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What country has the most powerful military?

USA
1075
75%
China
106
7%
Russia
86
6%
India
8
1%
Germany
21
1%
UK
51
4%
France
10
1%
Spain
7
0%
Turkey
14
1%
Other (specify in your post)
46
3%
 
Total votes : 1424

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Postby Frazers » Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:44 am

Shnercropolis wrote:
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Good for Switzerland. They'd be fucked up pretty hard by a determined US.

Because we all know a determined Wehrmecht is a lot easier to hold off :roll:
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The Swiss are the world's biggest campers. They picked the one spot on the map that makes them impossible to invade and then trained their entire population to be snipers. Switzerland must have pre ordered call of duty in the 1400s.
Totally. That's why they got kicked out of both world wars.


1940s tech and military vs modern day tech and military.

Yeah I'm going with the Wehrmacht being piss poor in comparison.

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Postby Shnercropolis » Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:47 am

Frazers wrote:
Shnercropolis wrote:Because we all know a determined Wehrmecht is a lot easier to hold off :roll:
Totally. That's why they got kicked out of both world wars.


1940s tech and military vs modern day tech and military.

Yeah I'm going with the Wehrmacht being piss poor in comparison.

Because Switzerland hasn't updated its military since then -.-
Actually, Switzerland's military is at least as high-tech as anything from the US and NATO. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_ ... #Equipment
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Postby Frazers » Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:50 am

Shnercropolis wrote:
Frazers wrote:
1940s tech and military vs modern day tech and military.

Yeah I'm going with the Wehrmacht being piss poor in comparison.

Because Switzerland hasn't updated its military since then -.-
Actually, Switzerland's military is at least as high-tech as anything from the US and NATO. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_ ... #Equipment


The point being that the geographical advantage doesn't hold the same weight with modern tech. The advantage and disadvantage don't scale linearly.

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Postby Shnercropolis » Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:06 pm

Frazers wrote:
Shnercropolis wrote:Because Switzerland hasn't updated its military since then -.-
Actually, Switzerland's military is at least as high-tech as anything from the US and NATO. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_ ... #Equipment


The point being that the geographical advantage doesn't hold the same weight with modern tech. The advantage and disadvantage don't scale linearly.

Living in a mountain fortress is a big advantage though.
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Postby Blazedtown » Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:17 pm

Frazers wrote:
Shnercropolis wrote:Because Switzerland hasn't updated its military since then -.-
Actually, Switzerland's military is at least as high-tech as anything from the US and NATO. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_ ... #Equipment


The point being that the geographical advantage doesn't hold the same weight with modern tech. The advantage and disadvantage don't scale linearly.


Terrain is still one of the biggest factors in military operations. In Switzerland's case, you still have to attack an enemy dug into a mountain pass which negates any advantage in numbers and reducing the attackers ability to maneuver. All that high tech gear doesn't mean shit to the average infantryman who is still going to have to take the fight to the enemy in a frontal assault.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:21 pm

Shnercropolis wrote:
Frazers wrote:
The point being that the geographical advantage doesn't hold the same weight with modern tech. The advantage and disadvantage don't scale linearly.

Living in a mountain fortress is a big advantage though.

Until a significantly larger all-mechanised artillery-heavy force comes along.
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Postby Frazers » Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:21 pm

Blazedtown wrote:
Frazers wrote:
The point being that the geographical advantage doesn't hold the same weight with modern tech. The advantage and disadvantage don't scale linearly.


Terrain is still one of the biggest factors in military operations. In Switzerland's case, you still have to attack an enemy dug into a mountain pass which negates any advantage in numbers and reducing the attackers ability to maneuver. All that high tech gear doesn't mean shit to the average infantryman who is still going to have to take the fight to the enemy in a frontal assault.


Why is he having to take a frontal assault?

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Postby Immoren » Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:22 pm

Frazers wrote:
Blazedtown wrote:
Terrain is still one of the biggest factors in military operations. In Switzerland's case, you still have to attack an enemy dug into a mountain pass which negates any advantage in numbers and reducing the attackers ability to maneuver. All that high tech gear doesn't mean shit to the average infantryman who is still going to have to take the fight to the enemy in a frontal assault.


Why is he having to take a frontal assault?

There's more than one way to skin a cat


Nuclear weapons.
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Postby Blazedtown » Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:37 pm

Frazers wrote:
Blazedtown wrote:
Terrain is still one of the biggest factors in military operations. In Switzerland's case, you still have to attack an enemy dug into a mountain pass which negates any advantage in numbers and reducing the attackers ability to maneuver. All that high tech gear doesn't mean shit to the average infantryman who is still going to have to take the fight to the enemy in a frontal assault.


Why is he having to take a frontal assault?

There's more than one way to skin a cat


The terrain prevents you from flanking them, you can't just go up and over a mountain with an army.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:40 pm

Blazedtown wrote:
Frazers wrote:
Why is he having to take a frontal assault?

There's more than one way to skin a cat


The terrain prevents you from flanking them, you can't just go up and over a mountain with an army.

When you can bring the summit down a few hundred metres, why worry?
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Postby Mkuki » Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:19 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Blazedtown wrote:
The terrain prevents you from flanking them, you can't just go up and over a mountain with an army.

When you can bring the summit down a few hundred metres, why worry?

Pfft. No one's fought a full on war since (maybe) the Iran-Iraq War.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:21 pm

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Imperializt Russia wrote:When you can bring the summit down a few hundred metres, why worry?

Pfft. No one's fought a full on war since (maybe) the Iran-Iraq War.

Ah, the good ol' days.
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Postby Mkuki » Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:25 pm

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Mkuki wrote:Pfft. No one's fought a full on war since (maybe) the Iran-Iraq War.

Ah, the good ol' days.

Aye. It ain't a war until chemical weapons are lobbed around. Thank Stalin for the Japanese. :p
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:30 pm

Mkuki wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Ah, the good ol' days.

Aye. It ain't a war until chemical weapons are lobbed around. Thank Stalin for the Japanese. :p

Yes... soon whole world will be Japan.

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Postby Marcurix » Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:35 pm

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Why?


Probably because China's capacities have been overrated, along with Russia's and Israel's.

Still, given there seems to be no standard for how we are defining powerful any justification could be made.
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Postby Blazedtown » Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:39 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Blazedtown wrote:
The terrain prevents you from flanking them, you can't just go up and over a mountain with an army.

When you can bring the summit down a few hundred metres, why worry?


Because then you just gave a few thousand tons of rock to use as obstacles. The entire Italian campaign in WW2 is why you fighting in the mountains is a really bad idea.
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Postby Blazedtown » Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:40 pm

Marcurix wrote:
Kemalist wrote:
Why?


Probably because China's capacities have been overrated, along with Russia's and Israel's.

Still, given there seems to be no standard for how we are defining powerful any justification could be made.


Any definition, America wins.
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Postby Mkuki » Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:50 pm

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Mkuki wrote:Aye. It ain't a war until chemical weapons are lobbed around. Thank Stalin for the Japanese. :p

Yes... soon whole world will be Japan.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:52 pm

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United Marxist Nations wrote:Yes... soon whole world will be Japan.

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You missed a chance for an anime reference. I'm docking your internet points.

It is okay; the Imperial Japanese Navy will break your blockade in due time.
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Postby Mkuki » Sun Apr 06, 2014 2:04 pm

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Mkuki wrote:You missed a chance for an anime reference. I'm docking your internet points.

It is okay; the Imperial Japanese Navy will break your blockade in due time.

Ha. My cat-girl soldiers have already infiltrated the IJN and are awaiting my signal to begin the great Pirate-Ninja War of 2014.
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United Marxist Nations wrote:It is okay; the Imperial Japanese Navy will break your blockade in due time.

Ha. My cat-girl soldiers have already infiltrated the IJN and are awaiting my signal to begin the great Pirate-Ninja War of 2014.

The great Emperor Shōwa will defeat them with his god-powers.
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Postby Shnercropolis » Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:10 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Shnercropolis wrote:Living in a mountain fortress is a big advantage though.

Until a significantly larger all-mechanised artillery-heavy force comes along.

Ever heard of the National Redoubt?
That would be just as likely to work against the US forces as it did against Germany. And they've made some additions as well. Switzerland is basically a fortress, no matter how you dice it.
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Postby Pilotto » Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:17 pm

North Korea is best and most powerful nation!

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Postby The Grand World Order » Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:25 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:Until a significantly larger all-mechanised artillery-heavy force comes along.


An American invasion of Switzerland would likely be soft-power and air based for the most part, and capitalize on eliminating Swiss production and Command/Signal and Administration (which, even with all their subterranean fortresses, would make the Swiss military almost completely non-operational) before any conventional forces ever set foot in the country.
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Postby Libertarian California » Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:55 pm

Man for man, no one could top the Rhodesians.

Alas, what remained of their armed forces became mercenaries and I assume many of them are now too old for combat.
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