Most powerful military in the known world? (Today)

[The Empire of Pretantia]

America does not have the world's most powerful military (Disregarding whatever propaganda the American Government spits out), by far it does not.

Consider the following facts:
-What country has gained the most territory within the last ten years through involvement of Military Force?

Irrelevant. Military conquest does not equate to greatness in the modern era.

-What Country operates the largest Nuclear Military Arsenal?

Irrelevant. Both Russia and America have large enough arsenals to wreak havoc to the world.

-What Country has actually been able to capture a group of Terrorists and beat them back without taking ten years to do it?

Irrelevant. It depends on the stubbornness and IQ of the terrorists more than anything.

-What Country has their military wisely spread but close enough to protect their home country without keeping their forces spread thin across the globe?

That's because Russia only has to cover a small area compared to the US in the first place, and that would be the European and Asian borders.

[Padnak]

OI!

All you people saying Russia is the strongest, stop giving Russian fan girls (like me) a bad name-

Russia has objectively the strongest military in Eurasia, possibly eastern europe, but not the world.

[The Sotoan Union]

This isn't fucking Ancient Rome. We don't measure success through conquests. America has invaded a lot of countries though does that count?

Yes invaded on supposed 'Rescue Missions' to save the people from 'Tyranny'. I call it occupation. America can't officially gain any territory because of both NATO and the UN. Since almost every country in the world is part of the UN or NATO, with most of what remains being part of CSTO a successor to the Warsaw Pact.

Russia is the only nation that has had any territorial gain via military in the last ten years. That would be Crimea.

My point is that is a poor way of measuring military strength. The fucking Netherlands could've taken the Crimea if it wanted to. By your logic this would make the Dutch stronger than the Americans.

[Decius]

I get the feel that practically everyone on this thread is American and will not accept anything bad about America. (Even though there is a lot of bad to America both in the present and in the past.)

[The Sotoan Union]

I get the feel that practically everyone on this thread is American and will not accept anything bad about America. (Even though there is a lot of bad to America both in the present and in the past.)

Well you're wrong. We just don't like your arguments specifically.

[Decius]

America does not have the world's most powerful military (Disregarding whatever propaganda the American Government spits out), by far it does not.

Consider the following facts:
-What country has gained the most territory within the last ten years through involvement of Military Force?

Irrelevant. Military conquest does not equate to greatness in the modern era.

-What Country operates the largest Nuclear Military Arsenal?

Irrelevant. Both Russia and America have large enough arsenals to wreak havoc to the world.

-What Country has actually been able to capture a group of Terrorists and beat them back without taking ten years to do it?

Irrelevant. It depends on the stubbornness and IQ of the terrorists more than anything.

-What Country has their military wisely spread but close enough to protect their home country without keeping their forces spread thin across the globe?

That's because Russia only has to cover a small area compared to the US in the first place, and that would be the European and Asian borders.

1. It still can.

2. Russia's is 10% larger than America's

3. Or the stubbornness and IQ of the ones hunting them

4. No it's cause the Russian's are actually smart and don't try and go across the world being a Police Force THAT NOBODY WANTS!

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Actually, Decius just doesn't know the first thing about militaries. That's not an insult or a shallow observation; his adamant belief that German could've won WWII is baffling.

I never said that. Though it could've have won before the year 1943, if Hitler wasn't in charge.

Like I said, you believe Germany could've won WWII.

I get the feel that practically everyone on this thread is American and will not accept anything bad about America. (Even though there is a lot of bad to America both in the present and in the past.)

That's just paranoia.

[Decius]

Yes invaded on supposed 'Rescue Missions' to save the people from 'Tyranny'. I call it occupation. America can't officially gain any territory because of both NATO and the UN. Since almost every country in the world is part of the UN or NATO, with most of what remains being part of CSTO a successor to the Warsaw Pact.

Russia is the only nation that has had any territorial gain via military in the last ten years. That would be Crimea.

My point is that is a poor way of measuring military strength. The fucking Netherlands could've taken the Crimea if it wanted to. By your logic this would make the Dutch stronger than the Americans.

Actually it is still a good way of measuring military strength, because my point is that America could not take over another country no matter how hard it tried. Not in the modern day with NATO, UN, and CSTO.

[The Sotoan Union]

Irrelevant. Military conquest does not equate to greatness in the modern era.

Irrelevant. Both Russia and America have large enough arsenals to wreak havoc to the world.

Irrelevant. It depends on the stubbornness and IQ of the terrorists more than anything.

That's because Russia only has to cover a small area compared to the US in the first place, and that would be the European and Asian borders.

1. It still can.

2. Russia's is 10% larger than America's

3. Or the stubbornness and IQ of the ones hunting them

4. No it's cause the Russian's are actually smart and don't try and go across the world being a Police Force THAT NOBODY WANTS!

That is off topic. Your anti America rant does not belong here.

[The Sotoan Union]

My point is that is a poor way of measuring military strength. The fucking Netherlands could've taken the Crimea if it wanted to. By your logic this would make the Dutch stronger than the Americans.

Actually it is still a good way of measuring military strength, because my point is that America could not take over another country no matter how hard it tried. Not in the modern day with NATO, UN, and CSTO.

You realize that Russia is in all of those too, just replace NATO with the CIS. Yet Russia can invade people. By that logic your statement if false.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

1. It still can.

But it doesn't.

2. Russia's is 10% larger than America's

And as I said, that's irrelevant.

3. Or the stubbornness and IQ of the ones hunting them

That too, but it doesn't prove your point.

4. No it's cause the Russian's are actually smart and don't try and go across the world being a Police Force THAT NOBODY WANTS!

I'm pretty sure Europe doesn't want to pick up any slack the US gives if they downsized, so your assertion that nobody wants it is false. You're simply exaggerating. Also, what Sot said.

[Marcurix]

I get the feel that practically everyone on this thread is American and will not accept anything bad about America. (Even though there is a lot of bad to America both in the present and in the past.)

and i get the feeling you don't like it when people disagree with you.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

My point is that is a poor way of measuring military strength. The fucking Netherlands could've taken the Crimea if it wanted to. By your logic this would make the Dutch stronger than the Americans.

Actually it is still a good way of measuring military strength, because my point is that America could not take over another country no matter how hard it tried. Not in the modern day with NATO, UN, and CSTO.

Wait, whoa, whoa. "No matter how hard it tried?" I call bull on that. If it wanted to take over another country, and if it ignored whatever treaties it was in, the US would do it.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I get the feel that practically everyone on this thread is American and will not accept anything bad about America. (Even though there is a lot of bad to America both in the present and in the past.)

and i get the feeling you don't like it when people disagree with you.

He doesn't. No joking. He once blocked my TGs when we were in an argument over Germany winning WWII.

[Decius]

1. It still can.

2. Russia's is 10% larger than America's

3. Or the stubbornness and IQ of the ones hunting them

4. No it's cause the Russian's are actually smart and don't try and go across the world being a Police Force THAT NOBODY WANTS!

That is off topic. Your anti America rant does not belong here.

It's still relevant to my argument.



Because the nobody wants part actually fits into my new argument.

America will no longer be able to deploy it's forces across the whole of the world. Why you ask? Because European Governments have demanded the closure of American Military Bases in Europe and the removal of American Forces from European Soil. And don't argue against this, if your in America you probably don't know about this because your idiotic government just covers it with more propaganda, but I live in Europe and I have seen several announcements from various European Leaders demanding that American Military Bases in Europe be closed and American Troops be removed, including here in Germany. Ramstein isn't being closed for budget reasons, it's being closed because German Civilians have been holding protests for its closure for years!
I'd say no more coverage in Europe would reduce America's military power quite a bit. And if America refuses to remove its forces from Europe then NATO and the UN get called in.

And Russia is in CSTO (Collective Security Treaty Organization) not the CIS.

[Napkiraly]

I get the feel that practically everyone on this thread is American and will not accept anything bad about America. (Even though there is a lot of bad to America both in the present and in the past.)

I'm a Canadian living in the UK. I don't deny that America has done wrong, just as how it has done good. I also recognise that the US military isn't invincible or that there aren't issues within it.

[Decius]

Actually it is still a good way of measuring military strength, because my point is that America could not take over another country no matter how hard it tried. Not in the modern day with NATO, UN, and CSTO.

Wait, whoa, whoa. "No matter how hard it tried?" I call bull on that. If it wanted to take over another country, and if it ignored whatever treaties it was in, the US would do it.

Yes and then it can be kicked out of the UN and will have violated multiple International Laws and NATO Forces would no longer be obligated to aid American Troops. You see a lot of countries are just waiting for the right opportunity to jump on America and beat it senseless.

[Azaflaza]

America does not have the world's most powerful military (Disregarding whatever propaganda the American Government spits out), by far it does not.

Consider the following facts:
-What country has gained the most territory within the last ten years through involvement of Military Force?

This is not a measure of Russian military superiority over the rest of the world. This is a measure of Russian expansionism and willingness to use its military to bully its much smaller and weaker neighbours.

-What Country operates the largest Nuclear Military Arsenal?

This is not a measure of Russian military superiority. This is a measure of Russian capability to destroy the world in a suicide mission. Something America is also capable of.

-What Country has actually been able to capture a group of Terrorists and beat them back without taking ten years to do it?

Different cases have different conditions. Still not a measure of Russian military superiority over the rest of the world.

-What Country has their military wisely spread but close enough to protect their home country without keeping their forces spread thin across the globe?

America does not need as strong a defence force since it does not piss off its neighbours, Cuba is the exception. Also it's defended against foreign invasions by two large oceans, something russia doesn't have so has to make up for in a home defence force. Even then this point you put across shows that american power projection is far greater than that of Russia's.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

I get the feel that practically everyone on this thread is American and will not accept anything bad about America. (Even though there is a lot of bad to America both in the present and in the past.)

It's not that we don't accept anything bad about America, it's just that you're completely wrong and likely don't know what you're talking about.

[The Sotoan Union]

That is off topic. Your anti America rant does not belong here.

It's still relevant to my argument.



Because the nobody wants part actually fits into my new argument.

America will no longer be able to deploy it's forces across the whole of the world. Why you ask? Because European Governments have demanded the closure of American Military Bases in Europe and the removal of American Forces from European Soil. And don't argue against this, if your in America you probably don't know about this because your idiotic government just covers it with more propaganda, but I live in Europe and I have seen several announcements from various European Leaders demanding that American Military Bases in Europe be closed and American Troops be removed, including here in Germany. Ramstein isn't being closed for budget reasons, it's being closed because German Civilians have been holding protests for its closure for years!
I'd say no more coverage in Europe would reduce America's military power quite a bit. And if America refuses to remove its forces from Europe then NATO and the UN get called in.

And Russia is in CSTO (Collective Security Treaty Organization) not the CIS.

First of all yes it is.

Second of all, I think we have reached the heart of your argument. You just have an anti-America bias. Mentioning politics in a thread that is only about military strength, only listing recent international events as evidence. I think you just dislike America, to the point where you ignore legitimate analysis on military strength just to rant about your own opinion. I could throw things like military budgets and technological advances, and you would still rant about police or something.

[Jarden]

WARS BY AMERICA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wa ... ted_States

America haswon 60 wars
lost 3

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Wait, whoa, whoa. "No matter how hard it tried?" I call bull on that. If it wanted to take over another country, and if it ignored whatever treaties it was in, the US would do it.

Yes and then it can be kicked out of the UN and will have violated multiple International Laws and NATO Forces would no longer be obligated to aid American Troops. You see a lot of countries are just waiting for the right opportunity to jump on America and beat it senseless.

What are they gonna do, invade the US? And I can't find anything saying the closure of American bases was demanded by European governments rather than because of budget issues.

[Decius]

America does not have the world's most powerful military (Disregarding whatever propaganda the American Government spits out), by far it does not.

Consider the following facts:
-What country has gained the most territory within the last ten years through involvement of Military Force?

This is not a measure of Russian military superiority over the rest of the world. This is a measure of Russian expansionism and willingness to use its military to bully its much smaller and weaker neighbours.

-What Country operates the largest Nuclear Military Arsenal?

This is not a measure of Russian military superiority. This is a measure of Russian capability to destroy the world in a suicide mission. Something America is also capable of.

-What Country has actually been able to capture a group of Terrorists and beat them back without taking ten years to do it?

Different cases have different conditions. Still not a measure of Russian military superiority over the rest of the world.

-What Country has their military wisely spread but close enough to protect their home country without keeping their forces spread thin across the globe?

America does not need as strong a defence force since it does not piss off its neighbours, Cuba is the exception. Also it's defended against foreign invasions by two large oceans, something russia doesn't have so has to make up for in a home defence force. Even then this point you put across shows that american power projection is far greater than that of Russia's.

Really, you think Cuba is the only country that harbors a grudge or even hatred against the US. What about most of the Middle East which the U.S. is pretty much occupying under the premise of 'Keeping the peace'. I highly doubt that all of Japan has forgotten about the months of firebombings on civilian targets in the 1940's and the Atomic Bombs (Again dropped on civilian targets and of the two cities only 900 Soldiers were killed and 260,000 Civilians were killed), I'd say they still harbor a grudge. And how about all the other country's of the world that the U.S. has messed with or pissed off.

It's still relevant to my argument.



Because the nobody wants part actually fits into my new argument.

America will no longer be able to deploy it's forces across the whole of the world. Why you ask? Because European Governments have demanded the closure of American Military Bases in Europe and the removal of American Forces from European Soil. And don't argue against this, if your in America you probably don't know about this because your idiotic government just covers it with more propaganda, but I live in Europe and I have seen several announcements from various European Leaders demanding that American Military Bases in Europe be closed and American Troops be removed, including here in Germany. Ramstein isn't being closed for budget reasons, it's being closed because German Civilians have been holding protests for its closure for years!
I'd say no more coverage in Europe would reduce America's military power quite a bit. And if America refuses to remove its forces from Europe then NATO and the UN get called in.

And Russia is in CSTO (Collective Security Treaty Organization) not the CIS.

First of all yes it is.

Second of all, I think we have reached the heart of your argument. You just have an anti-America bias. Mentioning politics in a thread that is only about military strength, only listing recent international events as evidence. I think you just dislike America, to the point where you ignore legitimate analysis on military strength just to rant about your own opinion. I could throw things like military budgets and technological advances, and you would still rant about police or something,

America has not made the greatest technology advancements. That goes to Germany and Japan whose militaries have some of the most sophisticated technology in the world.

And America's military budget has equal pro's and con's.

[Courlany]

Most powerful military in the world is the Superconducting Quantum Interference Device of Courlany.

[Roski]

Still Russia has managed to create a Carrier that doesn't need other ships to defend it. The Admiral Kuznetsov-Class Aircraft Cruiser. Combines the capabilities of an Aircraft Carrier with the armament of a Cruiser.

Yes, the Russian Flagship. It doesn't count really.