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by Libertarian California » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:04 pm
by Socialist Czechia » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:04 pm
Vazdania wrote:Socialist Czechia wrote:
I do not blame religious people, I blame Church. Or you didn't get it? I won't start burn the Bibles or Qurans, but zealots in funny clothes what reading them to crowds must be stopped.
My distaste of so-called-communists "believing in gods" is another, different topic. More philosophic one.
HA! Let's stop the Politicians then!!! .
You don't like free speech or free thought do you??? I love sitting at the pulpits and listening to people speak about and of the Bible. It is luminous and invigorates my soul. And why should I not be allowed to enjoy myself? Why should I not be allowed to these people speak?
"Those who reached my boundary, their seed is not; their hearts and their souls are finished forever and ever. As for those who had assembled before them on the sea, the full flame was their front before the harbour mouths, and a wall of metal upon the shore surrounded them. They were dragged, overturned, and laid low upon the beach; slain and made heaps from stern to bow of their galleys, while all their things were cast upon the water." - Ramesses III., Battle of the Delta
by Vazdania » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:04 pm
Regnum Dominae wrote:Vazdania wrote:
It is a censorship of your right to legally contract at a wage you and a corporation deem appropriate.
The Labour Union, The Labourer, and the Corproation can work together. The state has no business putting its nose in the economic affairs of people.
...yeah it does. And it doesn't just have the right to do so, it has the responsibility to do so.
by Pandeeria » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:06 pm
Socialist Czechia wrote:Vazdania wrote:
HA! Let's stop the Politicians then!!! .
You don't like free speech or free thought do you??? I love sitting at the pulpits and listening to people speak about and of the Bible. It is luminous and invigorates my soul. And why should I not be allowed to enjoy myself? Why should I not be allowed to these people speak?
I do like free speech. I respect your right to call me an asshole, i respect your right to tell me that my economy policy looks shitty with valid arguments, but if you will yell god-hates-you irrational bullshits on some girl just because she don't wanna have kids yet, or even threw rocks, I would take my red flag to your most dark place in no time
That's right, free speech shouldn't cover totally everything, like serious believing in fairytales and talking dead guys as way to promote it.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Socialist Czechia » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:06 pm
Pandeeria wrote:Socialist Czechia wrote:
It's merely absolutely peaceful punishment for their actions in history. For genocides, for war, for victims of inqusition. Just take everything from them what they stole from the People, back to the People.
But of course I would defend them with weapon in hand, if angry mob would try to hang some priest.
We must not act like animals.
They can pray anywhere they want, but State would not support religious nuts by any money, and State would not allow them pray in temples built on bodies of deceived and murdered innocent people. Sometimes literally.
Crazy zealots in the past waged genocides, not the current people. That's rather a nice form of stereotyping, or just plain censoring them.
Though the state cannot fund them.
"Those who reached my boundary, their seed is not; their hearts and their souls are finished forever and ever. As for those who had assembled before them on the sea, the full flame was their front before the harbour mouths, and a wall of metal upon the shore surrounded them. They were dragged, overturned, and laid low upon the beach; slain and made heaps from stern to bow of their galleys, while all their things were cast upon the water." - Ramesses III., Battle of the Delta
by Pandeeria » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:06 pm
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Constantinopolis » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:06 pm
Regnum Dominae wrote:Ukraine's economic situation is the exception, not the rule, among post-Soviet states.
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And, if you take a look at the formerly USSR-aligned states of the Eastern Bloc:
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by GraySoap » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:07 pm
by Vazdania » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:07 pm
Pandeeria wrote:Vazdania wrote:
It is a censorship of your right to legally contract at a wage you and a corporation deem appropriate.
The Labour Union, The Labourer, and the Corproation can work together. The state has no business putting its nose in the economic affairs of people.
That's economic oppression. Not oppression nor violation of freedom of expression, petition, public assembly, or speech.
If the labour union fails, or the business just says tough shit and doesn't allow you in without lowered pay and standard, if hurts said worker.
by Armed Union » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:08 pm
Hakio wrote:Even, if you're not a communist (like myself) I think many people would favor certain kinds and theories over others. What is your ideal form of communism that you most identify with? Also what would you identify your personal political philosophy as?
(If you wish for me to add an option just ask.)
by Libertarian California » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:08 pm
GraySoap wrote:This thread is indicative of the problem with communism. Everyone is ignoring the most useful form: Juche communism.
by Pandeeria » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:08 pm
Socialist Czechia wrote:Pandeeria wrote:
Crazy zealots in the past waged genocides, not the current people. That's rather a nice form of stereotyping, or just plain censoring them.
Though the state cannot fund them.
Not the current people, but current organisation still exist. Like Catholic Church and Pope. Would you tolerate still existing NSDAP and new Fuhrer with their argument, that they are different people?
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Vazdania » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:08 pm
by Islamic Commune » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:09 pm
by Vazdania » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:09 pm
by GraySoap » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:12 pm
Islamic Commune wrote:Hutterite colonies, the Amish (Even though they're semi capitalist though the money they make belongs to the whole community).
As one person said in the beginning of the forum, "The voluntary communist communities within a capitalist state."
by Pandeeria » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:12 pm
Vazdania wrote:Pandeeria wrote:
That's economic oppression. Not oppression nor violation of freedom of expression, petition, public assembly, or speech.
If the labour union fails, or the business just says tough shit and doesn't allow you in without lowered pay and standard, if hurts said worker.
It is not going to be that everything always favors the worker, that is a fact. But you can bet your socks that it is more beneficial and better for the labourer than a system by which the state intervenes and creates a minimum wage.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Regnum Dominae » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:13 pm
GraySoap wrote:This thread is indicative of the problem with communism. Everyone is ignoring the most useful form: Juche communism.
by Socialist Czechia » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:13 pm
Pandeeria wrote:Socialist Czechia wrote:
I do like free speech. I respect your right to call me an asshole, i respect your right to tell me that my economy policy looks shitty with valid arguments, but if you will yell god-hates-you irrational bullshits on some girl just because she don't wanna have kids yet, or even threw rocks, I would take my red flag to your most dark place in no time
That's right, free speech shouldn't cover totally everything, like serious believing in fairytales and talking dead guys as way to promote it.
So people shouldn't be able to believe in fairy tales?
Why do you hate freedom of religion so much? I mean I'm an atheist and I dislike religion, but I don't want to take away their rights.
"Those who reached my boundary, their seed is not; their hearts and their souls are finished forever and ever. As for those who had assembled before them on the sea, the full flame was their front before the harbour mouths, and a wall of metal upon the shore surrounded them. They were dragged, overturned, and laid low upon the beach; slain and made heaps from stern to bow of their galleys, while all their things were cast upon the water." - Ramesses III., Battle of the Delta
by Regnum Dominae » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:13 pm
Socialist Czechia wrote:Vazdania wrote:
HA! Let's stop the Politicians then!!! .
You don't like free speech or free thought do you??? I love sitting at the pulpits and listening to people speak about and of the Bible. It is luminous and invigorates my soul. And why should I not be allowed to enjoy myself? Why should I not be allowed to these people speak?
I do like free speech. I respect your right to call me an asshole, i respect your right to tell me that my economy policy looks shitty with valid arguments, but if you will yell god-hates-you irrational bullshits on some girl just because she don't wanna have kids yet, or even threw rocks, I would take my red flag to your most dark place in no time
That's right, free speech shouldn't cover totally everything, like serious believing in fairytales and talking dead guys as way to promote it.
by Pandeeria » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:14 pm
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Pandeeria » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:16 pm
Socialist Czechia wrote:Pandeeria wrote:So people shouldn't be able to believe in fairy tales?
Why do you hate freedom of religion so much? I mean I'm an atheist and I dislike religion, but I don't want to take away their rights.
You didn't read everything there, didn't you?
There is difference between organisation and people. I dont blame catholics, I blame catholic church. Destruction of Church isnt destruction of religion.
That's why Allies destroyed NSDAP instead destroying whole German nation, even despite fact, that after war, majority would vote for Donitz.
You can believe in My Little Pony, but if you will criticise and condemn publicly other people, that they don't live like Ponies, by holy Pony laws, you crossed the line.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Constantinopolis » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:17 pm
Socialist Czechia wrote:Not the current people, but current organisation still exist. Like Catholic Church and Pope. Would you tolerate still existing NSDAP and new Fuhrer with their argument, that they are different people?
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