What is the Best Form of Communism?

[The BaRen]

Jingoistic Socialism and Central State Collectivism.
That is the best form of communism.
I just made it up.

[Vazdania]

Hackers don't care.

Also, if you're truly productive, I'll give up my wealth to try it to. First to succeed gets his money back.

I don't even know how to respond to this. Please consider rephrasing or explaining.

[Pilotto]

Then eliminate the NSA.

They should liquidate NSA.

Why? I mean, I don't like the idea of my government spying on me and reading my e-mails about as much as the next guy, but the NSA carries out important foreign surveillance operations that I would just as soon not see ended. Place some necessary restrictions on the NSA regarding domestic spying, and set those tech-geeks loose to spy all over China and Russia.

[Pandeeria]

It didn't hijack my right of free speech.
Corporations don't receive the right to deliberately give awful salaries, low working standards, no benefits, no health nor safety standards, etc.

Yes it did. You weren't given a say in what working conditions you wanted. The state presupposed you liked (or at least tolerated) those working conditions.

Yes they do.

It is your right (and the right of a union of labour) to contract with a corporation and determine your working condition, wage/salary,intensity of labour, and benefits.

That's not really a violation of freedom of speech, but ok.

While I agree that you should be able to discuss your wage and conditions, the state should put down a bare minimum conditions.

[The Liberated Territories]

I consider myself to be classical Marxist with some Syndicalist tendencies, and I am shocked, that so many communists/socialists today don't have problems with religion.

Who has no problem with religion is no communist or even socialist for me.

It's just like feudalism. It outdated it's usefulness. If there was any at all times.

Only *censored* person can believe in talking dead guy at all.

I'll believe in my god, and there is nothing you can do to stop me!

Then eliminate the NSA.

They should liquidate NSA.

Quite.

[The Liberated Territories]

Then the state just hijacked your free speech and the rights of the corporation.

It didn't hijack my right of free speech.
Corporations don't receive the right to deliberately give awful salaries, low working standards, no benefits, no health nor safety standards, etc.

Yes they do. It's called the contract.

[Pandeeria]

They should liquidate NSA.

Why? I mean, I don't like the idea of my government spying on me and reading my e-mails about as much as the next guy, but the NSA carries out important foreign surveillance operations that I would just as soon not see ended. Place some necessary restrictions on the NSA regarding domestic spying, and set those tech-geeks loose to spy all over China and Russia.

I don't think that we should try to hurt our already weak relations with others.

Though putting on reasonable restrictions to the NSA is a necessity.

[Vazdania]

Yes it did. You weren't given a say in what working conditions you wanted. The state presupposed you liked (or at least tolerated) those working conditions.

Yes they do.

It is your right (and the right of a union of labour) to contract with a corporation and determine your working condition, wage/salary,intensity of labour, and benefits.

That's not really a violation of freedom of speech, but ok.

While I agree that you should be able to discuss your wage and conditions, the state should put down a bare minimum conditions.

Yes it is.

No it shouldn't, by doing so, it gives corporations an intensive to start you (and others) and keep you (and others) at an artificially low wage. It also violates your rights of contract.

[Socialist Czechia]

I consider myself to be classical Marxist with some Syndicalist tendencies, and I am shocked, that so many communists/socialists today don't have problems with religion.

Who has no problem with religion is no communist or even socialist for me.

It's just like feudalism. It outdated it's usefulness. If there was any at all times.

Only *censored* person can believe in talking dead guy at all.

Should religious people be oppressed?

All property of all churches nationalized with also no support from State at all. Priests and monks should normally find a job like anyone else or go far away if they doesn't like it.

[Kelinfort]

I don't even know how to respond to this. Please consider rephrasing or explaining.

Consider my challenge: We both give up our monies for a month. Whomever succeeds the most in Chile in a sweatshop wins the other's money and theirs. See capitalism's beautiful inequality in action.

[Pandeeria]

That's not really a violation of freedom of speech, but ok.

While I agree that you should be able to discuss your wage and conditions, the state should put down a bare minimum conditions.

Yes it is.

No it shouldn't, by doing so, it gives corporations an intensive to start you (and others) and keep you (and others) at an artificially low wage. It also violates your rights of contract.

It's not censorship, it's not a violation of the freedom of speech.

Yeah, you should be able to negotiate your working standard and pay above the federal minimum.

[The BaRen]

Equality. Actually funny topic. In Scandinavia, socialists are so confused, that they simply gave privileges to 'discriminated' groups, so now, inequality there was just reversed from one group to another.

That's not cool.

Equality should be understand literally. Equal chances for every human, but no privileges for anyone just because one group was bad another. That must end.

I hope I didnt insulted anyone.

If so, I am not mean, but you're just sissy

So putting this in my sig.

[Pilotto]

Why? I mean, I don't like the idea of my government spying on me and reading my e-mails about as much as the next guy, but the NSA carries out important foreign surveillance operations that I would just as soon not see ended. Place some necessary restrictions on the NSA regarding domestic spying, and set those tech-geeks loose to spy all over China and Russia.

I don't think that we should try to hurt our already weak relations with others.

Though putting on reasonable restrictions to the NSA is a necessity.

With all the spying the Chinese have been doing, and the recent resurgence of Russian imperialism, I think it would be rather foolish to not spy on them.

[Vazdania]

Should religious people be oppressed?

All property of all churches nationalized with also no support from State at all. Priests and monks should normally find a job like anyone else or go far away if they doesn't like it.

That's disgusting. I can't believe you hate people's rights to believe what they want. It's sick and perverted. Your socially coercive views are the bane of a society with free thought.

[Pandeeria]

Should religious people be oppressed?

All property of all churches nationalized with also no support from State at all. Priests and monks should normally find a job like anyone else or go far away if they doesn't like it.

If the church is making a profit and is a business, then it should be taxed.

Oppressing religious people makes you no better however.

[Socialist Czechia]

I consider myself to be classical Marxist with some Syndicalist tendencies, and I am shocked, that so many communists/socialists today don't have problems with religion.

Who has no problem with religion is no communist or even socialist for me.

It's just like feudalism. It outdated it's usefulness. If there was any at all times.

Only *censored* person can believe in talking dead guy at all.

I'll believe in my god, and there is nothing you can do to stop me!

If you believe in Thor, I can tolerate it, since Thor's priests didn't slaughter whole nations, kingdoms, cultures by holy crusades for monah, powah and autoritah.

[Pandeeria]

I don't think that we should try to hurt our already weak relations with others.

Though putting on reasonable restrictions to the NSA is a necessity.

With all the spying that the spying on us the Chinese have done, and the recent resurgence of Russian imperialism, I think it would be rather foolish to not spy on them.

It would be stupid not to spy on them.

[The Liberated Territories]

Should religious people be oppressed?

All property of all churches nationalized with also no support from State at all. Priests and monks should normally find a job like anyone else or go far away if they doesn't like it.

So you have a problem with people *voluntarily* establishing places of worship while *voluntarily* giving priests about the same benefits as one would if they worked *voluntarily* for a business? But instead USE FORCE to nationalize these churches? How is this libertarian? How are you going to stop people from organizing based on their faith? Or is it more of a manner of "magic socialism will eliminate it?"

[The Liberated Territories]

I'll believe in my god, and there is nothing you can do to stop me!

If you believe in Thor, I can tolerate it, since Thor's priests didn't slaughter whole nations, kingdoms, cultures by holy crusades for monah, powah and autoritah.

Do not use "Thor" and priests together in the same sentence.

Besides, technically Thor did, as some of his attributes were attached to God or a few saints with the Christianization of Europe.

[Vazdania]

Yes it is.

No it shouldn't, by doing so, it gives corporations an intensive to start you (and others) and keep you (and others) at an artificially low wage. It also violates your rights of contract.

It's not censorship, it's not a violation of the freedom of speech.

Yeah, you should be able to negotiate your working standard and pay above the federal minimum.

It's a form of censorship.

You should be able to negociate your working standard and pay regardless of what ever the hell the state says. The state should have no say in what you, potentially your labour union, and a corporation decide is best for all negotiating factions. The state is merely a useless piece of trash in this situation that wants to intervene where it shouldn't.

[Constantinopolis]

I consider myself to be classical Marxist with some Syndicalist tendencies, and I am shocked, that so many communists/socialists today don't have problems with religion.

Who has no problem with religion is no communist or even socialist for me.

It's just like feudalism. It outdated it's usefulness. If there was any at all times.

Only *censored* person can believe in talking dead guy at all.

The classical Marxist opposition to religion was always a mistake.

It is a mistake for ideological and philosophical reasons, because (most) religions share the Marxist desire to have a collectivist society based upon some form of solidarity and brotherhood. Most religions are against greed, selfishness, luxury, and many other key aspects of capitalism. Most religions say that people have a duty to help those less fortunate, which cuts directly against the liberal capitalist belief in individualism.

It is also a mistake for strategic reasons. By opposing religion, Marxists made a lot of enemies out of people who should have been allies. Imagine if Marxism never opposed religion in Poland, for example! It is foolish to fight a war on multiple fronts when we should be focusing all our energy on one enemy: capitalism.

[New Terricon]

Terricon iteslf has our very own ideology of a Gorbachevist-Titoist liking. We call it Federal Socialism.

[Vazdania]

I don't even know how to respond to this. Please consider rephrasing or explaining.

Consider my challenge: We both give up our monies for a month. Whomever succeeds the most in Chile in a sweatshop wins the other's money and theirs. See capitalism's beautiful inequality in action.

Sounds great!!!!

[Pandeeria]

It's not censorship, it's not a violation of the freedom of speech.

Yeah, you should be able to negotiate your working standard and pay above the federal minimum.

It's a form of censorship.

You should be able to negociate your working standard and pay regardless of what ever the hell the state says. The state should have no say in what you, potentially your labour union, and a corporation decide is best for all negotiating factions. The state is merely a useless piece of trash in this situation that wants to intervene where it shouldn't.

Explain how it's form of censorship.

How about cutting out the labour union, and having the state itself put out legal standard. Then you negotiate with your employer?

[Pandeeria]

Terricon iteslf has our very own ideology of a Gorbachevist-Titoist liking. We call it Federal Socialism.

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