Iran is trolling the US

[EvilDarkMagicians]

Sounds like a "He's wrong because I say so" argument. Reading back over the post, it seems that he's saying that A always occurs after B simply because A preceded B.

While this is untrue, I personally think he's right in saying that the world wars, to an extent, could have been nerfed if the U.S. had been involved earlier than it was.

Both times, we tried to stay out, and we were attacked both times. The Lusitania the first time and Pearl Harbor the second.

Those Europeans need to stop being so hypocritical about the U.S. starting wars considering they've been slaughtering each other since the dawn of time.

I don't think comparing World Wars to the Wars the U.S.A is involved now, is a very good idea.
Saying the U.S.A helped before, shouldn't set a precedent for the U.S.A to 'Police' the world.

About the European part: Past and present.
You can't blame the Europeans of today for their ancestors that were involved in war.

[Resolute Prime]

We are forgetting a lot of things here. For one thing, Iran probably wont nuke Israel or at least all of it. First off all, it won't nuke the occupied sections, (The Gaza strip, the west bank) because there are Palestinians living there. If they did, a lot of terrorism is going to Target them instead, not to mention their neighbors will be *pissed* as hell that they did what the Israelis did only on a larger scale, effectively making the "Give Palestinians back their land" moot, as most of the Palestinian will be dead and Palestine a smoldering crater. They won't nuke Jerusalem either, since the place is of significant religious importance to three main religions, Islam included. The biggest threat, however, is for Iran to "misplace" a nuke, which was "accidentally" found by terrorists and "somehow" finds is way to New York. Or Washington. Or San Fransisco. or some other thousand-plus cities around the globe.

Which is still pretty small considering that no ruling cleric in his right mind would relinquish his power and life of luxury to go live in a montainous cave for the rest of his life, looking over his shoulder for the sake of a few "infidel" lives.

Osama comes into mind. Granted, he was not a cleric, but he was rich. And you are forgetting, religious fervor can make people believe and do stupid and insane stuff. so can indoctrination, for that matter.

[Gauthier]

Yeah, well, we decided we'd be proactive this time. Europeans wait til the **** has hit the fan, just like they did with the Nazis, Soviets, etc.

Thus saying that America prefers to initiate a "pearl harbor" on its enemies?

Yes, because it saves us the headache of potentially larger more lethal conflicts

we are doing the world a massive favor, by stamping out problems before they become to huge to tackle

And yet the USA condemned the attack on Pearl Harbour - the words "A day that will live in infamy" especially spring to mind.

But hey, when a country invades another country - like, say, Iraq invading Kuwait - its an unprovoked act of aggression and expansion. But when the good ol' USA does it, it's a justified pre-emptive police action with good intentions?

Well, see, Iraq didn't enter Kuwait to overthrow an evil dictatorship and provide freedom to the countries populace. We entered Iraq to do just that, however. There is a bit of a difference.

Ah, so it is the White Knight Trope, then.

And just what do you define as "evil dictatorship" and "freedom to the countries populace"? Because when I'm thinking of Kuwait, I'm thinking of a nation readily condemned by the UN whose government has repeatedly suspended the national parliament - including in the time period running up to the Iraq War.

So yeah, was Hussein not justified, then?

Hussein intended to conquer Kuwait under his flag, and take their vast oil reserves for his own. Odd, considering Iraq's already-overflowing oil reserves.

America went in to stop him. And it wasn't just America, mind you. Germany, Britain, Japan and many other nations are there as well.

Again, Saddam wasn't about to invade Kuwait until April Glaspie gave vague replies to the effect of "It's the the business of the United States" which made him think Good Old Uncle Sam wouldn't give a shit if he went in there with his troops.

[North Suran]

Yeah, well, we decided we'd be proactive this time. Europeans wait til the **** has hit the fan, just like they did with the Nazis, Soviets, etc.

Thus saying that America prefers to initiate a "pearl harbor" on its enemies?

Yes, because it saves us the headache of potentially larger more lethal conflicts

we are doing the world a massive favor, by stamping out problems before they become to huge to tackle

And yet the USA condemned the attack on Pearl Harbour - the words "A day that will live in infamy" especially spring to mind.

But hey, when a country invades another country - like, say, Iraq invading Kuwait - its an unprovoked act of aggression and expansion. But when the good ol' USA does it, it's a justified pre-emptive police action with good intentions?

Well, see, Iraq didn't enter Kuwait to overthrow an evil dictatorship and provide freedom to the countries populace. We entered Iraq to do just that, however. There is a bit of a difference.

Ah, so it is the White Knight Trope, then.

And just what do you define as "evil dictatorship" and "freedom to the countries populace"? Because when I'm thinking of Kuwait, I'm thinking of a nation readily condemned by the UN whose government has repeatedly suspended the national parliament - including in the time period running up to the Iraq War.

So yeah, was Hussein not justified, then?

Hussein intended to conquer Kuwait under his flag, and take their vast oil reserves for his own.

So the US got it half-right, then.

Although there's a slim difference between annexing a country and installing a puppet state; ask the residents of Mengukuo, for instance.

America went in to stop him.

Or rather, "America went in to protect Kuwaiti oil".

If Kuwait had been any other minor nation, the Western world would have sat back and let them die.
Their oil reserves - the very things that got them attacked in the first place - were their lifeline.

[Pevisopolis]

Yeah, well, we decided we'd be proactive this time. Europeans wait til the **** has hit the fan, just like they did with the Nazis, Soviets, etc.

Thus saying that America prefers to initiate a "pearl harbor" on its enemies?

Yes, because it saves us the headache of potentially larger more lethal conflicts

we are doing the world a massive favor, by stamping out problems before they become to huge to tackle

And yet the USA condemned the attack on Pearl Harbour - the words "A day that will live in infamy" especially spring to mind.

But hey, when a country invades another country - like, say, Iraq invading Kuwait - its an unprovoked act of aggression and expansion. But when the good ol' USA does it, it's a justified pre-emptive police action with good intentions?

Well, see, Iraq didn't enter Kuwait to overthrow an evil dictatorship and provide freedom to the countries populace. We entered Iraq to do just that, however. There is a bit of a difference.

Ah, so it is the White Knight Trope, then.

And just what do you define as "evil dictatorship" and "freedom to the countries populace"? Because when I'm thinking of Kuwait, I'm thinking of a nation readily condemned by the UN whose government has repeatedly suspended the national parliament - including in the time period running up to the Iraq War.

So yeah, was Hussein not justified, then?

Hussein intended to conquer Kuwait under his flag, and take their vast oil reserves for his own. Odd, considering Iraq's already-overflowing oil reserves.

America went in to stop him. And it wasn't just America, mind you. Germany, Britain, Japan and many other nations are there as well.

Whereas we didn't condemn Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war. Rather, didn't we lend support towards Saddam in that war?

[East Canuck]

Correct

America has a history of going to war for the right reason's
We don't do it for territory, or power, or wealth. but to right wrongs, and correct mistakes.

I like you. You're funny.

[Station 12]

Woah, what's going on. What did you americans break now?

Also- that sounded very Knight Templar of you, Lelouche. And a little creepy. That's not a good thing.

I take offence to the Templar name being used in a negative connotation.

The Knights Templar were the most righteous and inherently good organization of humans to ever walk the earth. And they were killed for it, their leader literally burned for it.

I would be honored as hell to be called a "Templar". Lelouche, you should take Station 12's comment as a compliment.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... ghtTemplar

I sincerely apologise if you never come out of that site, it's very addictive, but this page should explain the term.

Or maybe http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... dExtremist would be better.

And since I'm on a roll, http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... tsMonsters

[Gauthier]

Yeah, well, we decided we'd be proactive this time. Europeans wait til the **** has hit the fan, just like they did with the Nazis, Soviets, etc.

Thus saying that America prefers to initiate a "pearl harbor" on its enemies?

Yes, because it saves us the headache of potentially larger more lethal conflicts

we are doing the world a massive favor, by stamping out problems before they become to huge to tackle

And yet the USA condemned the attack on Pearl Harbour - the words "A day that will live in infamy" especially spring to mind.

But hey, when a country invades another country - like, say, Iraq invading Kuwait - its an unprovoked act of aggression and expansion. But when the good ol' USA does it, it's a justified pre-emptive police action with good intentions?

Well, see, Iraq didn't enter Kuwait to overthrow an evil dictatorship and provide freedom to the countries populace. We entered Iraq to do just that, however. There is a bit of a difference.

Ah, so it is the White Knight Trope, then.

And just what do you define as "evil dictatorship" and "freedom to the countries populace"? Because when I'm thinking of Kuwait, I'm thinking of a nation readily condemned by the UN whose government has repeatedly suspended the national parliament - including in the time period running up to the Iraq War.

So yeah, was Hussein not justified, then?

Hussein intended to conquer Kuwait under his flag, and take their vast oil reserves for his own. Odd, considering Iraq's already-overflowing oil reserves.

America went in to stop him. And it wasn't just America, mind you. Germany, Britain, Japan and many other nations are there as well.

Whereas we didn't condemn Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war. Rather, didn't we lend support towards Saddam in that war?

Support for Saddam goes back way further than that if you believe the stories that the CIA sponsored his Stalinesque coup.

[Resolute Prime]

Pearl Harbour was unannounced, where as the vast majority of American actions consisted of the following dialouge

actually, it was announced simultaneously with the attack in washington. The telegram was forwarded to pearl harbor too late though.

[Teccor]

Woah, what's going on. What did you americans break now?

Also- that sounded very Knight Templar of you, Lelouche. And a little creepy. That's not a good thing.

I take offence to the Templar name being used in a negative connotation.

The Knights Templar were the most righteous and inherently good organization of humans to ever walk the earth. And they were killed for it, their leader literally burned for it.

I would be honored as hell to be called a "Templar". Lelouche, you should take Station 12's comment as a compliment.

They also happened to be a collection of violent fanatics who arrogantly presumed that their viewpoint was superior to others to the point where they would readily kill for it; hence the whole "Crusades" thing.

Sorry if this is rude, but you really should not open your mouth if you don't know anything.

History. Read some.

They took part in the Crusades, yes. But after seeing what the Crusader armies and other Knightly orders *cough*Teutonic*cough* and the Crusader armies were doing, murdering hundreds of thousands of Jews and Muslims, they decided that the Catholic church was the very evil they, the Templar, sought to destroy. They protected Jews, Christians and Muslims alike during the rest of their time in the Holy Land, and refused to take part in the rest of the Crusades.

When they disobeyed the Pope, who believed that they would become yet another group of Catholic stormtroopers, he excommunicated them and ordered their leader murdered. Catholic fanatics were sent to the Templar's "base" in France, and all Knights there were killed, and the building razed to the ground.

Don't take my word for it, either. Go read. It's all there.

[Gauthier]

Pearl Harbour was unannounced, where as the vast majority of American actions consisted of the following dialouge

actually, it was announced simultaneously with the attack in washington. The telegram was forwarded to pearl harbor too late though.

And there's the story that Roosevelt had received advanced notice but said nothing because it would be a damn strong incentive for the United States to get involved in WW2 during a time most of the nation was staunchly isolationist.

[North Suran]

Yeah, well, we decided we'd be proactive this time. Europeans wait til the **** has hit the fan, just like they did with the Nazis, Soviets, etc.

Thus saying that America prefers to initiate a "pearl harbor" on its enemies?

Yes, because it saves us the headache of potentially larger more lethal conflicts

we are doing the world a massive favor, by stamping out problems before they become to huge to tackle

And yet the USA condemned the attack on Pearl Harbour - the words "A day that will live in infamy" especially spring to mind.

But hey, when a country invades another country - like, say, Iraq invading Kuwait - its an unprovoked act of aggression and expansion. But when the good ol' USA does it, it's a justified pre-emptive police action with good intentions?

Correct

The hypocrisy doth escape you, methinks.

America has a history of going to war for the right reason's

We don't do it for territory, or power, or wealth. but to right wrongs, and correct mistakes.

Pearl Harbour was unannounced,

But totally justified, according to you.

where as the vast majority of American actions consisted of the following dialouge

"You have Violated UN Resolution #A/Human Right #B/Treaty #C. cease and desist/comply to demands D,E,F. Failure to do will result in Actions X/Y/Z"

Grenada, much?

"Screw you America, it's my country, I will kill/rape/pillage whatever I want, and as for my people, they can suck it as well."

Which explains why the USA was so helpful in Rwanda.

"You were warned fairly, now suffer your fate"

And the invasion of Iraq was?

You're arguing a wholly untenable claim. For every justified US invasion, there are about five others where the sole reasoning behind intervention largely came down to "They're Commies!"

[Resolute Prime]

Pearl Harbour was unannounced, where as the vast majority of American actions consisted of the following dialouge

actually, it was announced simultaneously with the attack in washington. The telegram was forwarded to pearl harbor too late though.

And there's the story that Roosevelt had received advanced notice but said nothing because it would be a damn strong incentive for the United States to get involved in WW2 during a time most of the nation was staunchly isolationist.

I've heard about that. It could be why the planes are all parked nice and pretty outside of their hangars, despite the fact that that would decrease their life-span due to the salty air (which is corrosive, btw). the only logical reason for that is an expected attack or to guard against sabotage.

[Teccor]

Woah, what's going on. What did you americans break now?

Also- that sounded very Knight Templar of you, Lelouche. And a little creepy. That's not a good thing.

I take offence to the Templar name being used in a negative connotation.

The Knights Templar were the most righteous and inherently good organization of humans to ever walk the earth. And they were killed for it, their leader literally burned for it.

I would be honored as hell to be called a "Templar". Lelouche, you should take Station 12's comment as a compliment.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... ghtTemplar

I sincerely apologise if you never come out of that site, it's very addictive, but this page should explain the term.

Or maybe http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... dExtremist would be better.

And since I'm on a roll, http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... tsMonsters

Yes, a very addicting website, but hardly the place to go for factual truth regarding a historical knightly order.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Te ... issolution

Seems much more accurate, to me at least.

[Resolute Prime]

Woah, what's going on. What did you americans break now?

Also- that sounded very Knight Templar of you, Lelouche. And a little creepy. That's not a good thing.

I take offence to the Templar name being used in a negative connotation.

The Knights Templar were the most righteous and inherently good organization of humans to ever walk the earth. And they were killed for it, their leader literally burned for it.

I would be honored as hell to be called a "Templar". Lelouche, you should take Station 12's comment as a compliment.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... ghtTemplar

I sincerely apologise if you never come out of that site, it's very addictive, but this page should explain the term.

Or maybe http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... dExtremist would be better.

And since I'm on a roll, http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... tsMonsters

Yes, a very addicting website, but hardly the place to go for factual truth regarding a historical knightly order.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Te ... issolution

Seems much more accurate, to me at least.

Oh yes. Wikipedia. the most accurate source in the world.

[Station 12]

If you actually paid attention, you would notice that I didn't mean the actual Knights Templar, it's just a TV tropes term. Read the page.

[Lelouche]

Also- that sounded very Knight Templar of you, Lelouche. And a little creepy. That's not a good thing.

I take offence to the Templar name being used in a negative connotation.

The Knights Templar were the most righteous and inherently good organization of humans to ever walk the earth. And they were killed for it, their leader literally burned for it.

I would be honored as hell to be called a "Templar". Lelouche, you should take Station 12's comment as a compliment.

Well I do and don't

The crusades kinda puts me off, but noble intentions are a good thing

I won't say America is perfect, and Iraq really shouldn't of happened, however, our track proves we do have noble intentions, and thus should be given the benefit of a doubt when we say to the world

"What we are doing is necessary"

I say let history judge us, long after we have fell as a people and a power..

[Teccor]

Woah, what's going on. What did you americans break now?

Also- that sounded very Knight Templar of you, Lelouche. And a little creepy. That's not a good thing.

I take offence to the Templar name being used in a negative connotation.

The Knights Templar were the most righteous and inherently good organization of humans to ever walk the earth. And they were killed for it, their leader literally burned for it.

I would be honored as hell to be called a "Templar". Lelouche, you should take Station 12's comment as a compliment.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... ghtTemplar

I sincerely apologise if you never come out of that site, it's very addictive, but this page should explain the term.

Or maybe http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... dExtremist would be better.

And since I'm on a roll, http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... tsMonsters

Yes, a very addicting website, but hardly the place to go for factual truth regarding a historical knightly order.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Te ... issolution

Seems much more accurate, to me at least.

Oh yes. Wikipedia. the most accurate source in the world.

More accurate than TVtropes.

Fine, be that way, then.

http://www.templarhistory.com/

http://www.middle-ages.org.uk/knights-templar.htm

http://www.crystalinks.com/templars.html

[EvilDarkMagicians]

Woah, what's going on. What did you americans break now?

Also- that sounded very Knight Templar of you, Lelouche. And a little creepy. That's not a good thing.

I take offence to the Templar name being used in a negative connotation.

The Knights Templar were the most righteous and inherently good organization of humans to ever walk the earth. And they were killed for it, their leader literally burned for it.

I would be honored as hell to be called a "Templar". Lelouche, you should take Station 12's comment as a compliment.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... ghtTemplar

I sincerely apologise if you never come out of that site, it's very addictive, but this page should explain the term.

Or maybe http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... dExtremist would be better.

And since I'm on a roll, http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... tsMonsters

Yes, a very addicting website, but hardly the place to go for factual truth regarding a historical knightly order.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Te ... issolution

Seems much more accurate, to me at least.

Oh yes. Wikipedia. the most accurate source in the world.

And TvTropes is.

[Tauntoga]

Nah, Colonel Gahdaffi is a better troll.

[Station 12]

I like how everyone thinks I was supposed to be using TV tropes as a factual database. I'm not. I called someone a "Knight Templar" within the context of the TV tropes term, and someone misunderstood.

[Gauthier]

Nah, Colonel Gahdaffi is a better troll.

Nah, the title still belongs to Good Old Hugo.

[Tauntoga]

Nah, Colonel Gahdaffi is a better troll.

Nah, the title still belongs to Good Old Hugo.

Considering I don't know who it is: who?

[Gauthier]

Nah, Colonel Gahdaffi is a better troll.

Nah, the title still belongs to Good Old Hugo.

Considering I don't know who it is: who?

[Tauntoga]

Ah, Hugo Chavez.

What is it did to earn the title of a troll?