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Should virtue be required for females and males?

Yes, a girl worth true love is a good girl.
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No, girls can be naughty.
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Total votes : 377

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Mini Miehm
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Postby Mini Miehm » Sun Apr 13, 2014 2:20 pm

Shie wrote:
Mini Miehm wrote:
I see people as individuals. Individuals should be judged on their actions, not by your perceptions. If you're not harming other people, you're not doing anything worth being judged negatively for. And even if YOU think someone is harming another, if the person being "harmed" disagrees with you, YOU are in the wrong.
Full definition of A GROUP: a number of individuals assembled together or having some unifying relationship.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/group

First, you can't judge someone outside of your perceptions.
Secondly, If I perceive someone as being harmed while they disagree, I am right because my strength is as the strength of ten, only because my heart is pure.


You're insane and should seek medical assistance with all due haste. On a related note, you're harming the world by posting. You should stop. For the good of everyone who has to deal with you.
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Llamalandia
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Postby Llamalandia » Sun Apr 13, 2014 2:27 pm

Mini Miehm wrote:
Shie wrote:Full definition of A GROUP: a number of individuals assembled together or having some unifying relationship.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/group

First, you can't judge someone outside of your perceptions.
Secondly, If I perceive someone as being harmed while they disagree, I am right because my strength is as the strength of ten, only because my heart is pure.


You're insane and should seek medical assistance with all due haste. On a related note, you're harming the world by posting. You should stop. For the good of everyone who has to deal with you.


I'm pretty sure that the world will survie just about any nationstates post. (unless some one post plans for how to build a nuke and the location of some weapons grade plutonium here :lol: ) Charging someone as harming the world with their posts seems a bit extreme to me. Plus I don't think that "harming the world" is actually against the NS forum rules but then again I'm notamod so... :lol:

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Shie
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Postby Shie » Sun Apr 13, 2014 2:28 pm

Mini Miehm wrote:
Shie wrote:Full definition of A GROUP: a number of individuals assembled together or having some unifying relationship.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/group

First, you can't judge someone outside of your perceptions.
Secondly, If I perceive someone as being harmed while they disagree, I am right because my strength is as the strength of ten, only because my heart is pure.


You're insane and should seek medical assistance with all due haste. On a related note, you're harming the world by posting. You should stop. For the good of everyone who has to deal with you.
You know what? You're trying to hurt my feelings and that's not okay.
I've never said a bad word about you and here you are calling me insane, stop being rude to me because you don't like some things I've posted, some of which I've provided evidence for.
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Mini Miehm
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Postby Mini Miehm » Sun Apr 13, 2014 2:32 pm

Shie wrote:
Mini Miehm wrote:
You're insane and should seek medical assistance with all due haste. On a related note, you're harming the world by posting. You should stop. For the good of everyone who has to deal with you.
You know what? You're trying to hurt my feelings and that's not okay.
I've never said a bad word about you and here you are calling me insane, stop being rude to me because you don't like some thing I've posted, some of which I've provided proof for.


Anyone who seriously claims that their strength is as the strength of ten is definitely not well. The ideas you espouse are awful enough, but you're incredibly self righteous about it.
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Shie
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Postby Shie » Sun Apr 13, 2014 2:37 pm

Mini Miehm wrote:
Shie wrote:You know what? You're trying to hurt my feelings and that's not okay.
I've never said a bad word about you and here you are calling me insane, stop being rude to me because you don't like some thing I've posted, some of which I've provided proof for.


Anyone who seriously claims that their strength is as the strength of ten is definitely not well. The ideas you espouse are awful enough, but you're incredibly self righteous about it.
You just don't understand me, that's all.

I'm feeling better from when you hurt me though, this is where my strength (emotional) comes in.
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Llamalandia
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Postby Llamalandia » Sun Apr 13, 2014 2:39 pm

Mini Miehm wrote:
Shie wrote:You know what? You're trying to hurt my feelings and that's not okay.
I've never said a bad word about you and here you are calling me insane, stop being rude to me because you don't like some thing I've posted, some of which I've provided proof for.


Anyone who seriously claims that their strength is as the strength of ten is definitely not well. The ideas you espouse are awful enough, but you're incredibly self righteous about it.


Hmm while I disagree with Shie, I gotta say accusing someone of harming the world merely with their posts and telling them to shut up seems far worse than anything Shie has actually said thus far. I mean he certainly seems to respect your right to express yourself why can't you respect his? :eyebrow:

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Novia Soviet Socialist Republic
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Postby Novia Soviet Socialist Republic » Sun Apr 13, 2014 2:41 pm

Shie wrote:
Mini Miehm wrote:
I see people as individuals. Individuals should be judged on their actions, not by your perceptions. If you're not harming other people, you're not doing anything worth being judged negatively for. And even if YOU think someone is harming another, if the person being "harmed" disagrees with you, YOU are in the wrong.
Full definition of A GROUP: a number of individuals assembled together or having some unifying relationship.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/group

First, you can't judge someone outside of your perceptions.
Secondly, If I perceive someone as being harmed while they disagree, I am right because my strength is as the strength of ten, only because my heart is pure.


I am right because my strength of ten, only because my heart is pure.

I just lost you at that part. Like, I have absolutely no idea what you just said there.
u wot m8

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Bythibus
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Postby Bythibus » Sun Apr 13, 2014 2:44 pm

Mini Miehm wrote:
Shie wrote:You know what? You're trying to hurt my feelings and that's not okay.
I've never said a bad word about you and here you are calling me insane, stop being rude to me because you don't like some thing I've posted, some of which I've provided proof for.


Anyone who seriously claims that their strength is as the strength of ten is definitely not well. The ideas you espouse are awful enough, but you're incredibly self righteous about it.

You don't seem very well versed in hyperbole.
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Des-Bal
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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Apr 13, 2014 2:48 pm

Mini Miehm wrote:
I'm saying that women who enjoy sex exist. How is this hard to get? Just because I don't think that sluts exist doesn't mean that the women society refers to in a judgmental manner as sluts don't exist. That's a pretty fucking moronic way to think.


Then you don't know what words mean. You're saying your upset by the negative use of the word, saying "slut's don't exist" is just fucking innacurate.
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Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos

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Shie
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Postby Shie » Sun Apr 13, 2014 2:48 pm

Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Shie wrote:Full definition of A GROUP: a number of individuals assembled together or having some unifying relationship.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/group

First, you can't judge someone outside of your perceptions.
Secondly, If I perceive someone as being harmed while they disagree, I am right because my strength is as the strength of ten, only because my heart is pure.


I am right because my strength of ten, only because my heart is pure.

I just lost you at that part. Like, I have absolutely no idea what you just said there.

We argued for a little while. Regardless of what we were arguing, my point is that there is supposed to be much more than life, death or the fate of the universe at stake here: The outcome of this argument decided that my personal philosophy is correct.

You can always count on the me to win. Why? Strength comes from being good, and that's why I am right.

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Soldati Senza Confini
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Apr 13, 2014 2:53 pm

Shie wrote:
Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
I am right because my strength of ten, only because my heart is pure.

I just lost you at that part. Like, I have absolutely no idea what you just said there.

We argued for a little while. Regardless of what we were arguing, my point is that there is supposed to be much more than life, death or the fate of the universe at stake here: The outcome of this argument decided that my personal philosophy is correct.

You can always count on the me to win. Why? Strength comes from being good, and that's why I am right.


Now, on this? I think you're just fucking with us.
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Shie
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Postby Shie » Sun Apr 13, 2014 2:55 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Shie wrote:We argued for a little while. Regardless of what we were arguing, my point is that there is supposed to be much more than life, death or the fate of the universe at stake here: The outcome of this argument decided that my personal philosophy is correct.

You can always count on the me to win. Why? Strength comes from being good, and that's why I am right.


Now, on this? I think you're just fucking with us.

I'm not joking when I say that justice always prevails.

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Novia Soviet Socialist Republic
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Postby Novia Soviet Socialist Republic » Sun Apr 13, 2014 2:57 pm

Shie wrote:
Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
I am right because my strength of ten, only because my heart is pure.

I just lost you at that part. Like, I have absolutely no idea what you just said there.

We argued for a little while. Regardless of what we were arguing, my point is that there is supposed to be much more than life, death or the fate of the universe at stake here: The outcome of this argument decided that my personal philosophy is correct.

You can always count on the me to win. Why? Strength comes from being good, and that's why I am right.


Being good doesn't make you right. Not by a long shot.
u wot m8

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Llamalandia
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Postby Llamalandia » Sun Apr 13, 2014 2:57 pm

Shie wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Now, on this? I think you're just fucking with us.

I'm not joking when I say that justice always prevails.


Then explain that period in the US where slavery was legal. That definitely didn't seem to be very just for african-american slaves as far as I can tell. ;)

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Shie
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Postby Shie » Sun Apr 13, 2014 2:58 pm

Llamalandia wrote:
Shie wrote:I'm not joking when I say that justice always prevails.


Then explain that period in the US where slavery was legal. That definitely didn't seem to be very just for african-american slaves as far as I can tell. ;)
Justly, African Americans are no longer slaves in America. Justice did prevail because it always will prevail.
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Bythibus
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Postby Bythibus » Sun Apr 13, 2014 2:59 pm

Llamalandia wrote:
Shie wrote:I'm not joking when I say that justice always prevails.


Then explain that period in the US where slavery was legal. That definitely didn't seem to be very just for african-american slaves as far as I can tell. ;)

Silly Llama. You see, it was the strength of the white man that meant he was good, and therefore right to enslave the black man.
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Bythibus
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Postby Bythibus » Sun Apr 13, 2014 2:59 pm

Shie wrote:
Llamalandia wrote:
Then explain that period in the US where slavery was legal. That definitely didn't seem to be very just for african-american slaves as far as I can tell. ;)
African Americans are no longer slaves in America so justice did prevail because it always will prevail.

Except for all the times it didn't and won't.
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Shie
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Postby Shie » Sun Apr 13, 2014 3:00 pm

Bythibus wrote:
Shie wrote:African Americans are no longer slaves in America so justice did prevail because it always will prevail.

Except for all the times it didn't and won't.

It will, it always will and always has. Things can only get better because this is the best of all possible worlds.
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Llamalandia
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Postby Llamalandia » Sun Apr 13, 2014 3:01 pm

Bythibus wrote:
Llamalandia wrote:
Then explain that period in the US where slavery was legal. That definitely didn't seem to be very just for african-american slaves as far as I can tell. ;)

Silly Llama. You see, it was the strength of the white man that meant he was good, and therefore right to enslave the black man.


Right and naturally because the white man was good he had "the strength of ten men" :rofl:

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Postby Shie » Sun Apr 13, 2014 3:02 pm

Llamalandia wrote:
Bythibus wrote:Silly Llama. You see, it was the strength of the white man that meant he was good, and therefore right to enslave the black man.


Right and naturally because the white man was good he had "the strength of ten men" :rofl:

Racism isn't good for everyone so that's why it's not okay.
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Bythibus
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Postby Bythibus » Sun Apr 13, 2014 3:04 pm

Shie wrote:
Bythibus wrote:Except for all the times it didn't and won't.

It will, it always will and always has. Things can only get better because this is the best world possible.

Did justice prevail when Pol Pot was the leader of Cambodia? How about all those civilians Stalin slaughtered. The Jewish people killed in WWII? Hitler killed himself, justice was not served.

How about the millions of crucified slaves in Rome over the time of the empire? Surely that cannot be justice.

Justice is not always served, and frequently fails. It is not absolute, nor it is blind.
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Postby Shie » Sun Apr 13, 2014 3:12 pm

Bythibus wrote:
Shie wrote:It will, it always will and always has. Things can only get better because this is the best world possible.

Did justice prevail when Pol Pot was the leader of Cambodia? How about all those civilians Stalin slaughtered. The Jewish people killed in WWII? Hitler killed himself, justice was not served.

How about the millions of crucified slaves in Rome over the time of the empire? Surely that cannot be justice.

Justice is not always served, and frequently fails. It is not absolute, nor it is blind.

Let's get down to the nitty gritty of what we've been saying. I don't see what the trouble is here. What is your state of mind when you contemplate the possibility to people dying?

All right, so life is a transitory system. Suppose you just go along with it and dissolve. Why don't we want to give up? I'm not advocating giving up. What I'm interested for you to feel is what it's like to feel inside at the prospect of there being nothing. Death, the reality of approaching death. People get cold and chilly because it's unknown.

The most frightening thing about death is the fact that there might be something and you don't know what it is. Remember facing the world as a child? The world is full of threats, mostly from other people and there are monsters. There's things that scare you. Beyond every monster there is death.

Dissolution is the end of it all, the art of government is to fill that void of death with threats of an unspecified nature so we can move people by saying that if you don't do as I tell you, I'll kill you or you'll kill yourself. Death isn't a bad thing. The most death can come to is nothing, you have to have nothing to have something. You can't fundamentally scare a good person.

What end can it all come to? I don't see what all the trouble is about.

Beyond pain is death.

What will it be like to go to sleep and never wake up?
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Soldati Senza Confini
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Apr 13, 2014 3:26 pm

Shie wrote:
Bythibus wrote:Did justice prevail when Pol Pot was the leader of Cambodia? How about all those civilians Stalin slaughtered. The Jewish people killed in WWII? Hitler killed himself, justice was not served.

How about the millions of crucified slaves in Rome over the time of the empire? Surely that cannot be justice.

Justice is not always served, and frequently fails. It is not absolute, nor it is blind.

Let's get down to the nitty gritty of what we've been saying. I don't see what the trouble is here. What is your state of mind when you contemplate the possibility to people dying?

All right, so life is a transitory system. Suppose you just go along with it and dissolve. Why don't we want to give up? I'm not advocating giving up. What I'm interested for you to feel is what it's like to feel inside at the prospect of there being nothing. Death, the reality of approaching death. People get cold and chilly because it's unknown.

The most frightening thing about death is the fact that there might be something and you don't know what it is. Remember facing the world as a child? The world is full of threats, mostly from other people and there are monsters. There's things that scare you. Beyond every monster there is death.

Dissolution is the end of it all, the art of government is to fill that void of death with threats of an unspecified nature so we can move people by saying that if you don't do as I tell you, I'll kill you or you'll kill yourself. Death isn't a bad thing. The most death can come to is nothing, you have to have nothing to have something. You can't fundamentally scare a good person.

What end can it all come to? I don't see what all the trouble is about.

Beyond pain is death.

What will it be like to go to sleep and never wake up?


Governments are social contracts, first of all. The people choose how to govern themselves in modern society and the laws which will be followed hereof.

If you can't scare a good person then that good person is a sociopath.
Soldati senza confini: Better than an iPod in shuffle more with 20,000 songs.
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.

"When it’s a choice of putting food on the table, or thinking about your morals, it’s easier to say you’d think about your morals, but only if you’ve never faced that decision." - Anastasia Richardson

Current Goal: Flesh out nation factbook.

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Novia Soviet Socialist Republic
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Postby Novia Soviet Socialist Republic » Sun Apr 13, 2014 3:28 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Shie wrote:Let's get down to the nitty gritty of what we've been saying. I don't see what the trouble is here. What is your state of mind when you contemplate the possibility to people dying?

All right, so life is a transitory system. Suppose you just go along with it and dissolve. Why don't we want to give up? I'm not advocating giving up. What I'm interested for you to feel is what it's like to feel inside at the prospect of there being nothing. Death, the reality of approaching death. People get cold and chilly because it's unknown.

The most frightening thing about death is the fact that there might be something and you don't know what it is. Remember facing the world as a child? The world is full of threats, mostly from other people and there are monsters. There's things that scare you. Beyond every monster there is death.

Dissolution is the end of it all, the art of government is to fill that void of death with threats of an unspecified nature so we can move people by saying that if you don't do as I tell you, I'll kill you or you'll kill yourself. Death isn't a bad thing. The most death can come to is nothing, you have to have nothing to have something. You can't fundamentally scare a good person.

What end can it all come to? I don't see what all the trouble is about.

Beyond pain is death.

What will it be like to go to sleep and never wake up?


Governments are social contracts, first of all. The people choose how to govern themselves in modern society and the laws which will be followed hereof.

If you can't scare a good person then that good person is a sociopath.


I wouldn't call them a sociopath more along the lines of lacking the ability to feel fear. That would be a terrible evolutionary trait to have.
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Shie
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Postby Shie » Sun Apr 13, 2014 3:34 pm

Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Governments are social contracts, first of all. The people choose how to govern themselves in modern society and the laws which will be followed hereof.

If you can't scare a good person then that good person is a sociopath.


I wouldn't call them a sociopath more along the lines of lacking the ability to feel fear. That would be a terrible evolutionary trait to have.

Lacking the ability to fear is symptomatic of Antisocial Personality Disorder (Psychopathy, Sociopathy).
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