Sexuality, Human Expression, and Personhood

[Pandeeria]

I advocate a world-government with a 100% flat tax for all earners, abolishing classes. This state will provide all needs and necessities. Teachers go on strike today, asking for more money that the board of education won't give them. Scientists discuss ecology, the air is so polluted that it's hard to breath. Don't you get it? People make the world go round, bud. People are judged by the clothes they wear, the solution? A uniform. Young politicians fight for poverty while there is STILL inequality. We wouldn't need politicians if the state had the will to act on its own.

You are advocating the destruction of humanity as a way to save it.

He seems to have good intentions too. He just doesn't understand the massive scale of implications his ideal system would have.

[Totally Not Leningrad Union]

Says the man that doesn't understand what he is advocating to me.

I advocate a world-government with a 100% flat tax for all earners, abolishing classes. This state will provide all needs and necessities. Teachers go on strike today, asking for more money that the board of education won't give them. Scientists discuss ecology, the air is so polluted that it's hard to breath. Don't you get it? People make the world go round, bud. People are judged by the clothes they wear, the solution? A uniform. Young politicians fight for poverty while there is STILL inequality. We wouldn't need politicians if the state had the will to act on its own.

That's one of the worst ideas that I have ever heard in my entire life.

[Seperates]

Really, it took that long?

Yep.

I mean, you aren't even insane. There must be some trolls who pass by here with high-minded ideals that are completely and utterly out of left field.

[Kiruri]

I advocate a world-government with a 100% flat tax for all earners, abolishing classes. This state will provide all needs and necessities. Teachers go on strike today, asking for more money that the board of education won't give them. Scientists discuss ecology, the air is so polluted that it's hard to breath. Don't you get it? People make the world go round, bud. People are judged by the clothes they wear, the solution? A uniform. Young politicians fight for poverty while there is STILL inequality. We wouldn't need politicians if the state had the will to act on its own.

That's one of the worst ideas that I have ever heard in my entire life.

I agree. xP

[Threlizdun]

You are advocating the destruction of humanity as a way to save it.

Destruction of humanity not so much.

Destruction of modern society yeah pretty much.

They are calling for a world in which individuals do not exist and out most basic human desires are suppressed. I can't see it as anything less than the destruction of that which makes us human.

[CTALNH]

Yep.

I mean, you aren't even insane. There must be some trolls who pass by here with high-minded ideals that are completely and utterly out of left field.

I am not a troll?

I do not understand what your writing?

[CTALNH]

Destruction of humanity not so much.

Destruction of modern society yeah pretty much.

They are calling for a world in which individuals do not exist and out most basic human desires are suppressed. I can't see it as anything less than the destruction of that which makes us human.

That would require brain chips or nerve gas.

[Seperates]

Really, it took that long?

Y'know, I wanted the believe he was politically rational and just didn't like sexuality. But after his posts about how you don't own you're body and the world government with 100% flat tax rate I honestly cannot argue otherwise.

Well, he is being 'rational' (whatever that means), as in what he says makes sense. It's just not at all practical or, when you look at it closely, in line with his OP-stated goal of decreasing human objectification and increasing human 'virtue'.

[Seperates]

I mean, you aren't even insane. There must be some trolls who pass by here with high-minded ideals that are completely and utterly out of left field.

I am not a troll?

I do not understand what your writing?

Nah. Just an idealist in my mind. I could be wrong though. *laughs* I mean, this could be a bridge I am standing on.

[Pandeeria]

Destruction of humanity not so much.

Destruction of modern society yeah pretty much.

They are calling for a world in which individuals do not exist and out most basic human desires are suppressed. I can't see it as anything less than the destruction of that which makes us human.

All serve the Party and BB!

[CTALNH]

I am not a troll?

I do not understand what your writing?

Nah. Just an idealist in my mind. I could be wrong though. *laughs* I mean, this could be a bridge I am standing on.

I think the more I read of what your writing the more I lose my cognitive understanding of English.

No offence.

[Santa Lucania]

Everyone's morals are different so setting up laws saying some are good and others aren't goes against our freedom of thought. So what if were more sexual open? It's not like anyone's dying over it this is just the natural progression in society. 200 years from now we might once again become a prudish culture but right now we're experiencing a more sexually open culture.

[Seperates]

Nah. Just an idealist in my mind. I could be wrong though. *laughs* I mean, this could be a bridge I am standing on.

I think the more I read of what your writing the more I lose my cognitive understanding of English.

No offence.

Hmmm... Well, this sucks since I am a native English speaker/writer and normally this is my strong suite.

Do you mean I write badly, or I'm just not forming my sentences in a logical fashion?

[Shie]

I don't think you understand the economic importance of currency and classes. Also a world-governemnt is a silly, and not to mention horrible, idea.
All right, lets start here. Why do human beings need currency and classes if their needs are already given to them?

Eww. I am a Liberal Socialist. I am for the State providing basic things for free to the poor like basic food and water, cheap clothes, small little houses, etc. But providing everything? That will lead to inefficiency and corruption.This would also be optimal conditions for a police state.

First, why is a police-state a bad thing? Also, how would the state providing all neccessities for it's people lead to inefficiency if currency doesn't come into play as a deciding factor in public policy?

God no. Stop being tyrannical.

I'm willing to concede as long as I understand your perspective.

The state is a bunch of politicians. Without politicians there cannot be a state.

The role of politicians depend on the times and form of government.

I must say, you are arguably, one of the most authoritarian, oppressive people I've personally chatted with. When it comes to authoritarianism, you're up there with Stalin and Mussolini.

When Mussolini rose to power his critical mistake was not dismantling the monarchy and foolishly allowed private enterprise in Italy. Stalin removed religion, rather than replaced it. I'm different Stalin and Mussolini and would've made different decisions in their places.

[Pandeeria]

I don't think you understand the economic importance of currency and classes. Also a world-governemnt is a silly, and not to mention horrible, idea.
All right, lets start here. Why do human beings need currency and classes if their needs are already given to them?
First, why is a police-state a bad thing? Also, how would the state providing all neccessities for it's people lead to inefficiency if currency doesn't come into play as a deciding factor in public policy?

I'm willing to concede as long as I understand your perspective.
The role of politicians depend on the times and form of government.

When Mussolini rose to power his critical mistake was not dismantling the monarchy and foolishly allowed private enterprise in Italy. Stalin removed religion, rather than replaced it. I'm different Stalin and Mussolini and would've made different decisions in their places.

You're still oppressive.

[CTALNH]

I think the more I read of what your writing the more I lose my cognitive understanding of English.

No offence.

Hmmm... Well, this sucks since I am a native English speaker/writer and normally this is my strong suite.

Do you mean I write badly, or I'm just not forming my sentences in a logical fashion?

1.First who are you referring to us an idealist
2.Why are you wrong?
3.I suppose standing on a bridge means what exactly?

[Vicious Debaters]

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Says the man that doesn't understand what he is advocating to me.

I advocate a world-government with a 100% flat tax for all earners, abolishing classes. This state will provide all needs and necessities. Teachers go on strike today, asking for more money that the board of education won't give them. Scientists discuss ecology, the air is so polluted that it's hard to breath. Don't you get it? People make the world go round, bud. People are judged by the clothes they wear, the solution? A uniform. Young politicians fight for poverty while there is STILL inequality. We wouldn't need politicians if the state had the will to act on its own.

Sounds vaguely maniacal. When you plan to build an earth-destroying laser, go ahead and invite me.

Seriously, a 100% flat tax for earners? Mandatory uniforms? See, this is just an ill-conceived notion. And you're even admitting that it would cause chaos.

While I think that a more socialistic government is better at handling poverty you can never forget the the state is run for the people, not the people being run for the state.

[Seperates]

I don't think you understand the economic importance of currency and classes. Also a world-governemnt is a silly, and not to mention horrible, idea.
All right, lets start here. Why do human beings need currency and classes if their needs are already given to them?
First, why is a police-state a bad thing? Also, how would the state providing all neccessities for it's people lead to inefficiency if currency doesn't come into play as a deciding factor in public policy?

I'm willing to concede as long as I understand your perspective.
The role of politicians depend on the times and form of government.

When Mussolini rose to power his critical mistake was not dismantling the monarchy and foolishly allowed private enterprise in Italy. Stalin removed religion, rather than replaced it. I'm different Stalin and Mussolini and would've made different decisions in their places.

Mmmhmm... But this statement doesn't address any of his concerns with your argument. Why are you insisting on criticizing the validity of a simile rather than addressing the actual substance of his writing?

[Shie]

When Mussolini rose to power his critical mistake was not dismantling the monarchy and foolishly allowed private enterprise in Italy. Stalin removed religion, rather than replaced it. I'm different Stalin and Mussolini and would've made different decisions in their places.

You're still oppressive.

No, globalist totalitarian.

[Seperates]

Hmmm... Well, this sucks since I am a native English speaker/writer and normally this is my strong suite.

Do you mean I write badly, or I'm just not forming my sentences in a logical fashion?

1.First who are you referring to us an idealist
2.Why are you wrong?
3.I suppose standing on a bridge means what exactly?

1. You. And I suppose him (Shie) as well, but that is pushing it.
2. I could be in thinking of you as an idealist and not just a troll.
3. Because I could be wrong about you being an idealist, I could be standing on a bridge and you could be under it, 'trolling' me.

[Pandeeria]

You're still oppressive.

No, totalitarian.

Totalitarianism is the best climate for oppression. Oppression is inherent in Totalitarianism.

[CTALNH]

1.First who are you referring to us an idealist
2.Why are you wrong?
3.I suppose standing on a bridge means what exactly?

1. You. And I suppose him (Shie) as well, but that is pushing it.
2. I could be in thinking of you as an idealist and not just a troll.
3. Because I could be wrong about you being an idealist, I could be standing on a bridge and you could be under it, 'trolling' me.

Yeah pass the bridge I am a idealist with radical ideas nothing more.

[Seperates]

1. You. And I suppose him (Shie) as well, but that is pushing it.
2. I could be in thinking of you as an idealist and not just a troll.
3. Because I could be wrong about you being an idealist, I could be standing on a bridge and you could be under it, 'trolling' me.

Yeah pass the bridge I am a idealist with radical ideas nothing more.

Glad we could clear that up.

[Pandeeria]

You're still oppressive.

No, globalist totalitarian.

It would be nice if you actually addressed my other criticisms.

[Shie]

No, totalitarian.

Totalitarianism is the best climate for oppression. Oppression is inherent in Totalitarianism.

Actually, the authoritarian regimes are oppressive while the totalitarian states are not because authoritarian regimes allow the leader to be an individual. Totalitarianism is form of government that permits no individual freedom to subordinate all aspects of the individual’s life to the authority of the government, including the 'leaders of government.