You think Nordic model is best?
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by Cyyro » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:34 pm
Socialist Czechia wrote:Pandeeria wrote:
Considering the NSDAP was based on right-wing, authoritarian, anti-semitism while the other is based on different forms of Christianity, has been around a lot longer, has a very high variety in members, and has done good.
Catholic Church didn't any good. Or better to say, good things are highly overshadowed by darkness of crusades, retrograde, corrupted policy, inquisitors sometimes even worse than any Sturmbannfuhrer SS and more than often power-hungry overzealous Popes, Cardinals and Bishops. And only because they couldn't stop People to destroy them now, they play nice.
just a note: LOL, and what do you think is typical Catholic priest? Right-wing, authoritarian and anti-semite. like i said, they just play nice today, because they know their times of power are away.
so they at least try to have everything what they took from People in previous times.
I don't buy their game.
by Constantinopolis » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:34 pm
Socialist Czechia wrote:You didn't read everything there, didn't you?
There is difference between organisation and people. I dont blame catholics, I blame catholic church.
Constantinopolis wrote:The classical Marxist opposition to religion was always a mistake.
It is a mistake for ideological and philosophical reasons, because (most) religions share the Marxist desire to have a collectivist society based upon some form of solidarity and brotherhood. Most religions are against greed, selfishness, luxury, and many other key aspects of capitalism. Most religions say that people have a duty to help those less fortunate, which cuts directly against the liberal capitalist belief in individualism.
It is also a mistake for strategic reasons. By opposing religion, Marxists made a lot of enemies out of people who should have been allies. Imagine if Marxism never opposed religion in Poland, for example! It is foolish to fight a war on multiple fronts when we should be focusing all our energy on one enemy: capitalism.
by Vazdania » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:36 pm
by Cyyro » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:36 pm
Constantinopolis wrote:Socialist Czechia wrote:Example of the second issue: I am a very, VERY strong supporter of communism. I want to nationalize all the means of production and have a planned economy, and I will settle for nothing less. I am also an Orthodox Christian. We should be working together, in the same party. But if you try to attack my Church, I will have to fight you. I won't like it, but I will have to do it. And our enemies, the capitalists, will win.
by Socialist Czechia » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:39 pm
"Those who reached my boundary, their seed is not; their hearts and their souls are finished forever and ever. As for those who had assembled before them on the sea, the full flame was their front before the harbour mouths, and a wall of metal upon the shore surrounded them. They were dragged, overturned, and laid low upon the beach; slain and made heaps from stern to bow of their galleys, while all their things were cast upon the water." - Ramesses III., Battle of the Delta
by Constantinopolis » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:40 pm
Cyyro wrote:Jeez, Constantinople is already in a tough state, and you want to ruin it even more? I doubt Constantine XI and all the people in the Hagia Sofia will spring out when you arrive.
by Socialist Czechia » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:40 pm
Cyyro wrote:Socialist Czechia wrote:
Catholic Church didn't any good. Or better to say, good things are highly overshadowed by darkness of crusades, retrograde, corrupted policy, inquisitors sometimes even worse than any Sturmbannfuhrer SS and more than often power-hungry overzealous Popes, Cardinals and Bishops. And only because they couldn't stop People to destroy them now, they play nice.
just a note: LOL, and what do you think is typical Catholic priest? Right-wing, authoritarian and anti-semite. like i said, they just play nice today, because they know their times of power are away.
so they at least try to have everything what they took from People in previous times.
I don't buy their game.
The last two Popes have showed up left-wing authoritarian.Your point...is invalid.
"Those who reached my boundary, their seed is not; their hearts and their souls are finished forever and ever. As for those who had assembled before them on the sea, the full flame was their front before the harbour mouths, and a wall of metal upon the shore surrounded them. They were dragged, overturned, and laid low upon the beach; slain and made heaps from stern to bow of their galleys, while all their things were cast upon the water." - Ramesses III., Battle of the Delta
by Regnum Dominae » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:40 pm
Socialist Czechia wrote:Cyyro wrote:
Yeah. Those are called protests. You want those to be illegal too?
There is difference between normal peaceful legit protest expressing concern about something and protest of yelling angry mob throwing rocks like we were in times of Roman Empire.
And because from religious protests I see mostly yelling crazy nuts, so category two, my opinion stands.
by Cyyro » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:42 pm
Socialist Czechia wrote:Cyyro wrote:
Yeah. Those are called protests. You want those to be illegal too?
There is difference between normal peaceful legit protest expressing concern about something and protest of yelling angry mob throwing rocks like we were in times of Roman Empire.
And because from religious protests I see mostly yelling crazy nuts, so category two, my opinion stands.
by Vettrera » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:43 pm
by Vazdania » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:44 pm
Thafoo wrote:Kelinfort wrote:^This.Vazdania wrote:In regards to Collective bargaining to establish a wage? Yes. That's quite frankly what I just discussed. The state has little to no say in what goes on, its done by the unions and the corporation.
Now, let us eat the traditional Lutefisk of the Nords, and pray dearly that the lye has been properly drained.
by Cyyro » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:45 pm
Constantinopolis wrote:Cyyro wrote:Jeez, Constantinople is already in a tough state, and you want to ruin it even more? I doubt Constantine XI and all the people in the Hagia Sofia will spring out when you arrive.
Hehehe. +1
In all seriousness, though, I'm not some kind of irredentist (and I'm not even Greek). Istanbul is Turkish. Although it would be nice to have Hagia Sophia back, it's hard to find a justification for that when the Orthodox population in the city is so small that hardly anyone would use it.
by Socialist Czechia » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:46 pm
Constantinopolis wrote:
Example of the second issue: I am a very, VERY strong supporter of communism. I want to nationalize all the means of production and have a planned economy, and I will settle for nothing less. I am also an Orthodox Christian. We should be working together, in the same party. But if you try to attack my Church, I will have to fight you. I won't like it, but I will have to do it. And our enemies, the capitalists, will win.
"Those who reached my boundary, their seed is not; their hearts and their souls are finished forever and ever. As for those who had assembled before them on the sea, the full flame was their front before the harbour mouths, and a wall of metal upon the shore surrounded them. They were dragged, overturned, and laid low upon the beach; slain and made heaps from stern to bow of their galleys, while all their things were cast upon the water." - Ramesses III., Battle of the Delta
by Constantinopolis » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:46 pm
Socialist Czechia wrote:Merely figureheads to look nice. Valid.
by Socialist Czechia » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:51 pm
Regnum Dominae wrote:Socialist Czechia wrote:
There is difference between normal peaceful legit protest expressing concern about something and protest of yelling angry mob throwing rocks like we were in times of Roman Empire.
And because from religious protests I see mostly yelling crazy nuts, so category two, my opinion stands.
I'm getting the sense that you basically want religion to be treated similar to how it was under Hoxhaist Albania.
Which was a terrible, terrible experiment that must never be repeated.
"Those who reached my boundary, their seed is not; their hearts and their souls are finished forever and ever. As for those who had assembled before them on the sea, the full flame was their front before the harbour mouths, and a wall of metal upon the shore surrounded them. They were dragged, overturned, and laid low upon the beach; slain and made heaps from stern to bow of their galleys, while all their things were cast upon the water." - Ramesses III., Battle of the Delta
by Vazdania » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:52 pm
Socialist Czechia wrote:Regnum Dominae wrote:I'm getting the sense that you basically want religion to be treated similar to how it was under Hoxhaist Albania.
Which was a terrible, terrible experiment that must never be repeated.
Nope. In phase 1 all property of Church nationalised, in phase 2 ignore them completely.
Don't ban Church, don't ban praying or priesting. I personally would do it, but take them just property back to People and keep ignoring them is much better strategy.
That's enough. Just wait a few decades, you will see it's working.
by United Marxist Nations » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:52 pm
Regnum Dominae wrote:Socialist Czechia wrote:
There is difference between normal peaceful legit protest expressing concern about something and protest of yelling angry mob throwing rocks like we were in times of Roman Empire.
And because from religious protests I see mostly yelling crazy nuts, so category two, my opinion stands.
I'm getting the sense that you basically want religion to be treated similar to how it was under Hoxhaist Albania.
Which was a terrible, terrible experiment that must never be repeated.
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.
by Royal Imperious » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:52 pm
~The Grand Republic of Royal Imperious~
by Vazdania » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:54 pm
by Constantinopolis » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:54 pm
Socialist Czechia wrote:Constantinopolis wrote:
Example of the second issue: I am a very, VERY strong supporter of communism. I want to nationalize all the means of production and have a planned economy, and I will settle for nothing less. I am also an Orthodox Christian. We should be working together, in the same party. But if you try to attack my Church, I will have to fight you. I won't like it, but I will have to do it. And our enemies, the capitalists, will win.
I am from already Atheist society, what is, by my opinion, example for every other nation, so if there will be socialist republic and you will try to built Orthodox temple, we would be enemies.
In other case, I will just keep criticise you internationally to be nice on parasitic and destructive element of society, covered in blood of all people.
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