Sexuality, Human Expression, and Personhood

[Shie]

Females exposed to high estrogen in the womb and during puberty are attracted to males exposed to high testosterone in the womb and during puberty. The more masculine the man, the more feminine his taste in women. The more feminine the woman, the more masculine her taste in man. For males this preference is generally consistent while for women, this depends on her month cycle.

Source please.

Evidence for Menstrual Cycle Shifts in Women’s Preferences for Masculinity

http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/comm/hase..._to_Harris.pdf

Self-perceived attractiveness influences human female preferences for sexual dimorphism and symmetry in male faces.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1087598/

Men's masculinity and attractiveness predict their female partners' reported spasm frequency and timing

http://www.ehbonline.org/article/S10...025-0/abstract

Facial attractiveness, symmetry and cues of good genes

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1690211/

[Shie]

Personal preferences can be changed and likely will if a government needed them to, if the preferences of someone can't be altered, they're immature.

Furthest to the left = Ideal male facial template.
(Image)
The right being the ideal female template.

They're ideal in YOUR opinion and probably some others opinion. Everyone has personal taste that would require some pretty high tech brain reprogramming equipment that doesn't exist to change someones opinion on this kind of thing.

My opinions aren't opinions, these are facts backed up scientifically, sources are a post above.

[Squeeheart]

They're ideal in YOUR opinion and probably some others opinion. Everyone has personal taste that would require some pretty high tech brain reprogramming equipment that doesn't exist to change someones opinion on this kind of thing.

My opinions aren't opinions, these are facts backed up scientifically, sources are a post above.

Regardless of the links, you've formed the opinion we need "morality laws" off of stuff like this, where others would just dismiss this and stick with the whole "let men and women do as they please." I've already stated this once, and I'll state it again: No nation needs these "morality laws," for any reason.

[The Flood]

My opinions aren't opinions, these are facts backed up scientifically, sources are a post above.

Regardless of the links, you've formed the opinion we need "morality laws" off of stuff like this, where others would just dismiss this and stick with the whole "let men and women do as they please." I've already stated this once, and I'll state it again: No nation needs these "morality laws," for any reason.

unless aliens threatened to blow up the world if we didnt have these laws

[Llamalandia]

What exactly is the problem with society being more sexualized than before?

The problem with sexual libertinism is that it sets a culturally marxist precedent. I'm bothered that adultery is no longer a crime, I'm disgusted that premarital sex and divorce are actually considered to be normal occurrences.

What exactly do you mean by cultural marxism? Also is that something that could lead to economic marxism cause that's obviously bad.

[Llamalandia]

No, I'm not. If they're divorcing compensation would happen there anyway.

You do know that marriage to some is merely a piece of paper. How seriously they take it is up to them, not the state.

Then what's the point of the state being involved in marriage at all andwhy do all the gay rights people fight so hard if all marriage is is a piece of paper?

No the state has a compelling interest in furthering it's future tax base uh... children and families through stable marriages and traditional (or at least two parent) family units.

[Squeeheart]

Regardless of the links, you've formed the opinion we need "morality laws" off of stuff like this, where others would just dismiss this and stick with the whole "let men and women do as they please." I've already stated this once, and I'll state it again: No nation needs these "morality laws," for any reason.

unless aliens threatened to blow up the world if we didnt have these laws

... Aliens? Really? Are you seriously using this to defend your arguments, or are you just joking around right now?

[Shie]

Regardless of the links, you've formed the opinion we need "morality laws" off of stuff like this, where others would just dismiss this and stick with the whole "let men and women do as they please." I've already stated this once, and I'll state it again: No nation needs these "morality laws," for any reason.

unless aliens threatened to blow up the world if we didnt have these laws

That's ridiculous but for arguments sake, how can a centralized world be susceptible to alien attack when society will be structured in a way resembling the military?

[Pandeeria]

unless aliens threatened to blow up the world if we didnt have these laws

... Aliens? Really? Are you seriously using this to defend your arguments, or are you just joking around right now?

That's the turning point where he concedes.

[Shie]

The problem with sexual libertinism is that it sets a culturally marxist precedent. I'm bothered that adultery is no longer a crime, I'm disgusted that premarital sex and divorce are actually considered to be normal occurrences.

What exactly do you mean by cultural marxism? Also is that something that could lead to economic marxism cause that's obviously bad.

Cultural Marxism is the destruction of all social institutions, gender-roles, the family, it's the conclusion of the left's social policy. It's why I'm economically left and socially right, the anti-libertarian, if you will.

[Pandeeria]

What exactly do you mean by cultural marxism? Also is that something that could lead to economic marxism cause that's obviously bad.

Cultural Marxism is the destruction of all social institutions, gender-roles, the family, it's the conclusion of the left's social implemention.

Why would we want to do that?

Why would we want to follow your system, Shie?

[Shie]

Why would we want to do that?

I'm against cultural marxism.

Why would we want to follow your system, Shie?

You'd want to follow my system to ensure that everyone has a chance to live a proper life. There is no reason why the majority of people aren't in happy marriages, there should be no reason why the majority of children aren't produced out of love.

I'm economic leftist, social conservative.

[Pandeeria]

Why would we want to do that?

I'm against cultural marxism.

Why would we want to follow your system, Shie?

You'd want to follow my system to ensure that everyone has a chance to live a proper life. There is no reason why the majority of people aren't in happy marriages, there should be no reason why the majority of children aren't produced out of love.

I'm economic leftist, social conservative.

You're system would make everyone a lot more miserable because no one can even have freedoms.

[Kiruri]

Why would we want to do that?

I'm against cultural marxism.

Why would we want to follow your system, Shie?

You'd want to follow my system to ensure that everyone has a chance to live a proper life. There is no reason why the majority of people aren't in happy marriages, there should be no reason why the majority of children aren't produced out of love.

I'm economic leftist, social conservative.

Well.... not everyone wants to live a scripted life.

[Divair2]

Says the man that doesn't understand what he is advocating to me.

I advocate a world-government with a 100% flat tax for all earners, abolishing classes. This state will provide all needs and necessities. Teachers go on strike today, asking for more money that the board of education won't give them. Scientists discuss ecology, the air is so polluted that it's hard to breath. Don't you get it? People make the world go round, bud. People are judged by the clothes they wear, the solution? A uniform. Young politicians fight for poverty while there is STILL inequality. We wouldn't need politicians if the state had the will to act on its own.

Somewhat original and somewhat funny. But far too obvious.

[Threlizdun]

You'd want to follow my system to ensure that everyone has a chance to live a proper life.

Your system doesn't allow this.

There is no reason why the majority of people aren't in happy marriages

By definition there has to be. I don't see how you could possibly argue otherwise unless you are about to propose that unhappiness is the natural state of human beings, which wouldn't seem terribly out of place with your supposed ideology.

there should be no reason why the majority of children aren't produced out of love.

Love doesn't produce children.

I'm economic leftist, social conservative.

No, the left represents the liberation of the individual and equality between all, concepts which you are fiercely opposed to. Conservatism is opposition to change and an attempt to maintain conditions in their present state. You are talking about establishing a hellish nightmare humanity has never before seen.

[Shie]

I'm against cultural marxism.

You'd want to follow my system to ensure that everyone has a chance to live a proper life. There is no reason why the majority of people aren't in happy marriages, there should be no reason why the majority of children aren't produced out of love.

I'm economic leftist, social conservative.

Well.... not everyone wants to live a scripted life.

Those who don't are small in amount and likely on the lunatic fringe, their desires are irrelevant to the common man who arranges the blocks. Most people live by a script. They're the kinds of people who dropped out of college because they thought it was "stupid." These are the people who don't have lawns and can't be sold lawnmowers, they lower their pants beyond their posteriors. There's always a small amount of people who don't join and check out of the game. What are we going to do? I think this way, you think that way, he thinks the way. We're going to herd together, mass produce, wear the same clothing, sensible clothing.

[Divair2]

Well.... not everyone wants to live a scripted life.

Those who don't are small in amount and likely on the lunatic fringe, their desires are irrelevant to the common man who arranges the blocks. Most people live by a script. They're the kinds of people who dropped out of college because they thought it was "stupid." These are the people who don't have lawns and can't be sold lawnmowers, they lower their pants beyond their posteriors. There's always a small amount of people who don't join and check out of the game. What are we going to do? I think this way, you think that way, he thinks the way. We're going to herd together, mass produce, wear the same clothing, sensible clothing.

No thanks.

[Threlizdun]

Well.... not everyone wants to live a scripted life.

Those who don't are small in amount and likely on the lunatic fringe, their desires are irrelevant to the common man who arranges the blocks. Most people live by a script. They're the kinds of people who dropped out of college because they thought it was "stupid." These are the people who don't have lawns and can't be sold lawnmowers, they lower their pants beyond their posteriors. There's always a small amount of people who don't join and check out of the game. What are we going to do? I think this way, you think that way, he thinks the way. We're going to herd together, mass produce, wear the same clothing, sensible clothing.

Yes, the fact that not a single person on here has wanted a scripted life does an excellent job to prove your point that only a fringe minority doesn't want it. I mean, we all hear about the protests in the street with people waving banners proclaiming "We want oppression!" and "I can't be trusted to make my own decisions!"

[Kiruri]

Well.... not everyone wants to live a scripted life.

Those who don't are small in amount and likely on the lunatic fringe, their desires are irrelevant to the common man who arranges the blocks. Most people live by a script. They're the kinds of people who dropped out of college because they thought it was "stupid." These are the people who don't have lawns and can't be sold lawnmowers, they lower their pants beyond their posteriors. There's always a small amount of people who don't join and check out of the game. What are we going to do? I think this way, you think that way, he thinks the way. We're going to herd together, mass produce, wear the same clothing, sensible clothing.

Ummm.... what!?

>:[ Call me a lunatic, but I'll be damned if I ever conform to loosing my personal freedoms and free will. No person in their right mind wants to live a scripted life. Those are the true lunatics

[Shie]

Those who don't are small in amount and likely on the lunatic fringe, their desires are irrelevant to the common man who arranges the blocks. Most people live by a script. They're the kinds of people who dropped out of college because they thought it was "stupid." These are the people who don't have lawns and can't be sold lawnmowers, they lower their pants beyond their posteriors. There's always a small amount of people who don't join and check out of the game. What are we going to do? I think this way, you think that way, he thinks the way. We're going to herd together, mass produce, wear the same clothing, sensible clothing.

Yes, the fact that not a single person on here has wanted a scripted life does an excellent job to prove your point that only a fringe minority doesn't want it. I mean, we all hear about the protests in the street with people waving banners proclaiming "We want oppression!" and "I can't be trusted to make my own decisions!"

I'm not arguing for oppression, I'm arguing for the freedom to be safe and sound. Only an extremely small minority of the world population are users of this website. What is said in opposition to my stance doesn't reflect the voice of the people in any meaningful sense.

[Kiruri]

Yes, the fact that not a single person on here has wanted a scripted life does an excellent job to prove your point that only a fringe minority doesn't want it. I mean, we all hear about the protests in the street with people waving banners proclaiming "We want oppression!" and "I can't be trusted to make my own decisions!"

I'm not arguing for oppression, I'm arguing for the freedom to be safe and sound. Only an extremely small minority of the world population are users of this website. What is said in opposition to my stance doesn't reflect the voice of the people in any meaningful sense.

I'm sorry, Mr. Voice-of-the-People. I forgot you're the personification of the people's desires... ¬¬

[Threlizdun]

Yes, the fact that not a single person on here has wanted a scripted life does an excellent job to prove your point that only a fringe minority doesn't want it. I mean, we all hear about the protests in the street with people waving banners proclaiming "We want oppression!" and "I can't be trusted to make my own decisions!"

I'm not arguing for oppression, I'm arguing for the freedom to be safe and sound. Only an extremely small minority of the world population are users of this website. What is said in opposition to my stance doesn't reflect the voice of the people in any meaningful sense.

We have everything on this site from anarchists to fascists, and not a single one has sided with you. As I have said, you do not see people arguing that they shouldn't have the right to make decisions for themselves. Go ahead and go out into the streets chanting your message. See if anyone does anything other than call you a lunatic.

[Shie]

I'm not arguing for oppression, I'm arguing for the freedom to be safe and sound. Only an extremely small minority of the world population are users of this website. What is said in opposition to my stance doesn't reflect the voice of the people in any meaningful sense.

I'm sorry, Mr. Voice-of-the-People. I forgot you're the personification of the people's desires... ¬¬

I'm the personification of what the people must have.

[Threlizdun]

I'm sorry, Mr. Voice-of-the-People. I forgot you're the personification of the people's desires... ¬¬

I'm the personification of what the people must have.

Someone doesn't have an inflated ego at all.