Iran is trolling the US

[United Dependencies]

Wait. I said pearl harbour? That was stupid, apologies for my stupid. I meant Hiroshima.

Which still does not explain why anyone in the US is going to decide to use a nuclear weapon one day.

[Station 12]

It's just the fact that some people in this thread seem to be convinced that America is a perfect place that would never resort to such barbaric tactics to win a war, when they have. And I recall a post earlier on actually recommending it (though I may be remembering incorrectly.)

[Buffett and Colbert]

If Iran is Trolling, then wouldn't that make the US guilty of Flamebait?

Totally sigged.

[Lelouche]

It's just the fact that some people in this thread seem to be convinced that America is a perfect place that would never resort to such barbaric tactics to win a war, when they have. And I recall a post earlier on actually recommending it (though I may be remembering incorrectly.)

it's a piss poor argument

do our leaders threaten it? no
and we are much more stable than Iran

Iran's leader's promise it.
and they almost had a popular rebellion this year.

[Buffett and Colbert]

What I find even more funny is that USA think they can tell people not have nuclear bombs, when they have they have some.

Oh, I'm sorry. I'll be sure to let every hatred-inciting violence-provoking crackpot country to have all the nukes it wants in the future.

Because America wouldn't drop a nuclear bomb would they?

Uh yea we wouldn't.

COUGH Pearl Harbour COUGHCOUGH

Would you mind explaining what you mean?

Fail.

Perhaps I am missing something here. I have no idea why Pearl Harbor has anything to do with why America would never drop a nuclear bomb.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki

Then you say "*Cough cough* Hiroshima" or "*cough cough* Nagasaki." Pearl harbour was not a defining factor in their bombing. And either way, your argument means nothing since that was over eighty years ago in the face of a world war. I don't condone the action; I despise it. But it has no bearing on this conversation.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

If Iran is Trolling, then wouldn't that make the US guilty of Flamebait?

Totally sigged.

I have never seen a quote been sigged so many times in one thread.

[Station 12]

Then you say "*Cough cough* Hiroshima" or "*cough cough* Nagasaki." Pearl harbour was not a defining factor in their bombing. And either way, your argument means nothing since that was over eighty years ago in the face of a world war. I don't condone the action; I despise it. But it has no bearing on this conversation.

I already admitted to making a mistake, don't pull it up after I've already noticed it and apologised.

[Ardchoille]

Do you guys want the limits on quotes put back? Cut out the quote pyramids.

[Narodna Odbrana]

And so all those centuries of "No world wars" which predate the founding of the USA were...?

You mean all those centuries where England, France, Holland, and Spain lived in complete peace and harmony with one another, never funding terrorist pirate attacks on each other, never fighting wars on three continents at once over each others' colonial possessions, never paying proxies in faraway places like India, Asia, or the Americas to fight their dirty little colonial wars?

Yes, what a land of sweetness and light the world was before America ruined it all in 1776. 'Twas the Garden of Eden, and we Americans are the Great Satan Serpent who wrecked it.

Learn history FTW. If a war was fought in the Indian Ocean, the Pacific, the Carribean, and Europe all at once, it was a World War. By my count, France and Britain fought three such wars in the 18th Century alone.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

Do you guys want the limits on quotes put back?

Honestly yes.

[Lelouche]

And so all those centuries of "No world wars" which predate the founding of the USA were...?

You mean all those centuries where England, France, Holland, and Spain lived in complete peace and harmony with one another, never funding terrorist pirate attacks on each other, never fighting wars on three continents at once over each others' colonial possessions, never paying proxies in faraway places like India, Asia, or the Americas to fight their dirty little colonial wars?

Yes, what a land of sweetness and light the world was before America ruined it all in 1776. 'Twas the Garden of Eden, and we Americans are the Great Satan Serpent who wrecked it.

Learn history FTW. If a war was fought in the Indian Ocean, the Pacific, the Carribean, and Europe all at once, it was a World War. By my count, France and Britain fought three such wars in the 18th Century alone.

History pawn

[EvilDarkMagicians]

You don't have to ask, a good friend provides assistance, even before you realize you need it

Iran isn't your 'good friend' or hardly your friend at all.

furthermore, we believe we know what is best for you, and the world.

And why is this?

We are doing the whole "Trust your big brother, we wouldn't let you down" thing.

Again, Iran doesn't exactly have the friendliest relations with you. Why the hell would they trust any western nation.

[Lelouche]

You don't have to ask, a good friend provides assistance, even before you realize you need it

Iran isn't your 'good friend' or hardly your friend at all.

furthermore, we believe we know what is best for you, and the world.

And why is this?

We are doing the whole "Trust your big brother, we wouldn't let you down" thing.

Again, Iran doesn't exactly have the friendliest relations with you. Why the hell would they trust any western nation.

Iran is that dangerous Criminal kid, that we tell you stay away from, but you just won't listen

eventually he'll do something to you, or get you to do something for him, but it'll hurt you
in which case we'll be there to rescue you
that is what family is for.

[Lackadaisical2]

You don't have to ask, a good friend provides assistance, even before you realize you need it

Iran isn't your 'good friend' or hardly your friend at all.

furthermore, we believe we know what is best for you, and the world.

And why is this?

We are doing the whole "Trust your big brother, we wouldn't let you down" thing.

Again, Iran doesn't exactly have the friendliest relations with you. Why the hell would they trust any western nation.

Friend was clearly referring to Europe, not Iran. As for why we might think we know whats better, I guess because we're a super power, so we must be doing something right.

[Pevisopolis]

If Iran is Trolling, then wouldn't that make the US guilty of Flamebait?

Totally sigged.

I have never seen a quote been sigged so many times in one thread.

Maybe posting in Debates while high is a good thing.

[Wikipedia and Universe]

If Iran is Trolling, then wouldn't that make the US guilty of Flamebait?

The exact reason why internet forum terms should not be mixed with RL international politics.

[Uawc]

If Iran is Trolling, then wouldn't that make the US guilty of Flamebait?

The exact reason why internet forum terms should not be mixed with RL international politics.

...But it's true. In fact, the very definition of U.S. foreign policy is flamebait.

[Allbeama]

I'm wondering how we report this to a moderator?

either way, this is...unacceptable

Clinton would be bombing something by now
Bush would be Invading something
Obama will be......talking it out?

To be honest I think it's nice that America finally has a president who desn't think 'middle east....BOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!'

It is refreshing, but so is BOOOOOOOM once in a while.

[Devonshire County]

You don't have to ask, a good friend provides assistance, even before you realize you need it

Iran isn't your 'good friend' or hardly your friend at all.

furthermore, we believe we know what is best for you, and the world.

And why is this?

We are doing the whole "Trust your big brother, we wouldn't let you down" thing.

Again, Iran doesn't exactly have the friendliest relations with you. Why the hell would they trust any western nation.

Friend was clearly referring to Europe, not Iran. As for why we might think we know whats better, I guess because we're a super power, so we must be doing something right.

Amdrica has never been a super power militarily. That was russia's spot. Without nukes russia could easily have destroyed america militarily, not that they would've wanted to. America is the world's salesman, profiting - no wait - trying to profit from everything it can. And if something threatens to disrupt the market, they will fight it. Which is why they are now out there paying for oil - not just with money, but with blood.

The idea that america is the "world police" is one of the most stupid, arrogant and thoughtless things imaginable. If we are even going to attempt a global society we need to work within rules, not decide to march in. America's imperialist intervention is bad for itself, and worse for the world. Isolationist is crazy, but thats the polar opposite of what the US is doing. Just find the equator, and sitck to it. Win them over with idea's, not guns. Re-learn the soft touch america once had.


By the way, if you think america was some sort of catalyst for the end of wars in europe, you are wrong. And if you even look at the war in europe, they barely fought or bled compared to us - which is why they're they superpower now. You don't really expect us to belive you won all our wars for us... AND were still strong enough to become a world power?

[Uawc]

You don't have to ask, a good friend provides assistance, even before you realize you need it

Iran isn't your 'good friend' or hardly your friend at all.

furthermore, we believe we know what is best for you, and the world.

And why is this?

We are doing the whole "Trust your big brother, we wouldn't let you down" thing.

Again, Iran doesn't exactly have the friendliest relations with you. Why the hell would they trust any western nation.

Friend was clearly referring to Europe, not Iran. As for why we might think we know whats better, I guess because we're a super power, so we must be doing something right.

Amdrica has never been a super power militarily. That was russia's spot. Without nukes russia could easily have destroyed america militarily, not that they would've wanted to. America is the world's salesman, profiting - no wait - trying to profit from everything it can. And if something threatens to disrupt the market, they will fight it. Which is why they are now out there paying for oil - not just with money, but with blood.

The idea that america is the "world police" is one of the most stupid, arrogant and thoughtless things imaginable. If we are even going to attempt a global society we need to work within rules, not decide to march in. America's imperialist intervention is bad for itself, and worse for the world. Isolationist is crazy, but thats the polar opposite of what the US is doing. Just find the equator, and sitck to it. Win them over with idea's, not guns. Re-learn the soft touch america once had.


By the way, if you think america was some sort of catalyst for the end of wars in europe, you are wrong. And if you even look at the war in europe, they barely fought or bled compared to us - which is why they're they superpower now. You don't really expect us to belive you won all our wars for us... AND were still strong enough to become a world power?

I would sig that whole post if I could.

[Lackadaisical2]

Friend was clearly referring to Europe, not Iran. As for why we might think we know whats better, I guess because we're a super power, so we must be doing something right.

Amdrica has never been a super power militarily. That was russia's spot. Without nukes russia could easily have destroyed america militarily, not that they would've wanted to. America is the world's salesman, profiting - no wait - trying to profit from everything it can. And if something threatens to disrupt the market, they will fight it. Which is why they are now out there paying for oil - not just with money, but with blood.

uhm, sure. Whatever you say. I'd like to imagine having more navy than the rest of the world combined makes us a bit of a military super power, but thats neither here nor there, as military isn't the only reason why someone is a super power.

The idea that america is the "world police" is one of the most stupid, arrogant and thoughtless things imaginable. If we are even going to attempt a global society we need to work within rules, not decide to march in. America's imperialist intervention is bad for itself, and worse for the world. Isolationist is crazy, but thats the polar opposite of what the US is doing. Just find the equator, and sitck to it. Win them over with idea's, not guns. Re-learn the soft touch america once had.

Fuck a global society, and I wouldn't mind at all an American-style "isolationist" policy. As you said, our interventionism is bad for ourselves, its a self defeating policy.

By the way, if you think america was some sort of catalyst for the end of wars in europe, you are wrong. And if you even look at the war in europe, they barely fought or bled compared to us - which is why they're they superpower now. You don't really expect us to belive you won all our wars for us... AND were still strong enough to become a world power?

No argument there, we played our cards right and let you fools kill each other off. Although I don't quite understand your last part- the Russians fought more than anyone, yet they, by your own definition, came out a super power at the end.

[Brogavia]

Amdrica has never been a super power militarily. That was russia's spot. Without nukes russia could easily have destroyed america militarily, not that they would've wanted to. America is the world's salesman, profiting - no wait - trying to profit from everything it can. And if something threatens to disrupt the market, they will fight it. Which is why they are now out there paying for oil - not just with money, but with blood.

The idea that america is the "world police" is one of the most stupid, arrogant and thoughtless things imaginable. If we are even going to attempt a global society we need to work within rules, not decide to march in. America's imperialist intervention is bad for itself, and worse for the world. Isolationist is crazy, but thats the polar opposite of what the US is doing. Just find the equator, and sitck to it. Win them over with idea's, not guns. Re-learn the soft touch america once had.


By the way, if you think america was some sort of catalyst for the end of wars in europe, you are wrong. And if you even look at the war in europe, they barely fought or bled compared to us - which is why they're they superpower now. You don't really expect us to belive you won all our wars for us... AND were still strong enough to become a world power?

We are a super power because of industrial muscle. We were producing more aircraft by 1943 than the entire world combined. By 1944 we had a larger navy than the whole world combined. We built ships faster than they could be sunk. Without American assistance the Red Army would have been much worse off. We provided hundreds of thousand of trucks. T-34s could only go as fast as they could be refuel.

Without the West, Germany might have very well beaten the Soviets. And Without the Soviet Union tying up 2/3s of the German Army in the east, the West wouldn't have had a snowballs chance in hell.

[Idealistic Realist]

The usa inherited the mantle of brittan and france as the financer of stability and statisqoe after the war. It is a roll posinous to and illsuited. To the national charter.

[North Suran]

And so all those centuries of "No world wars" which predate the founding of the USA were...?

You mean all those centuries where England, France, Holland, and Spain lived in complete peace and harmony with one another, never funding terrorist pirate attacks on each other, never fighting wars on three continents at once over each others' colonial possessions, never paying proxies in faraway places like India, Asia, or the Americas to fight their dirty little colonial wars?

Because Christ knows, its not like the USA funds terrorism.

And Hell, it's not like the USA has had her own proxy wars.

Le gasp; what is this? Could it possibly be that the benevolent and infallible World Police are actually just as violent and selfish as every other world power?

Surely not!

Yes, what a land of sweetness and light the world was before America ruined it all in 1776. 'Twas the Garden of Eden, and we Americans are the Great Satan Serpent who wrecked it.

Considering the fact that, by the end of the 18th century, the newly-founded USA had already fought four wars - one of which was against France which, according to you, constitutes a "world war".

I'm not claiming that there were no global conflicts; only pointing out that your self-serving bullshit statement, that the USA is the only reason there are no worlds wars, is...well...self-serving bullshit.

Learn history FTW. If a war was fought in the Indian Ocean, the Pacific, the Carribean, and Europe all at once, it was a World War. By my count, France and Britain fought three such wars in the 18th Century alone.

And then the USA was created and, whaddya know, people still wage warfare.

[SD_Film Artists]

And Hell, it's not like the USA has had her own proxy wars.

I thought that's a direct war. The proxy wars would be the funding of various anti-communist African paramilitary groups during the Cold War.