I have the right to use government land (now with slavery!)

[Roski]

Who said this? Can you please provide the actual statement I said that it was a "cow holocaust"

Gestin, You gave no logical explanation of why cows have no rights. By your logic, it would be ok to cut the leg of a cow, then not treat it, then cut another, etc, until it's dead.

By that logic as well, America has the right to start mass murdering everyone in other countries.

[Dyakovo]

Gestin, You gave no logical explanation of why cows have no rights. By your logic, it would be ok to cut the leg of a cow, then not treat it, then cut another, etc, until it's dead.

By that logic as well, America has the right to start mass murdering everyone in other countries.

...
I'm not following.

[Nazi Flower Power]

And? I don't see how it makes sense to eat hamburger (which I do) and then get upset about cattle being killed.

Because its a waste, for consumers and the ranch.

The steers weren't sold or distributed, meaning a waste of investment.

We're talking about:
Medicine
Feed
Time
And solid cash if the steer was bought as a calf

Cows are not cheap to raise, they need to be sold or cut up and distributed to return a profit or feed the family.
And as someone who has experience in the business, it's not good at all. Unless the steers were sick but even then the Bundys should have had them returned.

It's a shitty business.

I don't care about Bundy losing his investment. He brought this on himself.

[Roski]

Who said this? Can you please provide the actual statement I said that it was a "cow holocaust"

Gestin, You gave no logical explanation of why cows have no rights. By your logic, it would be ok to cut the leg of a cow, then not treat it, then cut another, etc, until it's dead.

By that logic as well, America has the right to start mass murdering everyone in other countries.

...
I'm not following.

[Dyakovo]

Gestin, You gave no logical explanation of why cows have no rights. By your logic, it would be ok to cut the leg of a cow, then not treat it, then cut another, etc, until it's dead.

...
I'm not following.

So, if you're not an American you're not human?

[Jumalariik]

Because its a waste, for consumers and the ranch.

The steers weren't sold or distributed, meaning a waste of investment.

We're talking about:
Medicine
Feed
Time
And solid cash if the steer was bought as a calf

Cows are not cheap to raise, they need to be sold or cut up and distributed to return a profit or feed the family.
And as someone who has experience in the business, it's not good at all. Unless the steers were sick but even then the Bundys should have had them returned.

It's a shitty business.

I don't care about Bundy losing his investment. He brought this on himself.

No he didn't. He was trying to feed his family, should they have to pay for his mistakes (really, it's the government's fault)

[Geilinor]

Gestin, You gave no logical explanation of why cows have no rights. By your logic, it would be ok to cut the leg of a cow, then not treat it, then cut another, etc, until it's dead.

By that logic as well, America has the right to start mass murdering everyone in other countries.

The people of other countries are humans.

[Roski]

So, if you're not an American you're not human?

No. He says that Humans have evolved far beyond cows, therefor, no one gives a fuck.

Well, America has evolved far beyond the rest of the world, does that mean that US Soldiers can go into London Square and just open fire on anything that moves?

No.

[New Grestin]

Who said this? Can you please provide the actual statement I said that it was a "cow holocaust"

Gestin, You gave no logical explanation of why cows have no rights. By your logic, it would be ok to cut the leg of a cow, then not treat it, then cut another, etc, until it's dead.

Cows don't have rights because they're cows. That's my point. They're not human beings, they're animals. A human being is capable of higher thought processes than a cow, whereas a cow only eats, shits, and then eats again. A cow can't converse, a cow can't even comprehend the fact that it even is a cow. Human genocide wouldn't be justified, but we've been committing the equivalent of a holocaust against cows for hundreds of years. They're bred and born to be slaughtered, humans aren't. That's my point. If an animal is produced simply for the sake of killing and consumption, then it doesn't deserve the same rights as the more intelligent animal which allowed it to produce.

tl;dr

Cows are bred to be killed, humans aren't. If anything, the killing of the two cows was a waste of food that could have been packaged, processed, and sold to the general public.

[Roski]

By that logic as well, America has the right to start mass murdering everyone in other countries.

The people of other countries are humans.

That isn't the point.

[Geilinor]

So, if you're not an American you're not human?

No. He says that Humans have evolved far beyond cows, therefor, no one gives a fuck.

Well, America has evolved far beyond the rest of the world, does that mean that US Soldiers can go into London Square and just open fire on anything that moves?

No.

America has evolved far beyond the rest of the world? Do you know how you come across right now?

[Neutraligon]

So, if you're not an American you're not human?

No. He says that Humans have evolved far beyond cows, therefor, no one gives a fuck.

Well, America has evolved far beyond the rest of the world, does that mean that US Soldiers can go into London Square and just open fire on anything that moves?

No.

How is it Americans have "evolved" beyond the rest of the world?

[Dyakovo]

I don't care about Bundy losing his investment. He brought this on himself.

No he didn't. He was trying to feed his family, should they have to pay for his mistakes (really, it's the government's fault)

Yes, he did. He could have either stopped grazing his cattle on that land, or continued paying for the privilege of grazing his cattle on that land.

[Death Metal]

Gestin, You gave no logical explanation of why cows have no rights. By your logic, it would be ok to cut the leg of a cow, then not treat it, then cut another, etc, until it's dead.

Cows don't have rights because they're cows. That's my point. They're not human beings, they're animals. A human being is capable of higher thought processes than a cow,

1) Human beings are also animals
2) Nice sourceless claim with no basis in scientific fact.
3) Humans are not the most intelligent animal species, nor the only species capable of reason.

[Dyakovo]

So, if you're not an American you're not human?

No. He says that Humans have evolved far beyond cows, therefor, no one gives a fuck.

Well, America has evolved far beyond the rest of the world, does that mean that US Soldiers can go into London Square and just open fire on anything that moves?

No.

No, it hasn't.

[New Grestin]

No. He says that Humans have evolved far beyond cows, therefor, no one gives a fuck.

Well, America has evolved far beyond the rest of the world, does that mean that US Soldiers can go into London Square and just open fire on anything that moves?

No.

How is it Americans have "evolved" beyond the rest of the world?

Does NSG normally misconstrue a point this hard?

That wasn't a political statement, that was me pointing out that cattle are dumber than humans and bred for consumption, not that Americans are better than another country.

Americans are humans, Chinese are humans, Russians are humans, English people are humans.

Cows are not Humans.

We made it up the evolutionary ladder before them and every other species on the planet, we are the top of the food chain. Ergo, we can do whatever we please with the planet. We shouldn't guide our species based on the imaginary rights of an animal that we've bred for hundreds of years to kill and eat.

[Dyakovo]

Gestin, You gave no logical explanation of why cows have no rights. By your logic, it would be ok to cut the leg of a cow, then not treat it, then cut another, etc, until it's dead.

Cows don't have rights because they're cows. That's my point. They're not human beings, they're animals. A human being is capable of higher thought processes than a cow, whereas a cow only eats, shits, and then eats again. A cow can't converse, a cow can't even comprehend the fact that it even is a cow. Human genocide wouldn't be justified, but we've been committing the equivalent of a holocaust against cows for hundreds of years. They're bred and born to be slaughtered, humans aren't. That's my point. If an animal is produced simply for the sake of killing and consumption, then it doesn't deserve the same rights as the more intelligent animal which allowed it to produce.

tl;dr

Cows are bred to be killed, humans aren't. If anything, the killing of the two cows was a waste of food that could have been packaged, processed, and sold to the general public.

Humans are also animals...

[Geilinor]

I don't care about Bundy losing his investment. He brought this on himself.

No he didn't. He was trying to feed his family, should they have to pay for his mistakes (really, it's the government's fault)

He could have paid to use the land or taken his cows off the land.

[Dyakovo]

How is it Americans have "evolved" beyond the rest of the world?

Does NSG normally misconstrue a point this hard?

Honestly? Yes.

[Neutraligon]

How is it Americans have "evolved" beyond the rest of the world?

Does NSG normally misconstrue a point this hard?

That wasn't a political statement, that was me pointing out that cattle are dumber than humans and bred for consumption, not that Americans are better than another country.

Americans are humans, Chinese are humans, Russians are humans, English people are humans.

Cows are not Humans.

We made it up the evolutionary ladder before them and every other species on the planet, we are the top of the food chain. Ergo, we can do whatever we please with the planet. We shouldn't guide our species based on the imaginary rights of an animal that we've bred for hundreds of years to kill and eat.

Did I say anything about cows? I asked a person how is it Americans have evolved beyond other humans in the world, not how cows and humans differ. I have no problem treating cows as different from humans.

[Death Metal]

We made it up the evolutionary ladder before them and every other species on the planet, we are the top of the food chain.

Wrong on both counts.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Bundy has issued warrants for the arrest and execution of the BLM agents responsible.
Posted on storm front.

Brilliant.

[New Grestin]

Cows don't have rights because they're cows. That's my point. They're not human beings, they're animals. A human being is capable of higher thought processes than a cow, whereas a cow only eats, shits, and then eats again. A cow can't converse, a cow can't even comprehend the fact that it even is a cow. Human genocide wouldn't be justified, but we've been committing the equivalent of a holocaust against cows for hundreds of years. They're bred and born to be slaughtered, humans aren't. That's my point. If an animal is produced simply for the sake of killing and consumption, then it doesn't deserve the same rights as the more intelligent animal which allowed it to produce.

tl;dr

Cows are bred to be killed, humans aren't. If anything, the killing of the two cows was a waste of food that could have been packaged, processed, and sold to the general public.

Humans are also animals...

Humans are smarter animals, or at the very least, more efficient animals.

My point being that you can't operate a society based on what you think an animal thinks. That's just dumb.

If dolphins or octupi or lizard people ruled the world, then they'd do the exact same to us.

But, hey, yeah, why don't we just run our entire civilization with absolute compassion towards creatures that would kill us given enough time. Yeah, that's a fantastic idea.

[Death Metal]

If dolphins or octupi or lizard people ruled the world, then they'd do the exact same to us.

Logical absurdity with no basis in fact.

[Cannot think of a name]

Here's some more context.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... nch-stand/

The simmering truce between the Bundys and the Bureau of Land Management comes after high-profile raids last year by armed federal agents on small-time gold miners in tiny Chicken, Alaska, and guitar makers at the Gibson Guitar facilities in Tennessee.

That doesn’t include more subtle threats, such as recent efforts by the Obama administration to raise grazing fees or pressure permit holders to transfer their water rights as a condition of renewal, said Ryan Yates, director of congressional relations for the American Farm Bureau.

That's context absent context. We are left to infer that there is a correlation between this man and his twenty year "You're not the boss of me" stand off and the issue of Gibson Guitars using rosewood illegally cut from Madagascar in defiance of the Lacey Act. What do the two have to do with one another? It's like saying all of these arrests in a crime riddled neighborhood is a power grab.

The Gibson issue was one I knew about, the Chicken, Alaska one was not. When I looked it up, the bulk of the reporting was from the Usual Suspects, most of which make up what the OP tried to pass as sources, the one local source reveals that the whole tempest in a teapot is over officials showing up for an inspection armed with eight whole people. While (just from the one article I can find that isn't from a sensationalist source) I kind of agree that it seems like overkill, it hardly seems like a harbinger of doom, nor does it shed any light whatsoever on the Bundy situation.

And that's what happens when your context lacks context. Absent it, we're left to infer it's part of a pattern. But when you look into it, there appears to be no more connection to this story than a Family Guy cut away does.