What is the Best Form of Communism?

[Socialist Czechia]

Not the current people, but current organisation still exist. Like Catholic Church and Pope. Would you tolerate still existing NSDAP and new Fuhrer with their argument, that they are different people?

Yeah, but the organization is the religion. Why should we violate our religious rights?

I disagree with this premise. Organisation isn't religion. Simple number of people believing in deities is religion. Destroying of organisation isn't violating religious rights.
Burning Bibles would be oppression. Beating or killing people for praying would be goddamn big oppression. To not allow priests to be priests would be oppression.

But they can be priests. But only in his/her free time. I love sci-fi, but I also must watch Babylon 5 in free time, after work, as anyone else.

[Vazdania]

It is not going to be that everything always favors the worker, that is a fact. But you can bet your socks that it is more beneficial and better for the labourer than a system by which the state intervenes and creates a minimum wage.

You know throughout history, I'm really sure with the slavery and child workers, to any wage at all, that the labour unions helped the people. That's obviously why the state must have stepped in and outlaw those things, because the unions were doing such a good job.

Even in modern times, if we removed regulations and allowed for complete negotiations like that, many like in the fast food industry would be screwed. I mean, it's hard to find a job right now. Businesses could use that and force workers into checkpoint, into compliance with lower standards.

Or the businesses could turn into a Monopoly and just collectively screw over workers for extra profit and lower standards.

Well it seems to be working in Sweden, where the average monthly wage is 2321 Euros....which is about 3180 dollars.....The Swedes have much better working conditions than Americans

[Vazdania]

Nonsense. The function of the state is to ensure that life, liberty, an property are protected.

No, it tasks the government with the welfare of the people.

What are you talking about when you say 'it?'

[Luziyca]

I prefer Titoism, since it is the closest to Marxism in practice, although I am fascinated by Hoxhaism.

[Pandeeria]

Yeah, but the organization is the religion. Why should we violate our religious rights?

I disagree with this premise. Organisation isn't religion. Simple number of people believing in deities is religion. Destroying of organisation isn't violating religious rights.
Burning Bibles would be oppression. Beating or killing people for praying would be goddamn big oppression. To not allow priests to be priests would be oppression.

But they can be priests. But only in his/her free time. I love sci-fi, but I also must watch Babylon 5 in free time, after work, as anyone else.

Destroying a religious organization is the violation of relgious freedom. It's simple.

[Pandeeria]

No, it tasks the government with the welfare of the people.

What are you talking about when you say 'it?'

Excuse me. I actually didn't really mean anything when I said "it."

[Pandeeria]

You know throughout history, I'm really sure with the slavery and child workers, to any wage at all, that the labour unions helped the people. That's obviously why the state must have stepped in and outlaw those things, because the unions were doing such a good job.

Even in modern times, if we removed regulations and allowed for complete negotiations like that, many like in the fast food industry would be screwed. I mean, it's hard to find a job right now. Businesses could use that and force workers into checkpoint, into compliance with lower standards.

Or the businesses could turn into a Monopoly and just collectively screw over workers for extra profit and lower standards.

Well it seems to be working in Sweden, where the average monthly wage is 2321 Euros....which is about 3180 dollars.....The Swedes have much better working conditions than Americans

Got a source?

[Kelinfort]

You know throughout history, I'm really sure with the slavery and child workers, to any wage at all, that the labour unions helped the people. That's obviously why the state must have stepped in and outlaw those things, because the unions were doing such a good job.

Even in modern times, if we removed regulations and allowed for complete negotiations like that, many like in the fast food industry would be screwed. I mean, it's hard to find a job right now. Businesses could use that and force workers into checkpoint, into compliance with lower standards.

Or the businesses could turn into a Monopoly and just collectively screw over workers for extra profit and lower standards.

Well it seems to be working in Sweden, where the average monthly wage is 2321 Euros....which is about 3180 dollars.....The Swedes have much better working conditions than Americans

High minimum wage, high union membership, ease of hiring and firing...so yes.

[Vazdania]

Not so much really either. It is difficult to regulate morality and very rarely should be attempted or done.

So I suppose you support same sex marriage? And perhaps limited drug usage?

I tolerate same sex civil marriage. I am not a fan of drugs, as those who consume or partake of them often (can) put others in harm's way.

[Socialist Czechia]

I do like free speech. I respect your right to call me an asshole, i respect your right to tell me that my economy policy looks shitty with valid arguments, but if you will yell god-hates-you irrational bullshits on some girl just because she don't wanna have kids yet, or even threw rocks, I would take my red flag to your most dark place in no time

That's right, free speech shouldn't cover totally everything, like serious believing in fairytales and talking dead guys as way to promote it.

Why should religious belief not be allowed? That's completely ridiculous.

Let people praying is something different from let people yelling on others nearby Abortion Clinics that they go in Hell and they should die painfully.

[Kelinfort]

So I suppose you support same sex marriage? And perhaps limited drug usage?

I tolerate same sex civil marriage. I am not a fan of drugs, as those who consume or partake of them often (can) put others in harm's way.

Perhaps at times, but only punish those who hurt others when high, right?

[Vazdania]

Well it seems to be working in Sweden, where the average monthly wage is 2321 Euros....which is about 3180 dollars.....The Swedes have much better working conditions than Americans

High minimum wage, high union membership, ease of hiring and firing...so yes.

There is no minimum wage in Sweden. They operate off of Union negotiation.

[Socialist Czechia]

I disagree with this premise. Organisation isn't religion. Simple number of people believing in deities is religion. Destroying of organisation isn't violating religious rights.
Burning Bibles would be oppression. Beating or killing people for praying would be goddamn big oppression. To not allow priests to be priests would be oppression.

But they can be priests. But only in his/her free time. I love sci-fi, but I also must watch Babylon 5 in free time, after work, as anyone else.

Destroying a religious organization is the violation of relgious freedom. It's simple.

Like destroying NSDAP and ban on nazis symbols was violation of political freedom. Seems legit. Ok.

[Vazdania]

I tolerate same sex civil marriage. I am not a fan of drugs, as those who consume or partake of them often (can) put others in harm's way.

Perhaps at times, but only punish those who hurt others when high, right?

The overwhelming amount of incidents leads me to conclude that their use is directly linked with the harm of others.

[The Fascist American Empire]

Ideally, Communism as Marx envisioned it. Realistically, somebody's gotta be in charge so, his views were a wee bit too utopian. Communism in practice, the best form's gotta be Maoism.

[Pandeeria]

Destroying a religious organization is the violation of relgious freedom. It's simple.

Like destroying NSDAP and ban on nazis symbols was violation of political freedom. Seems legit. Ok.

Considering the NSDAP was based on right-wing, authoritarian, anti-semitism while the other is based on different forms of Christianity, has been around a lot longer, has a very high variety in members, and has done good.

[Constantinopolis]

Pretty much this. I have no problem with people voluntary entering communes. If communism replaces capitalism and it all works out well, then that's great. If it doesn't, then that is fine too, you can still do the former.

Just do not force communism on others by the use of statist or authoritarian means.

In almost every single country that currently has capitalism, the capitalist system was imposed by force (either by a local government or foreign invaders) and the people were never asked if they wanted it or not.

So no, you don't get to say "now that we've forced capitalism on most of the world by the use of statist and authoritarian means, you're not allowed to force communism on others by the use of statist or authoritarian means."

Communists should spread communism using the exact same methods that capitalists used to spread capitalism. You conquered the world by force of arms. You don't get to complain about our tanks, hypocrite.

[Kelinfort]

Perhaps at times, but only punish those who hurt others when high, right?

The overwhelming amount of incidents leads me to conclude that their use is directly linked with the harm of others.

No one has ever overdosed on marijuana and alcohol kills far more than narcotics.

[Vazdania]

The overwhelming amount of incidents leads me to conclude that their use is directly linked with the harm of others.

No one has ever overdosed on marijuana and alcohol kills far more than narcotics.

Indeed. Alcohol is a menace.

[Volkhyn]

Marxism-Leninism.

[Cyyro]

Why should religious belief not be allowed? That's completely ridiculous.

Let people praying is something different from let people yelling on others nearby Abortion Clinics that they go in Hell and they should die painfully.

Yeah. Those are called protests. You want those to be illegal too?

[Socialist Czechia]

Like destroying NSDAP and ban on nazis symbols was violation of political freedom. Seems legit. Ok.

Considering the NSDAP was based on right-wing, authoritarian, anti-semitism while the other is based on different forms of Christianity, has been around a lot longer, has a very high variety in members, and has done good.

Catholic Church didn't any good. Or better to say, good things are highly overshadowed by darkness of crusades, retrograde, corrupted policy, inquisitors sometimes even worse than any Sturmbannfuhrer SS and more than often power-hungry overzealous Popes, Cardinals and Bishops. And only because they couldn't stop People to destroy them now, they play nice.

just a note: LOL, and what do you think is typical Catholic priest? Right-wing, authoritarian and anti-semite. like i said, they just play nice today, because they know their times of power are away.

so they at least try to have everything what they took from People in previous times.
I don't buy their game.

[Thafoo]

None of them.

Nordic Model Gogogogogogo

[Kelinfort]

None of them.

Nordic Model Gogogogogogo

^This.

[Vazdania]

None of them.

Nordic Model Gogogogogogo

See even Tofu agrees that the Nordic Model is the best.