Most powerful military in the known world? (Today)

[The Sotoan Union]

This is not a measure of Russian military superiority over the rest of the world. This is a measure of Russian expansionism and willingness to use its military to bully its much smaller and weaker neighbours.

This is not a measure of Russian military superiority. This is a measure of Russian capability to destroy the world in a suicide mission. Something America is also capable of.

Different cases have different conditions. Still not a measure of Russian military superiority over the rest of the world.

America does not need as strong a defence force since it does not piss off its neighbours, Cuba is the exception. Also it's defended against foreign invasions by two large oceans, something russia doesn't have so has to make up for in a home defence force. Even then this point you put across shows that american power projection is far greater than that of Russia's.

Really, you think Cuba is the only country that harbors a grudge or even hatred against the US. What about most of the Middle East which the U.S. is pretty much occupying under the premise of 'Keeping the peace'. I highly doubt that all of Japan has forgotten about the months of firebombings on civilian targets in the 1940's and the Atomic Bombs (Again dropped on civilian targets and of the two cities only 900 Soldiers were killed and 260,000 Civilians were killed), I'd say they still harbor a grudge. And how about all the other country's of the world that the U.S. has messed with or pissed off.

First of all yes it is.

Second of all, I think we have reached the heart of your argument. You just have an anti-America bias. Mentioning politics in a thread that is only about military strength, only listing recent international events as evidence. I think you just dislike America, to the point where you ignore legitimate analysis on military strength just to rant about your own opinion. I could throw things like military budgets and technological advances, and you would still rant about police or something,

America has not made the greatest technology advancements. That goes to Germany and Japan whose militaries have some of the most sophisticated technology in the world.

And America's military budget has equal pro's and con's.

I would disagree with that. But I also never said that America has the greatest technology.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

This is not a measure of Russian military superiority over the rest of the world. This is a measure of Russian expansionism and willingness to use its military to bully its much smaller and weaker neighbours.

This is not a measure of Russian military superiority. This is a measure of Russian capability to destroy the world in a suicide mission. Something America is also capable of.

Different cases have different conditions. Still not a measure of Russian military superiority over the rest of the world.

America does not need as strong a defence force since it does not piss off its neighbours, Cuba is the exception. Also it's defended against foreign invasions by two large oceans, something russia doesn't have so has to make up for in a home defence force. Even then this point you put across shows that american power projection is far greater than that of Russia's.

Really, you think Cuba is the only country that harbors a grudge or even hatred against the US. What about most of the Middle East which the U.S. is pretty much occupying under the premise of 'Keeping the peace'. I highly doubt that all of Japan has forgotten about the months of firebombings on civilian targets in the 1940's and the Atomic Bombs (Again dropped on civilian targets and of the two cities only 900 Soldiers were killed and 260,000 Civilians were killed), I'd say they still harbor a grudge. And how about all the other country's of the world that the U.S. has messed with or pissed off.

The Middle Eastern Nations don't really harbor a grudge against the US so much as they are annoyed by continued presence. And yes, Japan has gotten over the A-Bomb. Well, in that they don't hold a grudge, at least.

America has not made the greatest technology advancements. That goes to Germany and Japan whose militaries have some of the most sophisticated technology in the world.

Wait, what are you basing this on? The mythical Japanese technical ingenuity and the Germanic Efficiency?

[Marcurix]

It's still relevant to my argument.



Because the nobody wants part actually fits into my new argument.

America will no longer be able to deploy it's forces across the whole of the world. Why you ask? Because European Governments have demanded the closure of American Military Bases in Europe and the removal of American Forces from European Soil.

erm, what?

Are you...going to source any of this? Because last I checked not only did the US have bases in many other areas of the world, along with an extensive carrier capacity, European governments have in fact not requested as you claim.

And don't argue against this,

oh so convincing....

if your in America you probably don't know about this because your idiotic government just covers it with more propaganda, but I live in Europe and I have seen several announcements from various European Leaders demanding that American Military Bases in Europe be closed and American Troops be removed, including here in Germany.

prove it.

Ramstein isn't being closed for budget reasons, it's being closed because German Civilians have been holding protests for its closure for years!

Prove it.

I'd say no more coverage in Europe would reduce America's military power quite a bit. And if America refuses to remove its forces from Europe then NATO and the UN get called in.

so you don't know how overseas military bases work.

[Decius]

WARS BY AMERICA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wa ... ted_States

America haswon 60 wars
lost 3

And how many of those did America fight on its own that were not fought in America.

I can name a couple wars you cant give them credit for winning: WW1 (Germany signed an Armistice because it was running out of supplies due to British Blockade, not because of the American Troops that came to Europe; Most of whom were killed within the few months after America entered), WW2 (That goes to Great Britain and Russia; Great Britain reduced the Luftwaffe greatly during the Battle of Britain; Russia invaded Germany before America could and then they invaded Japanese territory and the Japanese even publically announced that they gave the Russian Invasion most of the credit for their surrender), Korean War (That goes to the UN in general).

[Decius]

It's still relevant to my argument.



Because the nobody wants part actually fits into my new argument.

America will no longer be able to deploy it's forces across the whole of the world. Why you ask? Because European Governments have demanded the closure of American Military Bases in Europe and the removal of American Forces from European Soil.

erm, what?

Are you...going to source any of this? Because last I checked not only did the US have bases in many other areas of the world, along with an extensive carrier capacity, European governments have in fact not requested as you claim.

And don't argue against this,

oh so convincing....

if your in America you probably don't know about this because your idiotic government just covers it with more propaganda, but I live in Europe and I have seen several announcements from various European Leaders demanding that American Military Bases in Europe be closed and American Troops be removed, including here in Germany.

prove it.

Ramstein isn't being closed for budget reasons, it's being closed because German Civilians have been holding protests for its closure for years!

Prove it.

I'd say no more coverage in Europe would reduce America's military power quite a bit. And if America refuses to remove its forces from Europe then NATO and the UN get called in.

so you don't know how overseas military bases work.

I was in one of those protests! Why cant American's just leave Europe for Europeans!

[The Sotoan Union]

WARS BY AMERICA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wa ... ted_States

America haswon 60 wars
lost 3

And how many of those did America fight on its own that were not fought in America.

I can name a couple wars you cant give them credit for winning: WW1 (Germany signed an Armistice because it was running out of supplies due to British Blockade, not because of the American Troops that came to Europe; Most of whom were killed within the few months after America entered), WW2 (That goes to Great Britain and Russia; Great Britain reduced the Luftwaffe greatly during the Battle of Britain; Russia invaded Germany before America could and then they invaded Japanese territory and the Japanese even publically announced that they gave the Russian Invasion most of the credit for their surrender), Korean War (That goes to the UN in general).

Bullshit.

The American intervention in World War I was crucial to the Allied victory. I'm not saying that America won all by itself, but the Allies really did need America.

So the 11 million American troops mobilized during World War II didn't do anything? It was the UK, the USSR, and the USA, plus dozens of other countries.

The UN military was lead by the US during the Korean War.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

I was in one of those protests! Why cant American's just leave Europe for Europeans!

Are you going to source your claims though?

[Azaflaza]

This is not a measure of Russian military superiority over the rest of the world. This is a measure of Russian expansionism and willingness to use its military to bully its much smaller and weaker neighbours.

This is not a measure of Russian military superiority. This is a measure of Russian capability to destroy the world in a suicide mission. Something America is also capable of.

Different cases have different conditions. Still not a measure of Russian military superiority over the rest of the world.

America does not need as strong a defence force since it does not piss off its neighbours, Cuba is the exception. Also it's defended against foreign invasions by two large oceans, something russia doesn't have so has to make up for in a home defence force. Even then this point you put across shows that american power projection is far greater than that of Russia's.

Really, you think Cuba is the only country that harbors a grudge or even hatred against the US. What about most of the Middle East which the U.S. is pretty much occupying under the premise of 'Keeping the peace'. I highly doubt that all of Japan has forgotten about the months of firebombings on civilian targets in the 1940's and the Atomic Bombs (Again dropped on civilian targets and of the two cities only 900 Soldiers were killed and 260,000 Civilians were killed), I'd say they still harbor a grudge. And how about all the other country's of the world that the U.S. has messed with or pissed off.

First of all yes it is.

Second of all, I think we have reached the heart of your argument. You just have an anti-America bias. Mentioning politics in a thread that is only about military strength, only listing recent international events as evidence. I think you just dislike America, to the point where you ignore legitimate analysis on military strength just to rant about your own opinion. I could throw things like military budgets and technological advances, and you would still rant about police or something,

America has not made the greatest technology advancements. That goes to Germany and Japan whose militaries have some of the most sophisticated technology in the world.

And America's military budget has equal pro's and con's.

Read carefully, I said neighbours. I wouldn't consider the Middle East and japan, Americas neighbours. And thus my point that Cuba is the only neighbour of the US that significantly hates them remains.

[The Sotoan Union]

erm, what?

Are you...going to source any of this? Because last I checked not only did the US have bases in many other areas of the world, along with an extensive carrier capacity, European governments have in fact not requested as you claim.



oh so convincing....



prove it.



Prove it.



so you don't know how overseas military bases work.

I was in one of those protests! Why cant American's just leave Europe for Europeans!

Most Western European governments like the US presence.

[Marcurix]

I was in one of those protests! Why cant American's just leave Europe for Europeans!

That proves nothing.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

WARS BY AMERICA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wa ... ted_States

America haswon 60 wars
lost 3

And how many of those did America fight on its own that were not fought in America.

I can name a couple wars you cant give them credit for winning: WW1 (Germany signed an Armistice because it was running out of supplies due to British Blockade, not because of the American Troops that came to Europe; Most of whom were killed within the few months after America entered), WW2 (That goes to Great Britain and Russia; Great Britain reduced the Luftwaffe greatly during the Battle of Britain; Russia invaded Germany before America could and then they invaded Japanese territory and the Japanese even publically announced that they gave the Russian Invasion most of the credit for their surrender), Korean War (That goes to the UN in general).

So they weren't important in WWI? Who sent Britain large amounts of supplies?

So lets see about WWII:

Primary Allied power in the Pacific Front from 1941-1945? US. Highest number of enemies on the Pacific Front killed by? US. Most ground (Well, sea in this case) taken on Pacific Front? US. Most damage on Pacific Front done by? US.

I would like a source stating Japan gave most of the credit to Russia for their defeat.

Second largest presence of troops in Europe, largest on the Western front? US. Provided large number of supplies and equipment to allies? US. Key in taking all of France and then some in one year? US. Largest production capacity in all the world? US.

Key player in Korea? US.

There were other important nations in these wars, but the US was the front-runner in them.

[Decius]

And how many of those did America fight on its own that were not fought in America.

I can name a couple wars you cant give them credit for winning: WW1 (Germany signed an Armistice because it was running out of supplies due to British Blockade, not because of the American Troops that came to Europe; Most of whom were killed within the few months after America entered), WW2 (That goes to Great Britain and Russia; Great Britain reduced the Luftwaffe greatly during the Battle of Britain; Russia invaded Germany before America could and then they invaded Japanese territory and the Japanese even publically announced that they gave the Russian Invasion most of the credit for their surrender), Korean War (That goes to the UN in general).

Bullshit.

The American intervention in World War I was crucial to the Allie victory. I'm not saying that America won all by itself, but the Allies really did need America.

So the 11 million American troops mobilized during World War II didn't do anything? It was the UK, the USSR, and the USA, plus dozens of other countries.

The UN military was lead by the US during the Korean War.

HOW WAS IT CRUCIAL! THE WAR WAS A STALEMATE FOR FOUR YEARS! RUSSIA PULLED OUT BECAUSE OF A REVOLUTION IN 1917 MEANING GERMAN TROOPS MOVED FROM THE EAST TO THE WEST! YET GERMANY DID NOT SURRENDER BUT SIGNED A CEASEFIRE WITH THE ALLIES BECAUSE THE GERMAN PEOPLE WERE OUT OF FOOD AND THE DRIVE TO CONTINUE THE WAR! AS WAS THE SAME SITUATION WITH THE ALLIES SUCH AS FRANCE, RUSSIA, AND ENGLAND! THE ALLIES DIDN'T WIN WW1, NOBODY DID BECAUSE AN ARMISTICE WAS SIGNED! DO YOU KNOW WHAT AN ARMISTICE IS! IT'S A CEASEFIRE! MEANING THAT THE TROOPS KEEP FIGHTING UNTIL IT GOES INTO EFFECT! THERE WERE STILL TROOPS FIGHTING IN THE TRENCHES MINUTES BEFORE ARMISTICE WENT INTO EFFECT! THE ALLIES WERE JUST LESS TIRED AND HUNGRY THAN THE CENTRAL POWERS WERE SO IT WAS THE CENTRAL POWERS WHO PROPOSED THE ARMISTICE! MOST OF THE AMERICAN TROOPS SENT OVER WERE KILLED VERY QUICKLY BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT USED TO THE WAY THE WAR HAD BEEN FOUGHT FOR FOUR YEARS!

AMERICA DID A LOT LESS AND SUFFERED A LOT LESS THAN BRITAIN, FRANCE, AND RUSSIA DID IN WW2! HECK FRANCE WAS OCCUPIED! COMPARED TO THE EFFORTS OF THE OTHER ALLIED POWERS, AMERICA DID ZILCH! THE RUSSIANS HELD THE GERMANS BACK FOR FIVE MONTHS AT STALINGRAD! THE BRITISH WITHSTOOD A YEAR OF HORRIBLE BOMBING BY THE LUFTWAFFE! THE FRENCH ENDURED NAZI OCCUPATION! WHAT DID AMERICA DO? GET ITS PRECIOUS PACIFIC FLEET BOMBED! WHO WAS IT THAT FIRST ENTERED GERMANY? THE RUSSIANS! WHO WAS IT THAT HAD BEEN KEEPING THE LUFTWAFFE AT BAY FOR YEARS? THE BRITISH! WHO WAS IT THAT SABOTAGED THE GERMAN WAR EFFORT MORE THAN ANY SABOTAGE GROUP IN HISTORY? THE FREE FRENCH!

THAT IS NOT TRUE! THE UN FORCES WERE EACH LED BY THEIR RESPECTIVE MILITARY LEADERS!

[Washington Resistance Army]

Bullshit.

The American intervention in World War I was crucial to the Allie victory. I'm not saying that America won all by itself, but the Allies really did need America.

So the 11 million American troops mobilized during World War II didn't do anything? It was the UK, the USSR, and the USA, plus dozens of other countries.

The UN military was lead by the US during the Korean War.

HOW WAS IT CRUCIAL! THE WAR WAS A STALEMATE FOR FOUR YEARS! RUSSIA PULLED OUT BECAUSE OF A REVOLUTION IN 1917 MEANING GERMAN TROOPS MOVED FROM THE EAST TO THE WEST! YET GERMANY DID NOT SURRENDER BUT SIGNED A CEASEFIRE WITH THE ALLIES BECAUSE THE GERMAN PEOPLE WERE OUT OF FOOD AND THE DRIVE TO CONTINUE THE WAR! AS WAS THE SAME SITUATION WITH THE ALLIES SUCH AS FRANCE, RUSSIA, AND ENGLAND! THE ALLIES DIDN'T WIN WW1, NOBODY DID BECAUSE AN ARMISTICE WAS SIGNED! DO YOU KNOW WHAT AN ARMISTICE IS! IT'S A CEASEFIRE! MEANING THAT THE TROOPS KEEP FIGHTING UNTIL IT GOES INTO EFFECT! THERE WERE STILL TROOPS FIGHTING IN THE TRENCHES MINUTES BEFORE ARMISTICE WENT INTO EFFECT! THE ALLIES WERE JUST LESS TIRED AND HUNGRY THAN THE CENTRAL POWERS WERE SO IT WAS THE CENTRAL POWERS WHO PROPOSED THE ARMISTICE! MOST OF THE AMERICAN TROOPS SENT OVER WERE KILLED VERY QUICKLY BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT USED TO THE WAY THE WAR HAD BEEN FOUGHT FOR FOUR YEARS!

AMERICA DID A LOT LESS AND SUFFERED A LOT LESS THAN BRITAIN, FRANCE, AND RUSSIA DID IN WW2! HECK FRANCE WAS OCCUPIED! COMPARED TO THE EFFORTS OF THE OTHER ALLIED POWERS, AMERICA DID ZILCH! THE RUSSIANS HELD THE GERMANS BACK FOR FIVE MONTHS AT STALINGRAD! THE BRITISH WITHSTOOD A YEAR OF HORRIBLE BOMBING BY THE LUFTWAFFE! THE FRENCH ENDURED NAZI OCCUPATION! WHAT DID AMERICA DO? GET ITS PRECIOUS PACIFIC FLEET BOMBED! WHO WAS IT THAT FIRST ENTERED GERMANY? THE RUSSIANS! WHO WAS IT THAT HAD BEEN KEEPING THE LUFTWAFFE AT BAY FOR YEARS? THE BRITISH! WHO WAS IT THAT SABOTAGED THE GERMAN WAR EFFORT MORE THAN ANY SABOTAGE GROUP IN HISTORY? THE FREE FRENCH!

THAT IS NOT TRUE! THE UN FORCES WERE EACH LED BY THEIR RESPECTIVE MILITARY LEADERS!

Caps lock, take it off.

[Decius]

I was in one of those protests! Why cant American's just leave Europe for Europeans!

Most Western European governments like the US presence.

Where do you get that?

[The Sotoan Union]

Bullshit.

The American intervention in World War I was crucial to the Allie victory. I'm not saying that America won all by itself, but the Allies really did need America.

So the 11 million American troops mobilized during World War II didn't do anything? It was the UK, the USSR, and the USA, plus dozens of other countries.

The UN military was lead by the US during the Korean War.

HOW WAS IT CRUCIAL! THE WAR WAS A STALEMATE FOR FOUR YEARS! RUSSIA PULLED OUT BECAUSE OF A REVOLUTION IN 1917 MEANING GERMAN TROOPS MOVED FROM THE EAST TO THE WEST! YET GERMANY DID NOT SURRENDER BUT SIGNED A CEASEFIRE WITH THE ALLIES BECAUSE THE GERMAN PEOPLE WERE OUT OF FOOD AND THE DRIVE TO CONTINUE THE WAR! AS WAS THE SAME SITUATION WITH THE ALLIES SUCH AS FRANCE, RUSSIA, AND ENGLAND! THE ALLIES DIDN'T WIN WW1, NOBODY DID BECAUSE AN ARMISTICE WAS SIGNED! DO YOU KNOW WHAT AN ARMISTICE IS! IT'S A CEASEFIRE! MEANING THAT THE TROOPS KEEP FIGHTING UNTIL IT GOES INTO EFFECT! THERE WERE STILL TROOPS FIGHTING IN THE TRENCHES MINUTES BEFORE ARMISTICE WENT INTO EFFECT! THE ALLIES WERE JUST LESS TIRED AND HUNGRY THAN THE CENTRAL POWERS WERE SO IT WAS THE CENTRAL POWERS WHO PROPOSED THE ARMISTICE! MOST OF THE AMERICAN TROOPS SENT OVER WERE KILLED VERY QUICKLY BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT USED TO THE WAY THE WAR HAD BEEN FOUGHT FOR FOUR YEARS!

AMERICA DID A LOT LESS AND SUFFERED A LOT LESS THAN BRITAIN, FRANCE, AND RUSSIA DID IN WW2! HECK FRANCE WAS OCCUPIED! COMPARED TO THE EFFORTS OF THE OTHER ALLIED POWERS, AMERICA DID ZILCH! THE RUSSIANS HELD THE GERMANS BACK FOR FIVE MONTHS AT STALINGRAD! THE BRITISH WITHSTOOD A YEAR OF HORRIBLE BOMBING BY THE LUFTWAFFE! THE FRENCH ENDURED NAZI OCCUPATION! WHAT DID AMERICA DO? GET ITS PRECIOUS PACIFIC FLEET BOMBED! WHO WAS IT THAT FIRST ENTERED GERMANY? THE RUSSIANS! WHO WAS IT THAT HAD BEEN KEEPING THE LUFTWAFFE AT BAY FOR YEARS? THE BRITISH! WHO WAS IT THAT SABOTAGED THE GERMAN WAR EFFORT MORE THAN ANY SABOTAGE GROUP IN HISTORY? THE FREE FRENCH!

THAT IS NOT TRUE! THE UN FORCES WERE EACH LED BY THEIR RESPECTIVE MILITARY LEADERS!

1) The Allies could not possibly have defeated Germany without the US BECAUSE IT WAS A STALEMATE. It would have ended in a draw without fresh US troops.

2) We suffered a lot less, but that doesn't invalidate the 11 million troops we mobilized.

3) Who was the supreme commander of the UN forces. An American, from the American military.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Bullshit.

The American intervention in World War I was crucial to the Allie victory. I'm not saying that America won all by itself, but the Allies really did need America.

So the 11 million American troops mobilized during World War II didn't do anything? It was the UK, the USSR, and the USA, plus dozens of other countries.

The UN military was lead by the US during the Korean War.

HOW WAS IT CRUCIAL! THE WAR WAS A STALEMATE FOR FOUR YEARS! RUSSIA PULLED OUT BECAUSE OF A REVOLUTION IN 1917 MEANING GERMAN TROOPS MOVED FROM THE EAST TO THE WEST! YET GERMANY DID NOT SURRENDER BUT SIGNED A CEASEFIRE WITH THE ALLIES BECAUSE THE GERMAN PEOPLE WERE OUT OF FOOD AND THE DRIVE TO CONTINUE THE WAR! AS WAS THE SAME SITUATION WITH THE ALLIES SUCH AS FRANCE, RUSSIA, AND ENGLAND! THE ALLIES DIDN'T WIN WW1, NOBODY DID BECAUSE AN ARMISTICE WAS SIGNED! DO YOU KNOW WHAT AN ARMISTICE IS! IT'S A CEASEFIRE! MEANING THAT THE TROOPS KEEP FIGHTING UNTIL IT GOES INTO EFFECT! THERE WERE STILL TROOPS FIGHTING IN THE TRENCHES MINUTES BEFORE ARMISTICE WENT INTO EFFECT! THE ALLIES WERE JUST LESS TIRED AND HUNGRY THAN THE CENTRAL POWERS WERE SO IT WAS THE CENTRAL POWERS WHO PROPOSED THE ARMISTICE! MOST OF THE AMERICAN TROOPS SENT OVER WERE KILLED VERY QUICKLY BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT USED TO THE WAY THE WAR HAD BEEN FOUGHT FOR FOUR YEARS!

AMERICA DID A LOT LESS AND SUFFERED A LOT LESS THAN BRITAIN, FRANCE, AND RUSSIA DID IN WW2! HECK FRANCE WAS OCCUPIED! COMPARED TO THE EFFORTS OF THE OTHER ALLIED POWERS, AMERICA DID ZILCH! THE RUSSIANS HELD THE GERMANS BACK FOR FIVE MONTHS AT STALINGRAD! THE BRITISH WITHSTOOD A YEAR OF HORRIBLE BOMBING BY THE LUFTWAFFE! THE FRENCH ENDURED NAZI OCCUPATION! WHAT DID AMERICA DO? GET ITS PRECIOUS PACIFIC FLEET BOMBED! WHO WAS IT THAT FIRST ENTERED GERMANY? THE RUSSIANS! WHO WAS IT THAT HAD BEEN KEEPING THE LUFTWAFFE AT BAY FOR YEARS? THE BRITISH! WHO WAS IT THAT SABOTAGED THE GERMAN WAR EFFORT MORE THAN ANY SABOTAGE GROUP IN HISTORY? THE FREE FRENCH!

THAT IS NOT TRUE! THE UN FORCES WERE EACH LED BY THEIR RESPECTIVE MILITARY LEADERS!

All-caps doesn't change anything. In fact, it makes you look immature if anything. I believe you did the exact same thing in the TGs as well, right before you blocked me.

[Roski Emericans]

Most Western European governments like the US presence.

Where do you get that?

The fact that Western Europe asked for the fucking bases.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Most Western European governments like the US presence.

Where do you get that?

If there was no American presence, then the European governments would have to pay out of their own wallets to fund a larger military.

[Ronnaz-die]

The forum seems to be universally decided on the US. Now the question is: Who can compete with/pose a great challenge to the United States?

While some may argue Russia, Russia's global fire power is no-where near compatible with ours. They have an extremely small navy and air-force, only about 700-something thousand active military personnel, and only a million reserve personnel.

I'd say China. They have a greater numerical strength. While their technological advancement is not as great as America's, it steps up from Russia or UK, the two other leading world superpowers besides America and China itself.

[United Kingdom of Kent]

Most Western European governments like the US presence.

Where do you get that?

Maybe because most allow the USA to maintain bases and troops on its territory and openly support their presence in the continent. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean everyone in Europe doesn't there no such thing a single European identity and your views certainly don't reflect the views of the people majority of Europe

[The Sotoan Union]

Where do you get that?

The fact that Western Europe asked for the fucking bases.

Yes.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Where do you get that?

The fact that Western Europe asked for the fucking bases.

Roski?

[Roski Emericans]

The fact that Western Europe asked for the fucking bases.

Roski?

Yes. Quite busy on multiple accounts.

[Imperializt Russia]

America does not have the world's most powerful military (Disregarding whatever propaganda the American Government spits out), by far it does not.

Consider the following facts:
-What country has gained the most territory within the last ten years through involvement of Military Force?
-What Country operates the largest Nuclear Military Arsenal?
-What Country has actually been able to capture a group of Terrorists and beat them back without taking ten years to do it?
-What Country has their military wisely spread but close enough to protect their home country without keeping their forces spread thin across the globe?

Not relevant, not relevant, no-one has, the US.

Considering that a flight of Backfires carrying nuclear AShMs can sink a carrier battle group

at the cost of all the Backfires being shot down mind you

Talking about nuclear weapons almost defeats the point of this thread. Besides that is true of any carrier design.

Nuclear AShMs were to be salvo-fired in conjunction with conventional warheads that would deal the killing blow. The nuclear attack would blind and cripple ships, the conventional attack would sink them.

I get the feel that practically everyone on this thread is American and will not accept anything bad about America. (Even though there is a lot of bad to America both in the present and in the past.)

I'm English and I frankly lament the US' position of global superiority and chief of the hegemony.

But I accept this, because it's simply foolish not to.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

America does not have the world's most powerful military (Disregarding whatever propaganda the American Government spits out), by far it does not.

Consider the following facts:
-What country has gained the most territory within the last ten years through involvement of Military Force?
-What Country operates the largest Nuclear Military Arsenal?
-What Country has actually been able to capture a group of Terrorists and beat them back without taking ten years to do it?
-What Country has their military wisely spread but close enough to protect their home country without keeping their forces spread thin across the globe?

Not relevant, not relevant, no-one has, the US.

Talking about nuclear weapons almost defeats the point of this thread. Besides that is true of any carrier design.

Nuclear AShMs were to be salvo-fired in conjunction with conventional warheads that would deal the killing blow. The nuclear attack would blind and cripple ships, the conventional attack would sink them.

I get the feel that practically everyone on this thread is American and will not accept anything bad about America. (Even though there is a lot of bad to America both in the present and in the past.)

I'm English and I frankly lament the US' position of global superiority and chief of the hegemony.

But I accept this, because it's simply foolish not to.

I'm sorry, but how exactly do you know so much about the military? It's eery how you seem to be the junta guru.