Most powerful military in the known world? (Today)

[Shnercropolis]

And then you treated the F22 as if it were actually anything but a waste of money. Sure, it has some fancy features, but really the F22 doesn't have much to offer that the F16 don't already, and the cost of building one is far higher than just upgrading some old F-16s. The only reasion why F-22s were produced in the first place was because senators wanted to make a few thousand more jobs in their home states, kind of like the Ospreys(except slightly more useful). SR-71s are totally outdated and replaced by satellites. B22s are also outdated and replaced by drone strikes.

I really suggest that you look at what those planes were invented for. There are a lot of things that the F-22 does better then the F-16, besides the fact that they have two separate roles. Satellites aren't at the resolution of spy plane equipment, even though the SR-71 has been retired for some time now. Drones can't carry a nuclear arsenal, and they aren't strategic bombers.

I was thinking in terms of conventional war. But you're right about that last part.

[Oaledonia]

The IDF is undoubtedly in the top ten.

Well, as far as ground forces, and maybe air-forces (not familiar with the IDF's air wing), but I don't think their navy would be, would it?

Probably not, but does Israel really need one?

The IDF is undoubtedly in the top ten.

I don't think so.

What does that have to do with what I said?

The fact that you've said their combat ability was negligible, when in fact it has one of the most active histories in the past 20 years.

[Shnercropolis]

Anyway, strongest is definitely Switzerland.

[Vitaphone Racing]

There's four countries which Israel could win a war against and it shares are border with all of them. An Israeli conflict with any other country would result in a stalemate unless it borders one of the four and Israel has already annexed it. The D in IDF is well emphasized.

[Oaledonia]

I really suggest that you look at what those planes were invented for. There are a lot of things that the F-22 does better then the F-16, besides the fact that they have two separate roles. Satellites aren't at the resolution of spy plane equipment, even though the SR-71 has been retired for some time now. Drones can't carry a nuclear arsenal, and they aren't strategic bombers.

I was thinking in terms of conventional war. But you're right about that last part.

In terms of a conventional war only furthers my point.

[Shnercropolis]

I was thinking in terms of conventional war. But you're right about that last part.

In terms of a conventional war only furthers my point.

Nukes in conventional war???

EDIT: also I have done my little bit of research, and it appears we already have quite a few F-22s and F-35s made. So I suppose we might as well use what we have. I always thought there were only a few dozen.

[Mkuki]

Well, as far as ground forces, and maybe air-forces (not familiar with the IDF's air wing), but I don't think their navy would be, would it?

Probably not, but does Israel really need one?

I don't think so.

What does that have to do with what I said?

The fact that you've said their combat ability was negligible, when in fact it has one of the most active histories in the past 20 years.

I didn't say that they had a negligible amount of combat experience. No where was the word "negligible", or any synonym, in my post. I just question the thinking that they are the most combat experienced.

[Shnercropolis]

Probably not, but does Israel really need one?


The fact that you've said their combat ability was negligible, when in fact it has one of the most active histories in the past 20 years.

I didn't say that they had a negligible amount of combat experience. No where was the word "negligible", or any synonym, in my post. I just question the thinking that they are the most combat experienced.

That would be the Chechens.

[Mkuki]

Well, as far as ground forces, and maybe air-forces (not familiar with the IDF's air wing), but I don't think their navy would be, would it?

Probably not, but does Israel really need one?

I don't think so.

What does that have to do with what I said?

The fact that you've said their combat ability was negligible, when in fact it has one of the most active histories in the past 20 years.

Probably if we're considering who has the most powerful militaries.

[Oaledonia]

In terms of a conventional war only furthers my point.

Nukes in conventional war???

EDIT: also I have done my little bit of research, and it appears we already have quite a few F-22s and F-35s made. So I suppose we might as well use what we have. I always thought there were only a few dozen.

You speak as if the F-22 isn't the most capable combat aircraft in the world.

[Shnercropolis]

Nukes in conventional war???

EDIT: also I have done my little bit of research, and it appears we already have quite a few F-22s and F-35s made. So I suppose we might as well use what we have. I always thought there were only a few dozen.

You speak as if the F-22 isn't the most capable combat aircraft in the world.

No, the F-35 is.

Seriously though, I was thinking in terms of cost-benefit analasys. F-22s are prohibitively expensive compared to F-16s.

[Mkuki]

Nukes in conventional war???

EDIT: also I have done my little bit of research, and it appears we already have quite a few F-22s and F-35s made. So I suppose we might as well use what we have. I always thought there were only a few dozen.

You speak as if the F-22 isn't the most capable combat aircraft in the world.

It would need combat experience against other aircraft before we can determine that.

[Shnercropolis]

You speak as if the F-22 isn't the most capable combat aircraft in the world.

It would need combat experience against other aircraft before we can determine that.

I'm fairly sure it's gotten some experience against MiGs in Iraq. But who cares about MiGs?

[Oaledonia]

You speak as if the F-22 isn't the most capable combat aircraft in the world.

No, the F-35 is.

Seriously though, I was thinking in terms of cost-benefit analasys. F-22s are prohibitively expensive compared to F-16s.

They are also extensively superior in every area with the possible exception of loiter time.

[Oaledonia]

You speak as if the F-22 isn't the most capable combat aircraft in the world.

It would need combat experience against other aircraft before we can determine that.

Simulation and war games plus combat/tech demonstration compared to other combat aircraft can give you better results then you think

[Mkuki]

It would need combat experience against other aircraft before we can determine that.

I'm fairly sure it's gotten some experience against MiGs in Iraq. But who cares about MiGs?

Did it? The F-22 wasn't even deployed overseas until well after USAF had obliterated the Iraqi air force.

On 11 February 2007, while attempting its first overseas deployment to the Kadena Air Base in Okinawa, Japan

[Mkuki]

It would need combat experience against other aircraft before we can determine that.

Simulation and war games plus combat/tech demonstration compared to other combat aircraft can give you better results then you think

That's still nowhere near as good as actual combat experience.

[Oaledonia]

Simulation and war games plus combat/tech demonstration compared to other combat aircraft can give you better results then you think

That's still nowhere near as good as actual combat experience.

Please, by all means then: list something better.

[Mkuki]

That's still nowhere near as good as actual combat experience.

Please, by all means then: list something better.

Why would I do that? I didn't say you were wrong.

[Oaledonia]

Please, by all means then: list something better.

Why would I do that? I didn't say you were wrong.

It would need combat experience against other aircraft before we can determine that.

List the best fighter with combat experience, then we'll compare it to the F-22

[Mkuki]

Why would I do that? I didn't say you were wrong.

It would need combat experience against other aircraft before we can determine that.

List the best fighter with combat experience, then we'll compare it to the F-22

That would be a pointless exercise given we don't know how the F-22 would perform in an actual combat situation.

[Oaledonia]

we don't know how the F-22 would perform in an actual combat situation.

We do though, that's the point

[Gallia-]

Belgium.

[Marcurix]

Israel.
It's actually one of the biggest reasons why they show up on so many Top 10 lists, because they're pretty much the most experienced modern military.

I dunno. Fighting an illequipped insurgency within Israel, the only thing IDF has basically done since the 1970s (with the exception of a broken Lebanon), isn't what I'd consider all that combat experienced.

The key weakness of the IDF is its inability to fight a prolonged war. In terms of experience, well Israel ranks among the best in the world for combat readiness and for rapid deployment of its military resources.

[Pharthan]

List the best fighter with combat experience, then we'll compare it to the F-22

That would be a pointless exercise given we don't know how the F-22 would perform in an actual combat situation.

Considering you can do mock dogfights, yeah, we do.