Sexuality, Human Expression, and Personhood

[Liriena]

I've read your sources. They don't say what you want them to say.

What did they say to you?

"Obama is the antichrist and he wants to take your guns!" I'd wager.

[Des-Bal]

Right, that's what you keep saying, but we all know you're wrong.

Do you have any data to support your claims?

I'm not arguing anything positive. I'm saying data doesn't support an idea and I won't back it until it does.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Right, that's what you keep saying, but we all know you're wrong.

Do you have any data to support your claims?

I'm not arguing anything positive. I'm saying data doesn't support an idea and I won't back it until it does.

Ah, I see. You have no way of backing your claim. Ok, got it.

[Norstal]

Except the article has scientifically proven data. Check it's sources. It's not what I want to believe. It's there, clear as day. You, however, don't wish to see. Burden of proof is on you, bub.

No it doesn't. I asked you to provide it and you've failed to. You're evidence is what certain people say is true and you're operating in the complete absence of evidence.

Yes. Nana linked to a wiki article with relevant sources with what certain people said.

I can't believe you're dismissing her entire evidence just because she didn't wrote all of those publications. Absurd.

[Des-Bal]

What data do you want to see? A scientific consensus? Personal opinion?

http://www.transchristians.org/book/boo ... d-intersex

Numbers? Show me EXACLTY why intesex people can't be classified as male or female. Show me EXACLTY why someone can be 1. perfectly between male and female or 2. completely apart from that continuum.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

No it doesn't. I asked you to provide it and you've failed to. You're evidence is what certain people say is true and you're operating in the complete absence of evidence.

Yes. Nana linked to a wiki article with relevant sources with what certain people said.

I can't believe you're dismissing her entire evidence just because she didn't wrote all of those publications. Absurd.

And he didn't have to just take the article at face value. He could also check all the sources used to write it. But you know, it's easier to say I'm wrong than to actually read a source. He's doing the same thing to Liriena, who also provided him with sources.

[Des-Bal]

Yes. Nana linked to a wiki article with relevant sources with what certain people said.

I can't believe you're dismissing her entire evidence just because she didn't wrote all of those publications. Absurd.

Oh you poor boy that's not at all why I'm dismissing it. I'm dismissing it because it doesn't say what she wants it to.

[Des-Bal]

And he didn't have to just take the article at face value. He could also check all the sources used to write it. But you know, it's easier to say I'm wrong than to actually read a source. He's doing the same thing to Liriena, who also provided him with sources.

I've read through the sources, that's not the issue. The issue is you're trying to use sources that don't back up your argument.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

And he didn't have to just take the article at face value. He could also check all the sources used to write it. But you know, it's easier to say I'm wrong than to actually read a source. He's doing the same thing to Liriena, who also provided him with sources.

I've read through the sources, that's not the issue. The issue is you're trying to use sources that don't back up your argument.

You keep saying that, yes. However, will you provide us with evidence to sustain your own claims?

[Kelinfort]

What data do you want to see? A scientific consensus? Personal opinion?

http://www.transchristians.org/book/boo ... d-intersex

Numbers? Show me EXACLTY why intesex people can't be classified as male or female. Show me EXACLTY why someone can be 1. perfectly between male and female or 2. completely apart from that continuum.

This is the problem: you cannot provide literal data numbers to show that an individual can be in between male and female or androgynous. There would need to be a measurable factor, much like the Kinsey scale. Self perception is the best barometer we have, it is the best determiner of gender. Binary gender cannot be measured either, as chromosomal diseases later bodily function and appearance.

[Liriena]

Right, that's what you keep saying, but we all know you're wrong.

Do you have any data to support your claims?

I'm not arguing anything positive. I'm saying data doesn't support an idea and I won't back it until it does.

Then I don't see any reason to pander to your pedantery and attention whoring any further.

Off to listen to Sondheim's Pacific Overtures I go.

[Des-Bal]

You keep saying that, yes. However, will you provide us with evidence to sustain your own claims?

My claim is that I'm not believing your thing without evidence and you don't have any.

[Des-Bal]

"Obama is the antichrist and he wants to take your guns!" I'd wager.

Venture into the realm of caricatures, please. It will assure me it's not my fault that you're behaving childishly.

[Des-Bal]

This is the problem: you cannot provide literal data numbers to show that an individual can be in between male and female or androgynous. There would need to be a measurable factor, much like the Kinsey scale. Self perception is the best barometer we have, it is the best determiner of gender. Binary gender cannot be measured either, as chromosomal diseases later bodily function and appearance.

See the problem with self-selection is that people are people and therefore fucking stupid. Someone saying "I'm this thing" doesn't make it true. Why exactly is someone saying "I don't have a gender" more right than someone saying "I talk to god?"

[Norstal]

Yes. Nana linked to a wiki article with relevant sources with what certain people said.

I can't believe you're dismissing her entire evidence just because she didn't wrote all of those publications. Absurd.

Oh you poor boy that's not at all why I'm dismissing it. I'm dismissing it because it doesn't say what she wants it to.

Again, what do you think it says?

[Des-Bal]

Then I don't see any reason to pander to your pedantery and attention whoring any further.

Off to listen to Sondheim's Pacific Overtures I go.

If you don't see a reason to "pander" to someone looking solely for actual evidence I am quite pleased you're no longer going to impede discussion.

[Nomadic sister of shawnas north africa]

O sorry wrong topic.

[Des-Bal]

Again, what do you think it says?

"This is an idea."

The wikipedia articles say "this is a thing that people say."They don't offer any explanation as to why it should be true. They don't offer any explanation as to why that one definition is better than another.

[Kelinfort]

This is the problem: you cannot provide literal data numbers to show that an individual can be in between male and female or androgynous. There would need to be a measurable factor, much like the Kinsey scale. Self perception is the best barometer we have, it is the best determiner of gender. Binary gender cannot be measured either, as chromosomal diseases later bodily function and appearance.

See the problem with self-selection is that people are people and therefore fucking stupid. Someone saying "I'm this thing" doesn't make it true. Why exactly is someone saying "I don't have a gender" more right than someone saying "I talk to god?"

Actually, yes. Why you ask? People can measure attraction to other genders as well as their own perceived gender. If they feel no such attraction, they may still in drift as their gender or none at all. Physical and mental being transcend two categories because these two genders are stereotypes. Such qualities as masculinity and femininity are not mutually exclusive.

Insanity can also be measured, determining that the voice of god is actually the mind.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Sexually is haraam bad to me I'm hijab and today's society is mindless the male and female counterparts .still the bases of life or lifestyle evolution around sexual midstream In, media around the world. Today as earlier as 10 I! Was told by parents ( mum ) And antes and Grandmother to honor your husband and love your self and children now that I'm a adult I seem to live by that teaching. It's forbidden In society In Islam yet the Muslim hijab still sees harassment In Africa and the Middle East.

I'm terribly sorry but I'm not sure I can follow you. Are you saying that the hijab receives a lot of hate around the world but that you like it because it is culturally a part of who you are and how you were raised?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Again, what do you think it says?

"This is an idea."

The wikipedia articles say "this is a thing that people say."They don't offer any explanation as to why it should be true. They don't offer any explanation as to why that one definition is better than another.

You're dismissing an entire article with sources based on that?! Oh wow.

[Des-Bal]

Actually, yes. Why you ask? People can measure attraction to other genders as well as their own perceived gender. If they feel no such attraction, they may still in drift as their gender or none at all. Physical and mental being transcend two categories because these two genders are stereotypes. Such qualities as masculinity and femininity are not mutually exclusive.

Yeah no to that second thing. You're making a claim. Demonstrate it as logically true or back it with evidence.

[Liriena]

It will assure me it's not my fault that you're behaving childishly.

So, on top of pedantic, you are also unwilling to own the consequences of your acts? Wow... that's an all new low.

[Des-Bal]

You're dismissing an entire article with sources based on that?! Oh wow.

I'm not dismissing the article I'm dismissing your argument. Your argument is not substantiated by your source. That is the problem.

[Des-Bal]

So, on top of pedantic, you are also unwilling to own the consequences of your acts? Wow... that's an all new low.

I'm not being pedantic I'm being clear. I also find it interesting that you respond to accusations of childish behavior by holding me accountable for your actions.