of his cattle were grazing on federal land because that's how many the BLM rounded up. Other estimates of how many cattle have his brand are 1000 and 1100.

Between Nov 3 1998 and the present (20 April in the US) is 5646 days.

So he owes something between 451 million and 1.2 billion dollars in fines!

The BLM is going easy on him by claiming only a million ...

And he is going easy on them by only running off the BLM instead of shooting.

Neither Bundy, his family, his employees or his supporters have any legal justification to shoot. And you know it.