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Postby Lelouche » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:28 pm

UAWC wrote:
Zoharland wrote:
Cybach wrote:They're getting all sort of heat and bullying from the US about their alleged uranium enrichment program.


Yeah, how horrible for the US to try to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of those anti-semitic fundie psychopaths. We are so horrible. :roll:


But it's their nukes, not yours. You're not the world police. It's none of your business.




ever since WWII we haven't seen it that way
in fact just the opposite

Interventionist Police Action is the cornerstone of our national foreign policy
We can't let dangerous rogue regimes, wield such awesome power, because they will use it against us

Sending a fruit basket is a nice gesture, but wholly unrealistic
Gun control is for wimps and commies.

Let's get one thing straight: guns don't kill people.... I do.

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Postby Namabia » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:30 pm

Lelouche wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Zoharland wrote:
Cybach wrote:They're getting all sort of heat and bullying from the US about their alleged uranium enrichment program.


Yeah, how horrible for the US to try to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of those anti-semitic fundie psychopaths. We are so horrible. :roll:


But it's their nukes, not yours. You're not the world police. It's none of your business.




ever since WWII we haven't seen it that way
in fact just the opposite

Interventionist Police Action is the cornerstone of our national foreign policy
We can't let dangerous rogue regimes, wield such awesome power, because they will use it against us

Sending a fruit basket is a nice gesture, but wholly unrealistic


Lets see oh yes! Iran already said they would Nuke ISRAEL! And your wondering why the 6 World Superpowers are trying to get Iran out of there nuclear program?
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Postby Uawc » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:30 pm

Lelouche wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Zoharland wrote:
Cybach wrote:They're getting all sort of heat and bullying from the US about their alleged uranium enrichment program.


Yeah, how horrible for the US to try to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of those anti-semitic fundie psychopaths. We are so horrible. :roll:


But it's their nukes, not yours. You're not the world police. It's none of your business.




ever since WWII we haven't seen it that way
in fact just the opposite

Interventionist Police Action is the cornerstone of our national foreign policy
We can't let dangerous rogue regimes, wield such awesome power, because they will use it against us

Sending a fruit basket is a nice gesture, but wholly unrealistic


If they're going to use it, it's because you're giving them reason to. Stop dicking around in everyone else's business and they'll leave you alone too. Just look at Sweden and all of those countries. In fact, their foreign policies are similar to what I describe, and they're doing really well for themselves.
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Postby Reijvajik » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:30 pm

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Postby SD_Film Artists » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:31 pm

Khybero wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Call of Duty. You take your knowledge of how this will work out from Call of motherfreaking Duty. :palm:

I don't think I should have to say much more about this.


Your missing the point, what I'm pointing out is Iran's no where near as stable as the present holders of nuclear weapons; the country's security is too volatile, this year we've probably come within a week of a counter revolution that was averted by the Iranian police, if Iran has nuclear weapons and the police fail to stop a counter revolution the weapons could fall into anyone's hands.

I was simply pointing out Call of Duty as the example of a 'what if' scenario.


Khybero wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Call of Duty. You take your knowledge of how this will work out from Call of motherfreaking Duty. :palm:

I don't think I should have to say much more about this.


Your missing the point, what I'm pointing out is Iran's no where near as stable as the present holders of nuclear weapons; the country's security is too volatile, this year we've probably come within a week of a counter revolution that was averted by the Iranian police, if Iran has nuclear weapons and the police fail to stop a counter revolution the weapons could fall into anyone's hands.

I was simply pointing out Call of Duty as the example of a 'what if' scenario.


Déjà vu time? :blink:
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Postby Idealistic Realist » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:34 pm

( warning the following contains sarcasm )
It may be that the world would of been a better place if in the late 40's or early 50's the USA had used "the H bomb"?
A nuke war would of been much less destructive then.
Heck, the cancer rate may of settled down by now.
Look War of any kind is bad, but some times it is better than the alternative.
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It is over and done fast with little disruption to the life of the populace.
The only way for lasting please is for the cost to be so high no one wants it to go on.
Fast war leaves the will to hate intact.
Hate = no lasting peace.
Let them have the bomb; but, let them know that : if any of their design is used then it will be as if Persia had never been.
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Postby Separatist Stoklomolvi » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:36 pm

EvilDarkMagicians wrote:What I find even more funny is that USA think they can tell people not have nuclear bombs, when they have they have some. :palm:


And what might be the reason we don't want them to have nukes?

Hmm, this is such an agonizing question. Maybe because they're an unstable, terrorist-breeding dictatorship, that harbors hatred for every western nation?

No, that can't be it. Sure it's factual, but the left-wing denounces facts, so it can't possibly be true.

I mean, the Iranian "president" said the Holocaust wasn't real. If he said it, and millions of Jews, Allied soldiers, captured SS, and photographs say otherwise, it's obviously a hoax to make Nazis look bad.

[/sarcasm]

:palm: Get real guys.
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Postby Lelouche » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:36 pm

UAWC wrote:
Lelouche wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Zoharland wrote:
Cybach wrote:They're getting all sort of heat and bullying from the US about their alleged uranium enrichment program.


Yeah, how horrible for the US to try to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of those anti-semitic fundie psychopaths. We are so horrible. :roll:


But it's their nukes, not yours. You're not the world police. It's none of your business.




ever since WWII we haven't seen it that way
in fact just the opposite

Interventionist Police Action is the cornerstone of our national foreign policy
We can't let dangerous rogue regimes, wield such awesome power, because they will use it against us

Sending a fruit basket is a nice gesture, but wholly unrealistic


If they're going to use it, it's because you're giving them reason to. Stop dicking around in everyone else's business and they'll leave you alone too. Just look at Sweden and all of those countries. In fact, their foreign policies are similar to what I describe, and they're doing really well for themselves.


The reason countries like Sweden can have Non-Interventionist policies and be successful is because America is busy defending the world from rogue regimes that would possibly destroy Sweden given half a chance.

American bleeds, so that Europe can live in peace. they should be thanking us.

in a world where everyone "Minded their own business" it would take only one country to go ahead and start shit with ever other country

in fact WWII is a prime example of letting every country "do whatever they want" eventually we had to step in, because it came to our door-step

and we had to "Police the World" as it were.
Gun control is for wimps and commies.

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Postby Separatist Stoklomolvi » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:41 pm

Lelouche wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Lelouche wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Zoharland wrote:
Cybach wrote:They're getting all sort of heat and bullying from the US about their alleged uranium enrichment program.


Yeah, how horrible for the US to try to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of those anti-semitic fundie psychopaths. We are so horrible. :roll:


But it's their nukes, not yours. You're not the world police. It's none of your business.




ever since WWII we haven't seen it that way
in fact just the opposite

Interventionist Police Action is the cornerstone of our national foreign policy
We can't let dangerous rogue regimes, wield such awesome power, because they will use it against us

Sending a fruit basket is a nice gesture, but wholly unrealistic


If they're going to use it, it's because you're giving them reason to. Stop dicking around in everyone else's business and they'll leave you alone too. Just look at Sweden and all of those countries. In fact, their foreign policies are similar to what I describe, and they're doing really well for themselves.

The reason countries like Sweden can have Non-Interventionist policies and be successful is because America is busy defending the world from rogue regimes that would possibly destroy Sweden given half a chance.

American bleeds, so that Europe can live in peace. they should be thanking us.

in a world where everyone "Minded their own business" it would take only one country to go ahead and start shit with ever other country

in fact WWII is a prime example of letting every country "do whatever they want" eventually we had to step in, because it came to our door-step

and we had to "Police the World" as it were.


This.

We weren't going to be involved in 1914 when all that shit in Europe started, and what happened?

World War One.

We weren't going to be involved in 1939 when all that shit in Europe started, and what happened?

World War Two

We need to "Police the World" because every time we should have, and haven't, a frikin' World War starts and millions of people die.
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Postby EvilDarkMagicians » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:50 pm

Separatist Stoklomolvi wrote:
Lelouche wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Lelouche wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Zoharland wrote:
Cybach wrote:They're getting all sort of heat and bullying from the US about their alleged uranium enrichment program.


Yeah, how horrible for the US to try to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of those anti-semitic fundie psychopaths. We are so horrible. :roll:


But it's their nukes, not yours. You're not the world police. It's none of your business.




ever since WWII we haven't seen it that way
in fact just the opposite

Interventionist Police Action is the cornerstone of our national foreign policy
We can't let dangerous rogue regimes, wield such awesome power, because they will use it against us

Sending a fruit basket is a nice gesture, but wholly unrealistic


If they're going to use it, it's because you're giving them reason to. Stop dicking around in everyone else's business and they'll leave you alone too. Just look at Sweden and all of those countries. In fact, their foreign policies are similar to what I describe, and they're doing really well for themselves.

The reason countries like Sweden can have Non-Interventionist policies and be successful is because America is busy defending the world from rogue regimes that would possibly destroy Sweden given half a chance.

American bleeds, so that Europe can live in peace. they should be thanking us.

in a world where everyone "Minded their own business" it would take only one country to go ahead and start shit with ever other country

in fact WWII is a prime example of letting every country "do whatever they want" eventually we had to step in, because it came to our door-step

and we had to "Police the World" as it were.


This.

We weren't going to be involved in 1914 when all that shit in Europe started, and what happened?

World War One.

We weren't going to be involved in 1939 when all that shit in Europe started, and what happened?

World War Two

We need to "Police the World" because every time we should have, and haven't, a frikin' World War starts and millions of people die.


I think you need to read up about the world wars before you say that sort of stuff. ;)

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Postby Resolute Prime » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:52 pm

Separatist Stoklomolvi wrote:
Lelouche wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Lelouche wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Zoharland wrote:
Cybach wrote:They're getting all sort of heat and bullying from the US about their alleged uranium enrichment program.


Yeah, how horrible for the US to try to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of those anti-semitic fundie psychopaths. We are so horrible. :roll:


But it's their nukes, not yours. You're not the world police. It's none of your business.




ever since WWII we haven't seen it that way
in fact just the opposite

Interventionist Police Action is the cornerstone of our national foreign policy
We can't let dangerous rogue regimes, wield such awesome power, because they will use it against us

Sending a fruit basket is a nice gesture, but wholly unrealistic


If they're going to use it, it's because you're giving them reason to. Stop dicking around in everyone else's business and they'll leave you alone too. Just look at Sweden and all of those countries. In fact, their foreign policies are similar to what I describe, and they're doing really well for themselves.

The reason countries like Sweden can have Non-Interventionist policies and be successful is because America is busy defending the world from rogue regimes that would possibly destroy Sweden given half a chance.

American bleeds, so that Europe can live in peace. they should be thanking us.

in a world where everyone "Minded their own business" it would take only one country to go ahead and start shit with ever other country

in fact WWII is a prime example of letting every country "do whatever they want" eventually we had to step in, because it came to our door-step

and we had to "Police the World" as it were.


This.

We weren't going to be involved in 1914 when all that shit in Europe started, and what happened?

World War One.

We weren't going to be involved in 1939 when all that shit in Europe started, and what happened?

World War Two

We need to "Police the World" because every time we should have, and haven't, a frikin' World War starts and millions of people die.


Granted. But we *do* have the UN. and none of those times featured anything like the UN. Now if only it wasn't so damn useless...

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Postby East Canuck » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:55 pm

Honsetly, having Iran with a nuke is maybe the best thing that could ahppen to that corner of the world. It would stop Israel expansionism, force Israel and Palestine to sit at the table and hammer out a deal.

With these things happening, resentment for the western world would lower and terrorists would be hard-pressed to find new recruits and source of money.

MAD has worked for Russia and the USA. MAD is working with Pakistan and India. MAD would work with Iran and Israel.

Those who think Amhenidjad is weilding real power in Iran are delusionnal. The real power in Iran is anything but unstable, trigger-happy or stupid. They have too much to loose. There is no credible evidence that Iran would use their nuke. Those who say so are the delusionnal lot.

Yes, I'm willing to bet my life on it.

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Postby Lelouche » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:56 pm

EvilDarkMagicians wrote:
Separatist Stoklomolvi wrote:
Lelouche wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Lelouche wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Zoharland wrote:
Cybach wrote:They're getting all sort of heat and bullying from the US about their alleged uranium enrichment program.


Yeah, how horrible for the US to try to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of those anti-semitic fundie psychopaths. We are so horrible. :roll:


But it's their nukes, not yours. You're not the world police. It's none of your business.




ever since WWII we haven't seen it that way
in fact just the opposite

Interventionist Police Action is the cornerstone of our national foreign policy
We can't let dangerous rogue regimes, wield such awesome power, because they will use it against us

Sending a fruit basket is a nice gesture, but wholly unrealistic


If they're going to use it, it's because you're giving them reason to. Stop dicking around in everyone else's business and they'll leave you alone too. Just look at Sweden and all of those countries. In fact, their foreign policies are similar to what I describe, and they're doing really well for themselves.

The reason countries like Sweden can have Non-Interventionist policies and be successful is because America is busy defending the world from rogue regimes that would possibly destroy Sweden given half a chance.

American bleeds, so that Europe can live in peace. they should be thanking us.

in a world where everyone "Minded their own business" it would take only one country to go ahead and start shit with ever other country

in fact WWII is a prime example of letting every country "do whatever they want" eventually we had to step in, because it came to our door-step

and we had to "Police the World" as it were.


This.

We weren't going to be involved in 1914 when all that shit in Europe started, and what happened?

World War One.

We weren't going to be involved in 1939 when all that shit in Europe started, and what happened?

World War Two

We need to "Police the World" because every time we should have, and haven't, a frikin' World War starts and millions of people die.


I think you need to read up about the world wars before you say that sort of stuff. ;)


nah, he's accurate

If America were to pull a Swiss like UAWC want's us to do, we would never have sent arms and material to Britain, Japan wouldn't have attacked Pearl Harbor, and America would continue to sit and watch as German and Japan swallowed more and more territory .

I can make all sorts of what if's based on this scenario, but long story short, the war would have been longer and more bloody, and the outcome would be far from desirable.
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Postby EvilDarkMagicians » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:56 pm

East Canuck wrote:Honsetly, having Iran with a nuke is maybe the best thing that could ahppen to that corner of the world. It would stop Israel expansionism, force Israel and Palestine to sit at the table and hammer out a deal.

With these things happening, resentment for the western world would lower and terrorists would be hard-pressed to find new recruits and source of money.

MAD has worked for Russia and the USA. MAD is working with Pakistan and India. MAD would work with Iran and Israel.

Those who think Amhenidjad is weilding real power in Iran are delusionnal. The real power in Iran is anything but unstable, trigger-happy or stupid. They have too much to loose. There is no credible evidence that Iran would use their nuke. Those who say so are the delusionnal lot.

Yes, I'm willing to bet my life on it.


^I'm seriously thinking this.

Every country should have a nuclear deterrent or none at all.

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Postby Teccor » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:57 pm

EvilDarkMagicians wrote:
Separatist Stoklomolvi wrote:
Lelouche wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Lelouche wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Zoharland wrote:
Cybach wrote:They're getting all sort of heat and bullying from the US about their alleged uranium enrichment program.


Yeah, how horrible for the US to try to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of those anti-semitic fundie psychopaths. We are so horrible. :roll:


But it's their nukes, not yours. You're not the world police. It's none of your business.




ever since WWII we haven't seen it that way
in fact just the opposite

Interventionist Police Action is the cornerstone of our national foreign policy
We can't let dangerous rogue regimes, wield such awesome power, because they will use it against us

Sending a fruit basket is a nice gesture, but wholly unrealistic


If they're going to use it, it's because you're giving them reason to. Stop dicking around in everyone else's business and they'll leave you alone too. Just look at Sweden and all of those countries. In fact, their foreign policies are similar to what I describe, and they're doing really well for themselves.

The reason countries like Sweden can have Non-Interventionist policies and be successful is because America is busy defending the world from rogue regimes that would possibly destroy Sweden given half a chance.

American bleeds, so that Europe can live in peace. they should be thanking us.

in a world where everyone "Minded their own business" it would take only one country to go ahead and start shit with ever other country

in fact WWII is a prime example of letting every country "do whatever they want" eventually we had to step in, because it came to our door-step

and we had to "Police the World" as it were.


This.

We weren't going to be involved in 1914 when all that shit in Europe started, and what happened?

World War One.

We weren't going to be involved in 1939 when all that shit in Europe started, and what happened?

World War Two

We need to "Police the World" because every time we should have, and haven't, a frikin' World War starts and millions of people die.

I think you need to read up about the world wars before you say that sort of stuff. ;)


Sounds like a "He's wrong because I say so" argument. Reading back over the post, it seems that he's saying that A always occurs after B simply because A preceded B.

While this is untrue, I personally think he's right in saying that the world wars, to an extent, could have been nerfed if the U.S. had been involved earlier than it was.

Both times, we tried to stay out, and we were attacked both times. The Lusitania the first time and Pearl Harbor the second.

Those Europeans need to stop being so hypocritical about the U.S. starting wars considering they've been slaughtering each other since the dawn of time. :eyebrow:
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Postby Station 12 » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:58 pm

WW2, yes, we did fuck up by not doing anything. But WW1? Really? The end of WW1 pretty much caused WW2 because we were trying to take power that we didn't have into our own hands (AKA The Goddamn Treaty of Versailles)

At the same time, a few nations over there are kind of pissed at us for, basically, fucking up. If they've got, or could get, nuclear weapons, we should probably be doing something about that.
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Postby Zoharland » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:59 pm

EvilDarkMagicians wrote:
Zoharland wrote:
Cybach wrote:They're getting all sort of heat and bullying from the US about their alleged uranium enrichment program.


Yeah, how horrible for the US to try to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of those anti-semitic fundie psychopaths. We are so horrible. :roll:


Exactly, the USA won't ever fire a nuclear bomb, because they're perfectly sane government.

Oh wait..... :palm:


Nah, you're right. We aren't perfect.

But we are sane. Thats more than I can say for the government that runs Iran, or the company they keep. I certainly don't want anti-western terrorist having access to nuclear weapons.

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Postby Teccor » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:59 pm

Lelouche wrote:
EvilDarkMagicians wrote:
Separatist Stoklomolvi wrote:
Lelouche wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Lelouche wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Zoharland wrote:
Cybach wrote:They're getting all sort of heat and bullying from the US about their alleged uranium enrichment program.


Yeah, how horrible for the US to try to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of those anti-semitic fundie psychopaths. We are so horrible. :roll:


But it's their nukes, not yours. You're not the world police. It's none of your business.




ever since WWII we haven't seen it that way
in fact just the opposite

Interventionist Police Action is the cornerstone of our national foreign policy
We can't let dangerous rogue regimes, wield such awesome power, because they will use it against us

Sending a fruit basket is a nice gesture, but wholly unrealistic


If they're going to use it, it's because you're giving them reason to. Stop dicking around in everyone else's business and they'll leave you alone too. Just look at Sweden and all of those countries. In fact, their foreign policies are similar to what I describe, and they're doing really well for themselves.

The reason countries like Sweden can have Non-Interventionist policies and be successful is because America is busy defending the world from rogue regimes that would possibly destroy Sweden given half a chance.

American bleeds, so that Europe can live in peace. they should be thanking us.

in a world where everyone "Minded their own business" it would take only one country to go ahead and start shit with ever other country

in fact WWII is a prime example of letting every country "do whatever they want" eventually we had to step in, because it came to our door-step

and we had to "Police the World" as it were.


This.

We weren't going to be involved in 1914 when all that shit in Europe started, and what happened?

World War One.

We weren't going to be involved in 1939 when all that shit in Europe started, and what happened?

World War Two

We need to "Police the World" because every time we should have, and haven't, a frikin' World War starts and millions of people die.


I think you need to read up about the world wars before you say that sort of stuff. ;)

nah, he's accurate

If America were to pull a Swiss like UAWC want's us to do, we would never have sent arms and material to Britain, Japan wouldn't have attacked Pearl Harbor, and America would continue to sit and watch as German and Japan swallowed more and more territory .

I can make all sorts of what if's based on this scenario, but long story short, the war would have been longer and more bloody, and the outcome would be far from desirable.


If we had moved any later than we did, there's really only two possible outcomes:

1. We win the war, but lose millions more lives in the process.

2. We lose to the Almighty Axis Empire. I really don't want to think about what would happen after that. :?
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Postby Station 12 » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:03 pm

Lelouche wrote:If America were to pull a Swiss like UAWC want's us to do, we would never have sent arms and material to Britain, Japan wouldn't have attacked Pearl Harbor, and America would continue to sit and watch as German and Japan swallowed more and more territory .

You forgot to mention the part where you sold weapons and supplies to both sides of the war before you decided "Hey, maybe letting the dictator win is a BAD thing!"

But, I really do not want to start the Britain vs America during war argument again, because if either of us stopped fighting during WW2 we'd both be screwed, and there's no point arguing about a past that I doubt any of us were alive for. It's better to concentrate on the now.

The now being the threat of nukes and such.
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Postby Lelouche » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:03 pm

Teccor wrote:
Lelouche wrote:
EvilDarkMagicians wrote:
Separatist Stoklomolvi wrote:
Lelouche wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Lelouche wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Zoharland wrote:
Cybach wrote:They're getting all sort of heat and bullying from the US about their alleged uranium enrichment program.


Yeah, how horrible for the US to try to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of those anti-semitic fundie psychopaths. We are so horrible. :roll:


But it's their nukes, not yours. You're not the world police. It's none of your business.




ever since WWII we haven't seen it that way
in fact just the opposite

Interventionist Police Action is the cornerstone of our national foreign policy
We can't let dangerous rogue regimes, wield such awesome power, because they will use it against us

Sending a fruit basket is a nice gesture, but wholly unrealistic


If they're going to use it, it's because you're giving them reason to. Stop dicking around in everyone else's business and they'll leave you alone too. Just look at Sweden and all of those countries. In fact, their foreign policies are similar to what I describe, and they're doing really well for themselves.

The reason countries like Sweden can have Non-Interventionist policies and be successful is because America is busy defending the world from rogue regimes that would possibly destroy Sweden given half a chance.

American bleeds, so that Europe can live in peace. they should be thanking us.

in a world where everyone "Minded their own business" it would take only one country to go ahead and start shit with ever other country

in fact WWII is a prime example of letting every country "do whatever they want" eventually we had to step in, because it came to our door-step

and we had to "Police the World" as it were.


This.

We weren't going to be involved in 1914 when all that shit in Europe started, and what happened?

World War One.

We weren't going to be involved in 1939 when all that shit in Europe started, and what happened?

World War Two

We need to "Police the World" because every time we should have, and haven't, a frikin' World War starts and millions of people die.


I think you need to read up about the world wars before you say that sort of stuff. ;)

nah, he's accurate

If America were to pull a Swiss like UAWC want's us to do, we would never have sent arms and material to Britain, Japan wouldn't have attacked Pearl Harbor, and America would continue to sit and watch as German and Japan swallowed more and more territory .

I can make all sorts of what if's based on this scenario, but long story short, the war would have been longer and more bloody, and the outcome would be far from desirable.


If we had moved any later than we did, there's really only two possible outcomes:

1. We win the war, but lose millions more lives in the process.

2. We lose to the Almighty Axis Empire. I really don't want to think about what would happen after that. :?


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Postby Zoharland » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:03 pm

East Canuck wrote:Honsetly, having Iran with a nuke is maybe the best thing that could ahppen to that corner of the world. It would stop Israel expansionism, force Israel and Palestine to sit at the table and hammer out a deal.

With these things happening, resentment for the western world would lower and terrorists would be hard-pressed to find new recruits and source of money.

MAD has worked for Russia and the USA. MAD is working with Pakistan and India. MAD would work with Iran and Israel.

Those who think Amhenidjad is weilding real power in Iran are delusionnal. The real power in Iran is anything but unstable, trigger-happy or stupid. They have too much to loose. There is no credible evidence that Iran would use their nuke. Those who say so are the delusionnal lot.

Yes, I'm willing to bet my life on it.


1) I'm not entirely sure Israel ever would let Iran have nukes.

2) Iran having nukes changes the mistrust between the mid-east and the west how? Magic!??

3) MAD came awfully close to ending the modern world a couple of times. Off the top of my head, cuban missile crisis. Just because it worked maybe a few times doesn't mean it will work always. And with nuclear weapons, i'd rather not take the risk that it won't.

4) Still, all the same to you, I'd rather Iran nukeless, at least whilst its a tin-pot fundie dictatorship.

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Postby East Canuck » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:03 pm

Teccor wrote:Sounds like a "He's wrong because I say so" argument. Reading back over the post, it seems that he's saying that A always occurs after B simply because A preceded B.

While this is untrue, I personally think he's right in saying that the world wars, to an extent, could have been nerfed if the U.S. had been involved earlier than it was.

Both times, we tried to stay out, and we were attacked both times. The Lusitania the first time and Pearl Harbor the second.

Those Europeans need to stop being so hypocritical about the U.S. starting wars considering they've been slaughtering each other since the dawn of time. :eyebrow:

That is a bold faced lie. Both time you were busy selling goods to anyone who could pay on both sides of the war until you intervened on one side. In both world war, the USA was anything but neutral.

But you ended up on our side so we don't hold it against you :)

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Postby EvilDarkMagicians » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:05 pm

Lelouche wrote:
EvilDarkMagicians wrote:
Separatist Stoklomolvi wrote:
Lelouche wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Lelouche wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Zoharland wrote:
Cybach wrote:They're getting all sort of heat and bullying from the US about their alleged uranium enrichment program.


Yeah, how horrible for the US to try to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of those anti-semitic fundie psychopaths. We are so horrible. :roll:


But it's their nukes, not yours. You're not the world police. It's none of your business.




ever since WWII we haven't seen it that way
in fact just the opposite

Interventionist Police Action is the cornerstone of our national foreign policy
We can't let dangerous rogue regimes, wield such awesome power, because they will use it against us

Sending a fruit basket is a nice gesture, but wholly unrealistic


If they're going to use it, it's because you're giving them reason to. Stop dicking around in everyone else's business and they'll leave you alone too. Just look at Sweden and all of those countries. In fact, their foreign policies are similar to what I describe, and they're doing really well for themselves.

The reason countries like Sweden can have Non-Interventionist policies and be successful is because America is busy defending the world from rogue regimes that would possibly destroy Sweden given half a chance.

American bleeds, so that Europe can live in peace. they should be thanking us.

in a world where everyone "Minded their own business" it would take only one country to go ahead and start shit with ever other country

in fact WWII is a prime example of letting every country "do whatever they want" eventually we had to step in, because it came to our door-step

and we had to "Police the World" as it were.


This.

We weren't going to be involved in 1914 when all that shit in Europe started, and what happened?

World War One.

We weren't going to be involved in 1939 when all that shit in Europe started, and what happened?

World War Two

We need to "Police the World" because every time we should have, and haven't, a frikin' World War starts and millions of people die.


I think you need to read up about the world wars before you say that sort of stuff. ;)


nah, he's accurate

If America were to pull a Swiss like UAWC want's us to do, we would never have sent arms and material to Britain, Japan wouldn't have attacked Pearl Harbor, and America would continue to sit and watch as German and Japan swallowed more and more territory .

I can make all sorts of what if's based on this scenario, but long story short, the war would have been longer and more bloody, and the outcome would be far from desirable.


Yes, but we asked for Americas help that time. ;)
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Postby Zoharland » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:05 pm

UAWC wrote:
Zoharland wrote:
Cybach wrote:They're getting all sort of heat and bullying from the US about their alleged uranium enrichment program.


Yeah, how horrible for the US to try to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of those anti-semitic fundie psychopaths. We are so horrible. :roll:


But it's their nukes, not yours. You're not the world police. It's none of your business.


When the Iranians threaten and belittle our allies in the mid-east (Israel), it becomes our business.

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Postby Gauthier » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:05 pm

Khybero wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Call of Duty. You take your knowledge of how this will work out from Call of motherfreaking Duty. :palm:

I don't think I should have to say much more about this.


Your missing the point, what I'm pointing out is Iran's no where near as stable as the present holders of nuclear weapons; the country's security is too volatile, this year we've probably come within a week of a counter revolution that was averted by the Iranian police, if Iran has nuclear weapons and the police fail to stop a counter revolution the weapons could fall into anyone's hands.

I was simply pointing out Call of Duty as the example of a 'what if' scenario.


Not as stable as say... Pakistan?
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