What is the Best Form of Communism?

[Kelinfort]

None of them.

Nordic Model Gogogogogogo

See even Tofu agrees that the Nordic Model is the best.

You think Nordic model is best?

[Cyyro]

Considering the NSDAP was based on right-wing, authoritarian, anti-semitism while the other is based on different forms of Christianity, has been around a lot longer, has a very high variety in members, and has done good.

Catholic Church didn't any good. Or better to say, good things are highly overshadowed by darkness of crusades, retrograde, corrupted policy, inquisitors sometimes even worse than any Sturmbannfuhrer SS and more than often power-hungry overzealous Popes, Cardinals and Bishops. And only because they couldn't stop People to destroy them now, they play nice.

just a note: LOL, and what do you think is typical Catholic priest? Right-wing, authoritarian and anti-semite. like i said, they just play nice today, because they know their times of power are away.

so they at least try to have everything what they took from People in previous times.
I don't buy their game.

The last two Popes have showed up left-wing authoritarian.Your point...is invalid.

[Constantinopolis]

You didn't read everything there, didn't you?

There is difference between organisation and people. I dont blame catholics, I blame catholic church.

Have you read my earlier posts? Here, I will quote the most important one for you:

The classical Marxist opposition to religion was always a mistake.

It is a mistake for ideological and philosophical reasons, because (most) religions share the Marxist desire to have a collectivist society based upon some form of solidarity and brotherhood. Most religions are against greed, selfishness, luxury, and many other key aspects of capitalism. Most religions say that people have a duty to help those less fortunate, which cuts directly against the liberal capitalist belief in individualism.

It is also a mistake for strategic reasons. By opposing religion, Marxists made a lot of enemies out of people who should have been allies. Imagine if Marxism never opposed religion in Poland, for example! It is foolish to fight a war on multiple fronts when we should be focusing all our energy on one enemy: capitalism.

Example of the second issue: I am a very, VERY strong supporter of communism. I want to nationalize all the means of production and have a planned economy, and I will settle for nothing less. I am also an Orthodox Christian. We should be working together, in the same party. But if you try to attack my Church, I will have to fight you. I won't like it, but I will have to do it. And our enemies, the capitalists, will win.

[Vazdania]

See even Tofu agrees that the Nordic Model is the best.

You think Nordic model is best?

In regards to Collective bargaining to establish a wage? Yes. That's quite frankly what I just discussed. The state has little to no say in what goes on, its done by the unions and the corporation.

[Cyyro]

Example of the second issue: I am a very, VERY strong supporter of communism. I want to nationalize all the means of production and have a planned economy, and I will settle for nothing less. I am also an Orthodox Christian. We should be working together, in the same party. But if you try to attack my Church, I will have to fight you. I won't like it, but I will have to do it. And our enemies, the capitalists, will win.

Jeez, Constantinople is already in a tough state, and you want to ruin it even more? I doubt Constantine XI and all the people in the Hagia Sofia will spring out when you arrive.

[Socialist Czechia]

Let people praying is something different from let people yelling on others nearby Abortion Clinics that they go in Hell and they should die painfully.

Yeah. Those are called protests. You want those to be illegal too?

There is difference between normal peaceful legit protest expressing concern about something and protest of yelling angry mob throwing rocks like we were in times of Roman Empire.

And because from religious protests I see mostly yelling crazy nuts, so category two, my opinion stands.

[Constantinopolis]

Jeez, Constantinople is already in a tough state, and you want to ruin it even more? I doubt Constantine XI and all the people in the Hagia Sofia will spring out when you arrive.

Hehehe. +1

In all seriousness, though, I'm not some kind of irredentist (and I'm not even Greek). Istanbul is Turkish. Although it would be nice to have Hagia Sophia back, it's hard to find a justification for that when the Orthodox population in the city is so small that hardly anyone would use it.

[Socialist Czechia]

Catholic Church didn't any good. Or better to say, good things are highly overshadowed by darkness of crusades, retrograde, corrupted policy, inquisitors sometimes even worse than any Sturmbannfuhrer SS and more than often power-hungry overzealous Popes, Cardinals and Bishops. And only because they couldn't stop People to destroy them now, they play nice.

just a note: LOL, and what do you think is typical Catholic priest? Right-wing, authoritarian and anti-semite. like i said, they just play nice today, because they know their times of power are away.

so they at least try to have everything what they took from People in previous times.
I don't buy their game.

The last two Popes have showed up left-wing authoritarian.Your point...is invalid.

Merely figureheads to look nice. Valid.

[Regnum Dominae]

Yeah. Those are called protests. You want those to be illegal too?

There is difference between normal peaceful legit protest expressing concern about something and protest of yelling angry mob throwing rocks like we were in times of Roman Empire.

And because from religious protests I see mostly yelling crazy nuts, so category two, my opinion stands.

I'm getting the sense that you basically want religion to be treated similar to how it was under Hoxhaist Albania.

Which was a terrible, terrible experiment that must never be repeated.

[Hyfling]

Capitalism.

[Thafoo]

None of them.

Nordic Model Gogogogogogo

^This.

You think Nordic model is best?

In regards to Collective bargaining to establish a wage? Yes. That's quite frankly what I just discussed. The state has little to no say in what goes on, its done by the unions and the corporation.

Now, let us eat the traditional Lutefisk of the Nords, and pray dearly that the lye has been properly drained.

[Cyyro]

Yeah. Those are called protests. You want those to be illegal too?

There is difference between normal peaceful legit protest expressing concern about something and protest of yelling angry mob throwing rocks like we were in times of Roman Empire.

And because from religious protests I see mostly yelling crazy nuts, so category two, my opinion stands.

Let's see here, let's go on google and define protest. Ah yes: "a statement or action expressing disapproval of or objection to something."

Yeah, religious people at abortion clinics are protestors and they are doing a protest. Also, angry mobs and throwing rocks are still quite modern, have you seen the Middle East recently?

[Vettrera]

Any form where I end up on top

[Vazdania]

^This.

In regards to Collective bargaining to establish a wage? Yes. That's quite frankly what I just discussed. The state has little to no say in what goes on, its done by the unions and the corporation.

Now, let us eat the traditional Lutefisk of the Nords, and pray dearly that the lye has been properly drained.

FUCK YEA!!!

*bows head in prayer* Herre, vi ber att lut är ordentligt dränerad, amen.

[Cyyro]

Jeez, Constantinople is already in a tough state, and you want to ruin it even more? I doubt Constantine XI and all the people in the Hagia Sofia will spring out when you arrive.

Hehehe. +1

In all seriousness, though, I'm not some kind of irredentist (and I'm not even Greek). Istanbul is Turkish. Although it would be nice to have Hagia Sophia back, it's hard to find a justification for that when the Orthodox population in the city is so small that hardly anyone would use it.

Wow, didn't think you would get the legend I was referencing

[Socialist Czechia]

Example of the second issue: I am a very, VERY strong supporter of communism. I want to nationalize all the means of production and have a planned economy, and I will settle for nothing less. I am also an Orthodox Christian. We should be working together, in the same party. But if you try to attack my Church, I will have to fight you. I won't like it, but I will have to do it. And our enemies, the capitalists, will win.

I am from already Atheist society, what is, by my opinion, example for every other nation, so if there will be socialist republic and you will try to built Orthodox temple, we would be enemies.
In other case, I will just keep criticise you internationally to be nice on parasitic and destructive element of society, covered in blood of all people.

[Constantinopolis]

Merely figureheads to look nice. Valid.

Some Catholic priests in Latin America have suffered torture and death for the proletarian cause, at the hands of military dictatorships. The red flag is coloured by the blood of many martyrs, of all faiths.

[Socialist Czechia]

There is difference between normal peaceful legit protest expressing concern about something and protest of yelling angry mob throwing rocks like we were in times of Roman Empire.

And because from religious protests I see mostly yelling crazy nuts, so category two, my opinion stands.

I'm getting the sense that you basically want religion to be treated similar to how it was under Hoxhaist Albania.

Which was a terrible, terrible experiment that must never be repeated.

Nope. In phase 1 all property of Church nationalised, in phase 2 ignore them completely.
Don't ban Church, don't ban praying or priesting. I personally would do it, but take them just property back to People and keep ignoring them is much better strategy.
That's enough. Just wait a few decades, you will see it's working.

[Vazdania]

I'm getting the sense that you basically want religion to be treated similar to how it was under Hoxhaist Albania.

Which was a terrible, terrible experiment that must never be repeated.

Nope. In phase 1 all property of Church nationalised, in phase 2 ignore them completely.
Don't ban Church, don't ban praying or priesting. I personally would do it, but take them just property back to People and keep ignoring them is much better strategy.
That's enough. Just wait a few decades, you will see it's working.

"Phase 1: Steal all your property" "Phase 2: Ignore you"

[United Marxist Nations]

There is difference between normal peaceful legit protest expressing concern about something and protest of yelling angry mob throwing rocks like we were in times of Roman Empire.

And because from religious protests I see mostly yelling crazy nuts, so category two, my opinion stands.

I'm getting the sense that you basically want religion to be treated similar to how it was under Hoxhaist Albania.

Which was a terrible, terrible experiment that must never be repeated.

Do you have a problem with getting rid of a medieval justice system that treated women as property, drastically increasing the literacy rate, as well as life-expectancy? Because all those happened in Hoxhaist Albania.

[Royal Imperious]

How about no communism? Genocidal pigs.

[Thafoo]

Genocidal pigs.

-said the National Socialist.

[Vazdania]

Genocidal pigs.

-said the National Socialist.

Did that seriously just happen? For reals? like seriously????

[Constantinopolis]

Example of the second issue: I am a very, VERY strong supporter of communism. I want to nationalize all the means of production and have a planned economy, and I will settle for nothing less. I am also an Orthodox Christian. We should be working together, in the same party. But if you try to attack my Church, I will have to fight you. I won't like it, but I will have to do it. And our enemies, the capitalists, will win.

I am from already Atheist society, what is, by my opinion, example for every other nation, so if there will be socialist republic and you will try to built Orthodox temple, we would be enemies.
In other case, I will just keep criticise you internationally to be nice on parasitic and destructive element of society, covered in blood of all people.

Are you from the Czech Republic? From the statistics I've seen, it's one of the most atheist societies in Europe, yeah... which means that a struggle against religion is pointless, since the "enemy", for the most part, doesn't exist.

Even if you think religion is bad, you must admit that spending energy to fight against it - and making enemies like myself along the way, who should be your allies instead - is simply counter-productive.

I mean, for example, I think homeopathy is an insidious lie that deceives people and ruins their health and lives. Am I going to make a political issue out of that? Of course not. I'm not going to try to fight people who believe in homeopathy. It's counter-productive, and they should have the freedom to be wrong if they wish.

[GraySoap]

Genocidal pigs.

-said the National Socialist.

Psh. When have National Socialists ever been pigs? They're clearly dogs.