Sexuality, Human Expression, and Personhood

[Pandeeria]

I'm sorry, Mr. Voice-of-the-People. I forgot you're the personification of the people's desires... ¬¬

I'm the personification of what the people must have.

Someone doesn't have an inflated ego at all.

[Novia Soviet Socialist Republic]

I'm sorry, Mr. Voice-of-the-People. I forgot you're the personification of the people's desires... ¬¬

I'm the personification of what the people must have.

To live in constant fear, to simply exist rather than enjoying life. Got ya. That's what we need.

[Sefard]

It is not too much to ask that men keep their word and women not look like sluts in public.

Virtue is the basis on which a society may operate informally, and the means by which more natural means of governance may occur.

[Salandriagado]

Why should they want that though? How do you know what each human should want?

Personal preference good sir. For instance, I like pineapple and some people don't like pineapple.

Personal preferences can be changed and likely will if a government needed them to, if the preferences of someone can't be altered, they're immature.

Furthest to the left = Ideal male facial template.

The right being the ideal female template.

I prefer 3rd from the left and second from the right.

[Ayreonia]

Why?
Okay, that's enough of that, I was just making a point about how you can't just say 'why?' to everything the guy said.

Anyway, condoms fail roughly 1% of the time, that means 1 in every 100 people. And when you think about it like that, are you really that unlikely to be that one in a hundred?

I also happen to believe that sex without love is very emotionally damaging. I view it as inherently abusive and selfish. It's not something I could ever do, or something I could ever live with myself if I did do it.

Yes, condoms fail. There's no contraceptive that's guaranteed to work every single time. 99 to 1 are odds that I'm ready to take.

I expect you have some way of backing your argument up, aside from personal feelings?

Still waiting on this, by the way.

[Mini Miehm]

It is not too much to ask that men PEOPLE keep their word and women not look like sluts in public WE NOT JUDGE PEOPLE BY HOW THE DRESS?

Virtue is the basis on which a society may operate informally, and the means by which more natural means of governance may occur.

Apparently for you, yes it is.

Here's a fun one. What is best in life? Why is your idea of what is best in life more valid than any other? Why shouldn't people who disagree with you use the only proper response to that question as an excuse to beat the tar out of anyone who disagrees?

[Sefard]

It is not too much to ask that men PEOPLE keep their word and women not look like sluts in public WE NOT JUDGE PEOPLE BY HOW THE DRESS?

Virtue is the basis on which a society may operate informally, and the means by which more natural means of governance may occur.

Apparently for you, yes it is.

Here's a fun one. What is best in life? Why is your idea of what is best in life more valid than any other? Why shouldn't people who disagree with you use the only proper response to that question as an excuse to beat the tar out of anyone who disagrees?

I have not recommended that anyone who disagrees be beaten or slaughtered or bitched at. I have simply said that I don't find it very difficult for men to keep their word and women not to look like sluts in public.

[The Flood]

unless aliens threatened to blow up the world if we didnt have these laws

... Aliens? Really? Are you seriously using this to defend your arguments, or are you just joking around right now?

It was obviously a joke...

And what do you mean, 'my arguments'? I never argued anything related to what the OP is advocating.

[Mini Miehm]

Apparently for you, yes it is.

Here's a fun one. What is best in life? Why is your idea of what is best in life more valid than any other? Why shouldn't people who disagree with you use the only proper response to that question as an excuse to beat the tar out of anyone who disagrees?

I have not recommended that anyone who disagrees be beaten or slaughtered or bitched at. I have simply said that I don't find it very difficult for men people to keep their word and women not to look like sluts in public dress in a way that gets my panties in a wad.

See, here's the problem. No one goes out dressed like a slut. And even if they DID go out dressed like a slut, it's not up to you to tell them, or even think it to yourself. Just because you're easily offended by attractive women, does not make women being attractive a moral problem.

And you still haven't answered what is best in life.

[Ayreonia]

Apparently for you, yes it is.

Here's a fun one. What is best in life? Why is your idea of what is best in life more valid than any other? Why shouldn't people who disagree with you use the only proper response to that question as an excuse to beat the tar out of anyone who disagrees?

I have not recommended that anyone who disagrees be beaten or slaughtered or bitched at. I have simply said that I don't find it very difficult for men to keep their word and women not to look like sluts in public.

Define "slut."

[Shie]

Personal preferences can be changed and likely will if a government needed them to, if the preferences of someone can't be altered, they're immature.

Furthest to the left = Ideal male facial template.
(Image)
The right being the ideal female template.

I prefer 3rd from the left and second from the right.

The high estrogen women, the one on the right would prefer the high testosterone man all the way to the left.
That's really all that matters.

[The Flood]

Yes, condoms fail. There's no contraceptive that's guaranteed to work every single time. 99 to 1 are odds that I'm ready to take.
I expect you have some way of backing your argument up, aside from personal feelings?

Still waiting on this, by the way.

Treating a person as an object of sexual gratification is inhuman and selfish. I don't know how I can break this down any further, treating people like garbage is bad.

[Shie]

I have not recommended that anyone who disagrees be beaten or slaughtered or bitched at. I have simply said that I don't find it very difficult for men to keep their word and women not to look like sluts in public.

Define "slut."

A person who commits illegal sexual acts.

[Mini Miehm]

I prefer 3rd from the left and second from the right.

The high estrogen women, the one on the right would prefer the man all the way to the left. That's really all that matters.

No, what matters is making sure you take your meds. It's a very good thing that people are people, and not a collection of hormonal urges with no higher brain function, or else you might be correct. Thankfully, people manage to make choices that defy what you expect all the time.

[Llamalandia]

Still waiting on this, by the way.

Treating a person as an object of sexual gratification is inhuman and selfish. I don't know how I can break this down any further, treating people like garbage is bad.

As long as it's consensual I don't really see the problem. I mean heck let's face it there are no doubt some kinky people out there who loved to be treated exactly like garbage so what so wrong about someone for instance fulfilling that desire (provided again that everything is consensual)?

[Mini Miehm]

Define "slut."

A person who commits illegal sexual acts.

So...a prostitute. Well, that's at least refreshing. Since about the only illegal sexual acts I'm aware of are rape, and selling sex, can you tell me what a rapist and what a person who sells sex look like?

Still waiting on this, by the way.

Treating a person as an object of sexual gratification is inhuman and selfish. I don't know how I can break this down any further, treating people like garbage is bad.

Treating a person like an object is bad. Having sex with another person who wants to have sex with you is not treating them like an object. That's engaging in pretty standard human behavior. Unless you think that wanting to have sex with a person is inherently objectifying, in which case you might need some medication yourself.

[Sefard]

I have not recommended that anyone who disagrees be beaten or slaughtered or bitched at. I have simply said that I don't find it very difficult for men people to keep their word and women not to look like sluts in public dress in a way that gets my panties in a wad.

See, here's the problem. No one goes out dressed like a slut. And even if they DID go out dressed like a slut, it's not up to you to tell them, or even think it to yourself. Just because you're easily offended by attractive women, does not make women being attractive a moral problem.

And you still haven't answered what is best in life.

Relations with other human beings is best in life.

People do dress immodestly, and while I agree in many settings it is inappropriate to say what I think outloud to people, I may still think it. I'm not offended by attractive women. I simply feel sorry that they disrespectful themselves and others with their immodesty.

[Sefard]

I have not recommended that anyone who disagrees be beaten or slaughtered or bitched at. I have simply said that I don't find it very difficult for men to keep their word and women not to look like sluts in public.

Define "slut."

Having sex with many persons while not being in a committed relationship (not necessarily marriage) with them, and wearing provocative clothing to achieve the aforementioned.

[Des-Bal]

See, here's the problem. No one goes out dressed like a slut. And even if they DID go out dressed like a slut, it's not up to you to tell them, or even think it to yourself. Just because you're easily offended by attractive women, does not make women being attractive a moral problem.

And you still haven't answered what is best in life.

Yes they do. Many women go out dressed like sluts, it's not up to anybody to tell them what they look like but being upset that people have formed that opinion is a different kettle of fish.

[Pandeeria]

See, here's the problem. No one goes out dressed like a slut. And even if they DID go out dressed like a slut, it's not up to you to tell them, or even think it to yourself. Just because you're easily offended by attractive women, does not make women being attractive a moral problem.

And you still haven't answered what is best in life.

Relations with other human beings is best in life.

This is what people like you don't understand:


Everyone is different. It may be the best for you, but not best for everyone, maybe not even best for the majority.

[Galloism]

Personal preferences can be changed and likely will if a government needed them to, if the preferences of someone can't be altered, they're immature.

Furthest to the left = Ideal male facial template.

The right being the ideal female template.

I prefer 3rd from the left and second from the right.

The guy all the way on the left looks like a serial killer.

[Mini Miehm]

See, here's the problem. No one goes out dressed like a slut. And even if they DID go out dressed like a slut, it's not up to you to tell them, or even think it to yourself. Just because you're easily offended by attractive women, does not make women being attractive a moral problem.

And you still haven't answered what is best in life.

Relations with other human beings is best in life.

People do dress immodestly, and while I agree in many settings it is inappropriate to say what I think outloud to people, I may still think it. I'm not offended by attractive women. I simply feel sorry that they disrespectful themselves and others with their immodesty.

Incorrect. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PQ6335puOc

People dress. Period. There is no such thing as modest or immodest dress. No one disrespects themselves by how they dress. They dress however suits them. I like jeans, band shirts, and leather. If you feel disrespected by how other people dress, you need to reassess your life priorities, and maybe take a long hard look at that limb in your eye.

[Shie]

The high estrogen women, the one on the right would prefer the man all the way to the left. That's really all that matters.

No, what matters is making sure you take your meds. It's a very good thing that people are people, and not a collection of hormonal urges with no higher brain function, or else you might be correct. Thankfully, people manage to make choices that defy what you expect all the time.

The exception may happen for males only due to the higher sex drive in males, especially those exposed to androgens at critical development points. However for highly feminine females, the preference for dominant masculine males will be a constant because females are already selective because they've got more to invest in reproduction, the best top-tier women are the most selective but can trade health for status and wealth. She carries the child for nine months while the male can walk off. Females with the best health initially want the healthiest males
but are willing to make a trade-off provided that he can provide her stability for their offspring.

[Sefard]

Relations with other human beings is best in life.

This is what people like you don't understand:


Everyone is different. It may be the best for you, but not best for everyone, maybe not even best for the majority.

And this is what people like you don't understand:

People are different, and that's fine. People can still hold each other to reasonable standards of decency while still continuing to be different. Being different doesn't mean you have to conduct yourself in a gross or disrespectful manner.

[Mini Miehm]

See, here's the problem. No one goes out dressed like a slut. And even if they DID go out dressed like a slut, it's not up to you to tell them, or even think it to yourself. Just because you're easily offended by attractive women, does not make women being attractive a moral problem.

And you still haven't answered what is best in life.

Yes they do. Many women go out dressed like sluts, it's not up to anybody to tell them what they look like but being upset that people have formed that opinion is a different kettle of fish.

What does a slut look like exactly? What IS a slut? Because the issue with using words like "Slut" is that it's a loaded term. It carries connotations of shaming, judgement, and derision. You're passing judgment on a person based on nothing more than how they dress. That's a shitty damn way to run a railroad.