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Should virtue be required for females and males?

Yes, a girl worth true love is a good girl.
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No, girls can be naughty.
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Postby Shie » Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:33 pm

Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Shie wrote:What would the purpose for legalizing that?

To produce one child for every family.


And what if they don't want children or the woman is sterile?
The people will want to have children as they will be raised to believe that a family is a desirable thing to have. Whatever conditions that cause sterility can be prevented, yes? If sterility is inevitable then she can be replaced by one who is fertile.
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Postby Kiruri » Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:34 pm

Shie wrote:
Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
And what if they don't want children or the woman is sterile?
The people will want to have children as they will be raised to believe that a family is a desirable thing to have. Whatever conditions that cause a woman to be sterile can be prevented, yes? If sterility is inevitable then she can be replaced with someone fertile.

That sounds horrible! What lack of free will and other freedoms... I'm just glad this is all a pipe dream and an impossible future :)
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Postby Novia Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:36 pm

Shie wrote:
Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
And what if they don't want children or the woman is sterile?
The people will want to have children as they will be raised to believe that a family is a desirable thing to have. Whatever conditions that cause sterility can be prevented, yes? If sterility is inevitable then she can be replaced by one who is fertile.


And what if they don't want to get rid of her? Maybe they like her?

We aren't robots you know. Humans are highly advanced organisms in which no one human is the same. Ever. The only way to go through with what you want is if we suppressed human emotions.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:37 pm

Shie wrote:
Juggalo world wrote:I belive in two consenting people having sex, but not if one of them cheats if they are married thats just fucked up. Once you marry someone stay loyal to them, dont sneak off before your hunny moon and fuck someone else.
Consensual sex ought to solidify loyalty before the marital seal of approval unless those people weren't supposed to be together. If their actions were illegal then it doesn't matter whether or not they consent to those actions because their actions were still wrong.


So if it was illegal to argue for sexual/moral regulation...and you did...is it wrong? Your argument seems to say that what is illegal is wrong. Christianity was illegal, therefore wrong, correct? At least until it became legal. Your morality seems to be based on the idea that whatever the state says it good and anything it doesn't say is bad ....
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Postby Shie » Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:49 pm

Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:And what if they don't want to get rid of her? Maybe they like her?
That doesn't mean that they're incapable of liking someone else, logically someone with more appeal. A curvier woman with a more neotenous face that's got a waist noticeably smaller than her hips if that's what's in style. What would be more efficient for the a self-perpetuating state would be actually a preference for thin women so food can be effectively rationed among the populace.

We aren't robots you know. Humans are highly advanced organisms in which no one human is the same. Ever. The most reasonable way to go through with what you want is if we suppressed human emotions.
No, the only way to through with wife swapping would be operating human preferences to the point where a new wife might seem like what the doctor ordered.
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Postby The Flood » Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:51 pm

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Postby The New Sea Territory » Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:52 pm

Shie wrote:
Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:And what if they don't want to get rid of her? Maybe they like her?
That doesn't mean that they're incapable of liking someone else, logically someone with more appeal. A curvier woman with a more neotenous face that's got a waist noticeably smaller than her hips.

We aren't robots you know. Humans are highly advanced organisms in which no one human is the same. Ever. The only way to go through with what you want is if we suppressed human emotions.
No, the only way to through with wife swapping would be operating human preferences to the point where a new wife might seem like what the doctor ordered.


.........

Well. Duh....but most people want more than just curves. There's other factors involved....
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:52 pm

The Flood wrote:OP are you an agent of HYDRA


HEIL F**KING HYDRA!
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Postby Shie » Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:58 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Shie wrote:That doesn't mean that they're incapable of liking someone else, logically someone with more appeal. A curvier woman with a more neotenous face that's got a waist noticeably smaller than her hips.

No, the only way to through with wife swapping would be operating human preferences to the point where a new wife might seem like what the doctor ordered.


.........

Well. Duh....but most people want more than just curves. There's other factors involved....

Factors that can be manipulated.

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Postby God Kefka » Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:58 pm

Shie = Johnny Depp?
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Postby Novia Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:59 pm

Shie wrote:
Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:And what if they don't want to get rid of her? Maybe they like her?
That doesn't mean that they're incapable of liking someone else, logically someone with more appeal. A curvier woman with a more neotenous face that's got a waist noticeably smaller than her hips if that's what's in style. What would be more efficient for the a self-perpetuating state would be actually a preference for thin women so food can be effectively rationed among the populace.

We aren't robots you know. Humans are highly advanced organisms in which no one human is the same. Ever. The most reasonable way to go through with what you want is if we suppressed human emotions.
No, the only way to through with wife swapping would be operating human preferences to the point where a new wife might seem like what the doctor ordered.


Which brings us back to the first question. What if they don't want to and like being with them?
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Postby Shie » Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:02 pm

Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Shie wrote:That doesn't mean that they're incapable of liking someone else, logically someone with more appeal. A curvier woman with a more neotenous face that's got a waist noticeably smaller than her hips if that's what's in style. What would be more efficient for the a self-perpetuating state would be actually a preference for thin women so food can be effectively rationed among the populace.

No, the only way to through with wife swapping would be operating human preferences to the point where a new wife might seem like what the doctor ordered.


Which brings us back to the first question. What if they don't want to and like being with them?
If what they want is in conflict with what they should want then they can also be replaced with a more masculine man.
Furthest to the left = Ideal male facial template.
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The right being the ideal female template.
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Postby Mini Miehm » Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:03 pm

Shie wrote:
Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:And what if they don't want to get rid of her? Maybe they like her?
That doesn't mean that they're incapable of liking someone else, logically someone with more appeal. A curvier woman with a more neotenous face that's got a waist noticeably smaller than her hips if that's what's in style. What would be more efficient for the a self-perpetuating state would be actually a preference for thin women so food can be effectively rationed among the populace.

We aren't robots you know. Humans are highly advanced organisms in which no one human is the same. Ever. The most reasonable way to go through with what you want is if we suppressed human emotions.
No, the only way to through with wife swapping would be operating human preferences to the point where a new wife might seem like what the doctor ordered.


Are you insane? Cause I read what you post, and all I see is "I'm a freaking lunatic, feel free to disregard everything I say."
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Postby Novia Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:05 pm

Shie wrote:
Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Which brings us back to the first question. What if they don't want to and like being with them?
If what they want is in conflict with what they should want then they can also be replaced with a more masculine man.


Why should they want that though? How do you know what each human should want?

Personal preference good sir. For instance, I like pineapple and some people don't like pineapple.
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Postby Shie » Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:07 pm

Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Shie wrote:If what they want is in conflict with what they should want then they can also be replaced with a more masculine man.


Why should they want that though? How do you know what each human should want?

Personal preference good sir. For instance, I like pineapple and some people don't like pineapple.

Personal preferences can be changed and likely will if a government needed them to, if the preferences of someone can't be altered, they're immature.

Furthest to the left = Ideal male facial template.
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The right being the ideal female template.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:08 pm

Shie wrote:
Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Why should they want that though? How do you know what each human should want?

Personal preference good sir. For instance, I like pineapple and some people don't like pineapple.

Personal preferences can be changed and likely will if a government needed them to, if the preferences of someone can't be altered, they're immature.


How would one go about altering personal preference? Why should they be altered? I find the face on the left one of the uglier faces.
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Mini Miehm
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Postby Mini Miehm » Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:09 pm

Shie wrote:
Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Why should they want that though? How do you know what each human should want?

Personal preference good sir. For instance, I like pineapple and some people don't like pineapple.

Personal preferences can be changed and likely will if a government needed them to, if the preferences of someone can't be altered, they're immature.

Furthest to the left = Ideal male facial template.
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The right being the ideal female template.


I dunno, all three in the middle look pretty cute to me.
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Postby Shie » Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:11 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Shie wrote:Personal preferences can be changed and likely will if a government needed them to, if the preferences of someone can't be altered, they're immature.


How would one go about altering personal preference? I find the face on the left one of the uglier faces.
Females exposed to high estrogen in the womb and during puberty are attracted to males exposed to high testosterone in the womb and during puberty. The more masculine the man, the more feminine his taste in women. The more feminine the woman, the more masculine her taste in man. For males this preference is generally consistent while for women, this depends on her month cycle.

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Postby Mollary » Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:11 pm

Mini Miehm wrote:
Shie wrote:Personal preferences can be changed and likely will if a government needed them to, if the preferences of someone can't be altered, they're immature.

Furthest to the left = Ideal male facial template.
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The right being the ideal female template.


I dunno, all three in the middle look pretty cute to me.

That's funny, I had exactly the same thought. But yeah, personal preference would take a hell of an effort to change, and some people can't be changed, most, actually, they can just be told to put on a certain exterior to it all.
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Postby Pandeeria » Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:11 pm

Shie wrote:
Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Why should they want that though? How do you know what each human should want?

Personal preference good sir. For instance, I like pineapple and some people don't like pineapple.

Personal preferences can be changed and likely will if a government needed them to, if the preferences of someone can't be altered, they're immature.

Furthest to the left = Ideal male facial template.
Image
The right being the ideal female template.


Why are you such an oppressive, tyrannical, pro-totalitarian person in the first place?
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Novia Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:16 pm

Shie wrote:
Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Why should they want that though? How do you know what each human should want?

Personal preference good sir. For instance, I like pineapple and some people don't like pineapple.

Personal preferences can be changed and likely will if a government needed them to, if the preferences of someone can't be altered, they're immature.

Furthest to the left = Ideal male facial template.
Image
The right being the ideal female template.


They're ideal in YOUR opinion and probably some others opinion. Everyone has personal taste that would require some pretty high tech brain reprogramming equipment that doesn't exist to change someones opinion on this kind of thing.
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Postby Des-Bal » Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:18 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Why are you such an oppressive, tyrannical, pro-totalitarian person in the first place?


Better question: why are you still taking him seriously?
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Postby Pandeeria » Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:21 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
Why are you such an oppressive, tyrannical, pro-totalitarian person in the first place?


Better question: why are you still taking him seriously?


I really do not know at this point.

He dodges questions so easily it boggles my mind. He replies to critisms with uber-vague, ultra-complicated statements. Sometimes he'll single handily change the entire topic of conversation. I'm at the point where I think I'm just going to disregard him as a troll and move on.
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Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:31 pm

Shie wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
How would one go about altering personal preference? I find the face on the left one of the uglier faces.
Females exposed to high estrogen in the womb and during puberty are attracted to males exposed to high testosterone in the womb and during puberty. The more masculine the man, the more feminine his taste in women. The more feminine the woman, the more masculine her taste in man. For males this preference is generally consistent while for women, this depends on her month cycle.


Source please.
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Postby Des-Bal » Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:31 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
I really do not know at this point.

He dodges questions so easily it boggles my mind. He replies to critisms with uber-vague, ultra-complicated statements. Sometimes he'll single handily change the entire topic of conversation.


Yeah, because he doesn't have a coherent understanding of the issue and he's mistaken being radical for being informed. There are a lot of people like that, don't bother with them. If you laid down a copy of 1984 and yelled at it you would achieve the same thing .
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