Pedophiles get a bad rap

[Meoton]

Washington State. Eastern side of the Cascade mountains.
A furry couple went to meet a gentleman they had met at a furry convention for dinner, conversation, and whatever... The gentleman excused himself from the room leaving the couple on the couch. After a while, they hear strange noises from the other room. The go look and find the gentleman pounding away at a midsized dog.
They excused themselves and called the police.
Apparently there is a difference between furries who like to dress up in bunny costumes and bang each other and people who like to dress up as a bunny and bang actual bunnies.
After seeing furry porn, I'm not sure I could tell the difference between them until one of them started banging the actual bunny.
Consenting adults putting on costumes and banging each other is none of my business.
Somebody trying to stuff his penis into a chihuahua, that's animal cruelty.
Not sure what being on the receiving end of a great dane is classified as.
But after being trained to do that, I'm not sure the dog would be safe to leave with children.

[Blouman Empire]

Doesn't matter what they choose.
Children are not able to give consent. (Legally or emotionally)
Adults can. (Atleast, legally)
Pedofiles can be hetrosexual, homosexual, or bi-sexual.
Hetrosexuals, homosexuals, and bi-sexuals can go about thier business without harming children, in any way.
Paedofiles, in order to endulge thier sexuallity, must harm or take advantage of children.
There is evidence that many people are born hetro or homo sexual.
There is no evidence people are born paedofiles, but plenty of evidence that it is a learned behavior.
There are plenty of ways gender preference or gender assignment can be set biologically.
I have never heard of anyone saying that paedofilia was set biologically.
Even if it was, children are legally protected from the sexual predation of adults.
If two adult paedofiles want to shave off thier body hair and dress up as Hansel and Gretal, more power to them.
But no touching the actual kids.

Which is all well and good and you do know you can be a pedophile without needing to harm any children.

And I'm sure you can post this evidence.

And it is phile (from phila)not file, your misspelling nearly forced me to spell it that way too.

[Meoton]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 151845.htm
http://allpsych.com/journal/homosexuality.html
2 articles discussing possible biological difference of homosexual males compared to hetreosexual males.
Sorry, for the spelling errors. 9th hour of 12 hour shift on the last day of my work week that is busier than normal due to the holidays and extreme weather. Tired and distracted.

[Blouman Empire]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080617151845.htm
http://allpsych.com/journal/homosexuality.html
2 articles discussing possible biological difference of homosexual males compared to hetreosexual males.
Sorry, for the spelling errors. 9th hour of 12 hour shift on the last day of my work week that is busier than normal due to the holidays and extreme weather. Tired and distracted.

I meant for pedophiles.

[Meoton]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080617151845.htm
http://allpsych.com/journal/homosexuality.html
2 articles discussing possible biological difference of homosexual males compared to hetreosexual males.
Sorry, for the spelling errors. 9th hour of 12 hour shift on the last day of my work week that is busier than normal due to the holidays and extreme weather. Tired and distracted.

I meant for pedophiles.

Not much on the subject.
It is classified as a mental disorder.
And many pedophiles also have other disorders.

http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/content/41/10/37.1.full

[SaintB]

There is a difference between having a sexual attraction to children, and being a child molester/rapist. I hold no ill will toward anyone for what they find erotic or attractive; once you act upon certain urges; such as pedophilia; you become a predator. The sexual predator is what people truly have the problem with.

[The Alma Mater]

There is a difference between having a sexual attraction to children, and being a child molester/rapist. I hold no ill will toward anyone for what they find erotic or attractive; once you act upon certain urges; such as pedophilia; you become a predator. The sexual predator is what people truly have the problem with.

Admittedly some people have problem with the attraction itself as well.
Not entirely strange - I can imagine how mr X might dislike the thought that mr Y over there desires to put his dick into Mr X's little 4 year old daughter. If he actually does it or not does not make the thought less unpleasant.
But not illegal.

[Meoton]

Yeah, non-practicing pedofiles drawn to a life of suppressing thier carnal urges. Living a celibate lifestyle. I bet they would be well suited for the priesthood....oh, wait.

[Blouman Empire]

Yeah, non-practicing pedofiles drawn to a life of suppressing thier carnal urges. Living a celibate lifestyle. I bet they would be well suited for the priesthood....oh, wait.

Fail

[Kobrania]

Yeah, non-practicing pedofiles drawn to a life of suppressing thier carnal urges. Living a celibate lifestyle. I bet they would be well suited for the priesthood....oh, wait.

Just because you get a boner over children doesn't mean you have to be celibate.

[Meoton]

Yeah, non-practicing pedofiles drawn to a life of suppressing thier carnal urges. Living a celibate lifestyle. I bet they would be well suited for the priesthood....oh, wait.

Just because you get a boner over children doesn't mean you have to be celibate.

I know. Per link in a previous post, many pedophiles have normal sex lives with other adults.
Many pedophiles don't. Many pedophiles have other mental disorders. Some don't.
Mind crimes aren't technically illegal. But if you tell the wrong counselor about your urges, you may end up institutionalized.

[Thoricia]

Yeah, non-practicing pedofiles drawn to a life of suppressing thier carnal urges. Living a celibate lifestyle. I bet they would be well suited for the priesthood....oh, wait.

Just because you get a boner over children doesn't mean you have to be celibate.

Did I read this wrong or are you seriously endorsing what I think you are

[The Alma Mater]

Yeah, non-practicing pedofiles drawn to a life of suppressing thier carnal urges. Living a celibate lifestyle. I bet they would be well suited for the priesthood....oh, wait.

Just because you get a boner over children doesn't mean you have to be celibate.

Did I read this wrong or are you seriously endorsing what I think you are

He is endorsing pedophiles fucking other adults. If they fantasise about little boys and girls while doing so is their secret.

[SaintB]

Yeah, non-practicing pedofiles drawn to a life of suppressing thier carnal urges. Living a celibate lifestyle. I bet they would be well suited for the priesthood....oh, wait.

Just because you get a boner over children doesn't mean you have to be celibate.

Did I read this wrong or are you seriously endorsing what I think you are

I think you're reading him wrong.

[Thoricia]

I feel obligated to post this link and I strongly encourage every one that has debated this issue to read it

http://www.apa.org/monitor/apr00/linking-box.aspx

[New Sociopia]

it's an interesting issue actually. The whole concept of being able to consent only above a certain age is a only a social construct.

No, it's not. It is founded on biological realities of human development. We are learning more about the workings of neurological development every day, but a lot of the realities of development have been easily observable for as long as our species has been around.

Everyone can see that a child's mind does not function the way an adult's mind does. Everyone can observe that a toddler will not exercise judgment and reason the way an adult will. Anybody who has played peek-a-boo with a baby knows that little kids do not even fully grasp physical reality right off the bat.

We are able to test whether an individual is capable of giving consent. For instance, we know that after a certain amount of morphine an individual will not be capable of making reasoned judgments. We know that an individual who has suffered particular traumatic brain injuries should not be allowed to make their own medical decisions, because they cannot understand and reason on a sufficient level. We know that individuals with certain neurological handicaps or injuries need to be regarded as legally "minors" because it would be completely unfair and unreasonable for us to expect them to show adult judgment...they aren't physically capable of it!

It's no different with normal, healthy children. The human brain is only a work in progress on the day you're born. Your brain won't have fully matured until at least your early 20s. The point of setting legal age of consent is to respect this reality. A child of 12 is not neurologically, physically, capable of exercising the same reason and critical thinking that a 22 year old is capable of.

The only question is where we decide to draw the line; how mature is mature enough to be considered "adult"? That is certainly something that can be debated, but it's a mistake to claim that age of consent is just about "social norms" or whatever.

Judgement is affected by age. The concept of consenting to sex as a legal issue is solely sociological. The age of consent in Spain is 13, in Tunisia, 20. Only those societies and their cultural norms dictate when a citizen can consent. A 13 year old could have consentual sex in Spain, travel to Tunisia, do exactly the same thing and cause a criminal investigation. In legal, social terms, there is a barrier, physiologically speaking there is evidently not. As far as I am aware Spain does not have an especially extraordinarily high or low number of rape enquiries. Of course the ability to make judgement is affected by age, but when an individual can consent to sex is based more on what a particular national culture finds acceptable than anything else.

[MachineDeath]

Obviously you don't have children; Because if any poor 'bad rap' pedophilic pervert layed a hand on my child, I would kill him. I most certainly do NOT think there are any misgivings to their reputation. It's the most dispicible thing in the world to sexually violate an innocent child. Just to have thoughts of it is disgusting; Anyone who would suggest that it is less than this is probably a pedophile themselves.

If you were that pedophile, you would be worst off in the end, even if you had not been killed. Living with a illness like peadophilia is the worst off you can be in that exchange of situations. If you would kill them, you have no morals. You have no clarity, no evidence. You are backed up by anger and nothing less, you are but ignorant of the pain and suffering of a mentally ill person. You are no better than this so called 'sex offender'.

[L3 Communications]

Prove that I'm wrong

I think he meant that YOU are also constantly thinking bad things about other people (pedophiles).

oh well then yes I do have a problem, that being said would you leave me alone in a room with a pedophile and I had baseball bat

No, I would turn you into a mental institution for specifically mentioning that you want to murder someone.

There is a difference between having a sexual attraction to children, and being a child molester/rapist. I hold no ill will toward anyone for what they find erotic or attractive; once you act upon certain urges; such as pedophilia; you become a predator. The sexual predator is what people truly have the problem with.

Quite. I agree completely.

[Thoricia]

Prove that I'm wrong

I think he meant that YOU are also constantly thinking bad things about other people (pedophiles).

oh well then yes I do have a problem, that being said would you leave me alone in a room with a pedophile and I had baseball bat

No, I would turn you into a mental institution for specifically mentioning that you want to murder someone.

But by your logic I haven't hurt anyone yet so I should be still be allowed to roam the streets unimpeded

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

But by your logic I haven't hurt anyone yet so I should be still be allowed to roam the streets unimpeded

Making you get a psychological examination =/= arresting you. Hell, I've been made to get examinations back when I was in school because of the stupid "zero tolerance" policy.

[Thoricia]

But by your logic I haven't hurt anyone yet so I should be still be allowed to roam the streets unimpeded

Making you get a psychological examination =/= arresting you. Hell, I've been made to get examinations back when I was in school because of the stupid "zero tolerance" policy.

But its only a thought,
maybe if I only thought that it was ok to jam a large object into one of their orifices then you would find it ok,
I think its hypocritical for you to advocate thoughts of sex with little children, but when I express thoughts of violence towards these people you say no you can't think that its wrong

[Resolute Prime]

But by your logic I haven't hurt anyone yet so I should be still be allowed to roam the streets unimpeded

Making you get a psychological examination =/= arresting you. Hell, I've been made to get examinations back when I was in school because of the stupid "zero tolerance" policy.

But its only a thought,
maybe if I only thought that it was ok to jam a large object into one of their orifices then you would find it ok,
I think its hypocritical for you to advocate thoughts of sex with little children, but when I express thoughts of violence towards these people you say no you can't think that its wrong

Yes, but pedophilia is a genuine medical condition that controls them. You, on the other hand, have no such compunctions. In short: they cannot control their desires. You can.

Unless, of course, you are insane/ homicidal/ have some other medical condition that makes you want to kill people for the heck of it.

[L3 Communications]

Prove that I'm wrong

I think he meant that YOU are also constantly thinking bad things about other people (pedophiles).

oh well then yes I do have a problem, that being said would you leave me alone in a room with a pedophile and I had baseball bat

No, I would turn you into a mental institution for specifically mentioning that you want to murder someone.

But by your logic I haven't hurt anyone yet so I should be still be allowed to roam the streets unimpeded

No you shouldn't. You've specifically made threats against people for something that they probably can't control. What you've said has been extremely disturbing and disconcerting.

If I knew who you were and were you lived, and had the proof to link you to this account, I'd have you turned into for a mental/psych. evaluation.

But by your logic I haven't hurt anyone yet so I should be still be allowed to roam the streets unimpeded

Making you get a psychological examination =/= arresting you. Hell, I've been made to get examinations back when I was in school because of the stupid "zero tolerance" policy.

But its only a thought,
maybe if I only thought that it was ok to jam a large object into one of their orifices then you would find it ok,
I think its hypocritical for you to advocate thoughts of sex with little children, but when I express thoughts of violence towards these people you say no you can't think that its wrong

Yes, but pedophilia is a genuine medical condition that controls them. You, on the other hand, have no such compunctions. In short: they cannot control their desires. You can.

Unless, of course, you are insane/ homicidal/ have some other medical condition that makes you want to kill people for the heck of it.

In which case he is a far bigger threat to society than your average pedophile who knows that it's wrong to harm children and all that.

[The Halseyist Faction]

But by your logic I haven't hurt anyone yet so I should be still be allowed to roam the streets unimpeded

Making you get a psychological examination =/= arresting you. Hell, I've been made to get examinations back when I was in school because of the stupid "zero tolerance" policy.

But its only a thought,
maybe if I only thought that it was ok to jam a large object into one of their orifices then you would find it ok,
I think its hypocritical for you to advocate thoughts of sex with little children, but when I express thoughts of violence towards these people you say no you can't think that its wrong

We want the Pedophiles to get help to you know.
Unfortunately, your behavior is making you sink to the same level as them, which really, is quiet saddening.

[Siobhanland]

I think you've got it a little wrong L3 Communications. It's not about making threats against paedophiles who, as you put, probably can't control it, as in the end it's still a sexual urge. In the same way that you or I can choose to walk past a person and not rip their clothes off, so too can a paedophile control their urges. I understand what you're saying about the threats, as no-one has the right to kill a paedophile, but the important point is that paedophiles can't control who they are, not that they can't control their 'urges'.