Pedophiles get a bad rap

[Blouman Empire]

ahh... but you were implying it. by asking me the question: "And because the Ancient Greeks did it it means it is good?" you are implying that it is not good, and that my justification (which, btw, is not a justification at all, but merely an example of different morals in societies) and as such, you are not keeping an open mind. Instead, you have already barricaded yourself in your belief that pedos are inherently bad, and as such, you are being ethnocentric, or at the very least, closed minded.

Which means you didn't read any of more other posts because I was defending pedophillia.

woops, my bad

still, you got to admit, barring that mistake, my logic was sound.

To an extent though one can be open minded about other peoples actions and beliefs but that doesn't mean you have to accept them as morally sound.

You can accept someones views without having to agree with them.

[Ceruleo]

It's so persuasive because parents, neighbors, and all the other people around children are not robots. It also happens because throughout history, people did not understand the nature of childhood, kids went from babies to little people who were stupid to bigger people who knew a couple extra things.

There probably are a few pedophiles that are born with the predilection to children, but most are from chaotic environments which have screwed up their arousal and self control systems. When a kid gets molested at a young age, it is pretty easy to tell what happened when you see their adult life. Pretty much anyone in pornography or prostitution has had sexual molestation, alcoholism, and/or physical, mental or verbal abuse in their past. Being in such a chaotic environment causes the victims’ arousal mechanisms to kick into overdrive. They seek chaotic, uptempo situations to fulfill that need. It’s the reason so many women who get raped had been victimized in children. They put themselves into bad situations and they are targeted by a guy from the same type of environment who is a victimizer.

I don’t mean to say that it’s the fault of rape victims that they were raped, but you do see a surprising amount of women who are raped three or four times in their life because they make an easy target. During the attack, they dissociate and just freeze. Victimizers can pick up on these cues and they attack. I bring that up, because it is the most common result of childhood traumas and it is predictable.
A lot of times when children, usually males are sexually abused, it screws up what they find attractive and they begin finding young children attractive. A lot of them will actually think that the child is a willing participant, because they can’t stand to be the victimizer like they were victimized. There are pedophiles out, I know one, who are attracted to children, but do not act on it. Fortunately in that case it seems to be how I’m very attracted to Brunettes, but blondes are okay too. He’s attracted to children, but adults are good too. I don’t think this guy I know would do anything to children because he knows it wrong.
The problem with molestation is that it creates victims, rapists, and pedophiles. And it’s a growing thing. If every pedophile averages two victims, then for every screwed up person, the next generation will have two. Personally, I think our culture, American culture that is, needs to change is to accept that what happens to us in childhood has a profound effect on our adult relationships. It seems like people who are relatively healthy can see that, but people who need to realize that they are screwed up just go, “So my father brutally beat me with his empty whiskey bottle, while my mother stood by and watched, and when I was put to bed my brother would sexually abuse me. I don’t see what that has to do with me always meeting guys who beat me and sexually abuse my children.” Personally, instead of “Second hand smoke is a first rate killer” PSAs, I’d like “if your children becomes withdrawn or has a massive change in behavior without any apparent cause, they may be getting abused,” PSAs.

Also, due to the recidivism rate of sexual crimes, I’d like them to be a capital punishment crime. Kill all of the child molesters, rapists, and the like and educate the public about the signs of abuse so that children can get therapy before they become good victims and victimizers. Stamp out the problem for the most part.

[Resolute Prime]

It's so persuasive because parents, neighbors, and all the other people around children are not robots. It also happens because throughout history, people did not understand the nature of childhood, kids went from babies to little people who were stupid to bigger people who knew a couple extra things.

There probably are a few pedophiles that are born with the predilection to children, but most are from chaotic environments which have screwed up their arousal and self control systems. When a kid gets molested at a young age, it is pretty easy to tell what happened when you see their adult life. Pretty much anyone in pornography or prostitution has had sexual molestation, alcoholism, and/or physical, mental or verbal abuse in their past. Being in such a chaotic environment causes the victims’ arousal mechanisms to kick into overdrive. They seek chaotic, uptempo situations to fulfill that need. It’s the reason so many women who get raped had been victimized in children. They put themselves into bad situations and they are targeted by a guy from the same type of environment who is a victimizer.

I don’t mean to say that it’s the fault of rape victims that they were raped, but you do see a surprising amount of women who are raped three or four times in their life because they make an easy target. During the attack, they dissociate and just freeze. Victimizers can pick up on these cues and they attack. I bring that up, because it is the most common result of childhood traumas and it is predictable.
A lot of times when children, usually males are sexually abused, it screws up what they find attractive and they begin finding young children attractive. A lot of them will actually think that the child is a willing participant, because they can’t stand to be the victimizer like they were victimized. There are pedophiles out, I know one, who are attracted to children, but do not act on it. Fortunately in that case it seems to be how I’m very attracted to Brunettes, but blondes are okay too. He’s attracted to children, but adults are good too. I don’t think this guy I know would do anything to children because he knows it wrong.
The problem with molestation is that it creates victims, rapists, and pedophiles. And it’s a growing thing. If every pedophile averages two victims, then for every screwed up person, the next generation will have two. Personally, I think our culture, American culture that is, needs to change is to accept that what happens to us in childhood has a profound effect on our adult relationships. It seems like people who are relatively healthy can see that, but people who need to realize that they are screwed up just go, “So my father brutally beat me with his empty whiskey bottle, while my mother stood by and watched, and when I was put to bed my brother would sexually abuse me. I don’t see what that has to do with me always meeting guys who beat me and sexually abuse my children.” Personally, instead of “Second hand smoke is a first rate killer” PSAs, I’d like “if your children becomes withdrawn or has a massive change in behavior without any apparent cause, they may be getting abused,” PSAs.

Also, due to the recidivism rate of sexual crimes, I’d like them to be a capital punishment crime. Kill all of the child molesters, rapists, and the like and educate the public about the signs of abuse so that children can get therapy before they become good victims and victimizers. Stamp out the problem for the most part.

Well, I can agree with you to some extent, but regarding killing the rapist and all, I might disagree (child rapist are the exception here, they can be killed (humanely) for all I care (not to mention they are better off anyways, because they would be raped and killed in prison themselves anyways) but I think life is a bad enough punishment for rape, and also, what about drunken rape. I know of (though never met) people who would do very, very stupid things when drunk.

[Jalisca]

Just the title gives whatever the intent of this thread was away.

Whoever defends pedophiles, people who satisfy their sick sexual cravings by preying on innocent children, should be treated almost as badly as those sick fuckers.

This was addressed in the thread. Not every pedophile is a rapist. Not every pedophile becomes a rapist. As I've had to reiterate a few times today, there should be no stigma with defending these people so as to enable them to gain access to treatment and help.

Tell me ONCE where I said "rape" in my original post? Using children doesn't limit them to rape. Child porn or even simply looking at them sexually falls under pedophilia.

Don't assume I meant rape.

And not every Pedophile do those action or "Use children". Some, most likely, control their urges to that extent, but are faced with the misfortune of being born with the urge. Are they, then, "sick fuckers?"

I take it you've done very little research.
Sorry but I refuse to believe that someone is naturally 'born a pedophile'. It is unfortunate that circumstances TURN people into pedophiles, but that can be avoided in many cases.

And I'm sure you've done extensive research to form such a strong opinion.

I'm sure you have as well to refute my opinion.

[Resolute Prime]

Oh, BTW, to all who may be concerned. I do not, under ANY Circumstances, promote or defend rape of any kind, especially in regards to children. Indeed, I would personally beat up anyone who rapes a child, should I have the chance. However, that being said, I do keep a level head, and try to see things in their perspective, regardless of how vile (or "moral") I feel the their actions were. Also. I love playing the devil's advocate. Not only for entertainment, but also to gain knowledge and perspective.

[Resolute Prime]

Just the title gives whatever the intent of this thread was away.

Whoever defends pedophiles, people who satisfy their sick sexual cravings by preying on innocent children, should be treated almost as badly as those sick fuckers.

This was addressed in the thread. Not every pedophile is a rapist. Not every pedophile becomes a rapist. As I've had to reiterate a few times today, there should be no stigma with defending these people so as to enable them to gain access to treatment and help.

Tell me ONCE where I said "rape" in my original post? Using children doesn't limit them to rape. Child porn or even simply looking at them sexually falls under pedophilia.

Don't assume I meant rape.

And not every Pedophile do those action or "Use children". Some, most likely, control their urges to that extent, but are faced with the misfortune of being born with the urge. Are they, then, "sick fuckers?"

I take it you've done very little research.
Sorry but I refuse to believe that someone is naturally 'born a pedophile'. It is unfortunate that circumstances TURN people into pedophiles, but that can be avoided in many cases.

And I'm sure you've done extensive research to form such a strong opinion.

I'm sure you have as well to refute my opinion.

No need to. Just ask a pedo near you (a homosexual will also suffice, since they are also more-or-less in the same chategory in terms of "sexual deviance" (I absolutely despise that term)

[Ceruleo]

[quote="Resolute Prime";p="1152080 Well, I can agree with you to some extent, but regarding killing the rapist and all, I might disagree (child rapist are the exception here, they can be killed (humanely) for all I care (not to mention they are better off anyways, because they would be raped and killed in prison themselves anyways) but I think life is a bad enough punishment for rape, and also, what about drunken rape. I know of (though never met) people who would do very, very stupid things when drunk.[/quote]

Well, the capital punishment thing is just my political beliefs, but life would work, I guess. Personally, I want very tough penalties for everything illegal and victimless crimes to be decriminalize. I would argue that people who get drunk enough to rape someone are people who had chaotic upbringings and that we should endeavor to try and spot them and treat them as children.

When I used to listen to Loveline, they claimed that all sex while intoxicated in California is technically considered rape because you cannot provide consent while intoxicated.

[Blouman Empire]

Just the title gives whatever the intent of this thread was away.

Whoever defends pedophiles, people who satisfy their sick sexual cravings by preying on innocent children, should be treated almost as badly as those sick fuckers.

This was addressed in the thread. Not every pedophile is a rapist. Not every pedophile becomes a rapist. As I've had to reiterate a few times today, there should be no stigma with defending these people so as to enable them to gain access to treatment and help.

Tell me ONCE where I said "rape" in my original post? Using children doesn't limit them to rape. Child porn or even simply looking at them sexually falls under pedophilia.

Don't assume I meant rape.

And not every Pedophile do those action or "Use children". Some, most likely, control their urges to that extent, but are faced with the misfortune of being born with the urge. Are they, then, "sick fuckers?"

I take it you've done very little research.
Sorry but I refuse to believe that someone is naturally 'born a pedophile'. It is unfortunate that circumstances TURN people into pedophiles, but that can be avoided in many cases.

And I'm sure you've done extensive research to form such a strong opinion.

I'm sure you have as well to refute my opinion.

So that would be a "no" then.

[Resolute Prime]

[quote="Resolute Prime";p="1152080 Well, I can agree with you to some extent, but regarding killing the rapist and all, I might disagree (child rapist are the exception here, they can be killed (humanely) for all I care (not to mention they are better off anyways, because they would be raped and killed in prison themselves anyways) but I think life is a bad enough punishment for rape, and also, what about drunken rape. I know of (though never met) people who would do very, very stupid things when drunk.

Well, the capital punishment thing is just my political beliefs, but life would work, I guess. Personally, I want very tough penalties for everything illegal and victimless crimes to be decriminalize. I would argue that people who get drunk enough to rape someone are people who had chaotic upbringings and that we should endeavor to try and spot them and treat them as children.

When I used to listen to Loveline, they claimed that all sex while intoxicated in California is technically considered rape because you cannot provide consent while intoxicated.[/quote]

I'm talking about the rapist being drunk

To be fair, though, I did not make this clear.

[Resolute Prime]

I take it you've done very little research.
Sorry but I refuse to believe that someone is naturally 'born a pedophile'. It is unfortunate that circumstances TURN people into pedophiles, but that can be avoided in many cases.

Pedophilia and Homosexuality (and heterosexuality, for that matter) are innate. People are born with it, it really isn't much of a choice. For example, try to change your sexual desires. go on. try it.

And you can "refuse" what ever you want, but it does not change the fact. You might as well "refuse to believe" the planet is round.

[Jalisca]

Just the title gives whatever the intent of this thread was away.

Whoever defends pedophiles, people who satisfy their sick sexual cravings by preying on innocent children, should be treated almost as badly as those sick fuckers.

This was addressed in the thread. Not every pedophile is a rapist. Not every pedophile becomes a rapist. As I've had to reiterate a few times today, there should be no stigma with defending these people so as to enable them to gain access to treatment and help.

Tell me ONCE where I said "rape" in my original post? Using children doesn't limit them to rape. Child porn or even simply looking at them sexually falls under pedophilia.

Don't assume I meant rape.

And not every Pedophile do those action or "Use children". Some, most likely, control their urges to that extent, but are faced with the misfortune of being born with the urge. Are they, then, "sick fuckers?"

I take it you've done very little research.
Sorry but I refuse to believe that someone is naturally 'born a pedophile'. It is unfortunate that circumstances TURN people into pedophiles, but that can be avoided in many cases.

And I'm sure you've done extensive research to form such a strong opinion.

I'm sure you have as well to refute my opinion.

No need to. Just ask a pedo near you (a homosexual will also suffice, since they are also more-or-less in the same chategory in terms of "sexual deviance" (I absolutely despise that term)

Homosexuals and pedophiles are two completely different categories.

[Resolute Prime]

Just the title gives whatever the intent of this thread was away.

Whoever defends pedophiles, people who satisfy their sick sexual cravings by preying on innocent children, should be treated almost as badly as those sick fuckers.

This was addressed in the thread. Not every pedophile is a rapist. Not every pedophile becomes a rapist. As I've had to reiterate a few times today, there should be no stigma with defending these people so as to enable them to gain access to treatment and help.

Tell me ONCE where I said "rape" in my original post? Using children doesn't limit them to rape. Child porn or even simply looking at them sexually falls under pedophilia.

Don't assume I meant rape.

And not every Pedophile do those action or "Use children". Some, most likely, control their urges to that extent, but are faced with the misfortune of being born with the urge. Are they, then, "sick fuckers?"

I take it you've done very little research.
Sorry but I refuse to believe that someone is naturally 'born a pedophile'. It is unfortunate that circumstances TURN people into pedophiles, but that can be avoided in many cases.

And I'm sure you've done extensive research to form such a strong opinion.

I'm sure you have as well to refute my opinion.

No need to. Just ask a pedo near you (a homosexual will also suffice, since they are also more-or-less in the same chategory in terms of "sexual deviance" (I absolutely despise that term)

Homosexuals and pedophiles are two completely different categories.

They are both involuntary sexual orientations. They also are seen as "immoral". They both do not contribute to the gene pool

[Grandydia]

Just the title gives whatever the intent of this thread was away.

Whoever defends pedophiles, people who satisfy their sick sexual cravings by preying on innocent children, should be treated almost as badly as those sick fuckers.

This was addressed in the thread. Not every pedophile is a rapist. Not every pedophile becomes a rapist. As I've had to reiterate a few times today, there should be no stigma with defending these people so as to enable them to gain access to treatment and help.

Tell me ONCE where I said "rape" in my original post? Using children doesn't limit them to rape. Child porn or even simply looking at them sexually falls under pedophilia.

Don't assume I meant rape.

And not every Pedophile do those action or "Use children". Some, most likely, control their urges to that extent, but are faced with the misfortune of being born with the urge. Are they, then, "sick fuckers?"

I take it you've done very little research.
Sorry but I refuse to believe that someone is naturally 'born a pedophile'. It is unfortunate that circumstances TURN people into pedophiles, but that can be avoided in many cases.

And I'm sure you've done extensive research to form such a strong opinion.

I'm sure you have as well to refute my opinion.

Last thing I hear, one has to provide evidence before it can be refuted.

[Thoricia]

Just the title gives whatever the intent of this thread was away.

Whoever defends pedophiles, people who satisfy their sick sexual cravings by preying on innocent children, should be treated almost as badly as those sick fuckers.

This was addressed in the thread. Not every pedophile is a rapist. Not every pedophile becomes a rapist. As I've had to reiterate a few times today, there should be no stigma with defending these people so as to enable them to gain access to treatment and help.

Tell me ONCE where I said "rape" in my original post? Using children doesn't limit them to rape. Child porn or even simply looking at them sexually falls under pedophilia.

Don't assume I meant rape.

And not every Pedophile do those action or "Use children". Some, most likely, control their urges to that extent, but are faced with the misfortune of being born with the urge. Are they, then, "sick fuckers?"

I take it you've done very little research.
Sorry but I refuse to believe that someone is naturally 'born a pedophile'. It is unfortunate that circumstances TURN people into pedophiles, but that can be avoided in many cases.

And I'm sure you've done extensive research to form such a strong opinion.

I'm sure you have as well to refute my opinion.

No need to. Just ask a pedo near you (a homosexual will also suffice, since they are also more-or-less in the same chategory in terms of "sexual deviance" (I absolutely despise that term)

Homosexuals and pedophiles are two completely different categories.

They are both involuntary sexual orientations. They also are seen as "immoral". They both do not contribute to the gene pool

Thats BS comparing homosexuals to pedophiles (hencforth known as child rapists in training) and then you go on to make homosexuality sound like a its a disease which it isn't however pedophilia IS considered a mental condition by the APA so quit drawing comparisons between the two

[Thoricia]

A little F.Y.I by the way Louisiana does carry capital punishment on its books for child rapists and even convicted and senteced one or two to death but the U.S supreme Court declared it unconstitutional last I heard

[Resolute Prime]

Just the title gives whatever the intent of this thread was away.

Whoever defends pedophiles, people who satisfy their sick sexual cravings by preying on innocent children, should be treated almost as badly as those sick fuckers.

This was addressed in the thread. Not every pedophile is a rapist. Not every pedophile becomes a rapist. As I've had to reiterate a few times today, there should be no stigma with defending these people so as to enable them to gain access to treatment and help.

Tell me ONCE where I said "rape" in my original post? Using children doesn't limit them to rape. Child porn or even simply looking at them sexually falls under pedophilia.

Don't assume I meant rape.

And not every Pedophile do those action or "Use children". Some, most likely, control their urges to that extent, but are faced with the misfortune of being born with the urge. Are they, then, "sick fuckers?"

I take it you've done very little research.
Sorry but I refuse to believe that someone is naturally 'born a pedophile'. It is unfortunate that circumstances TURN people into pedophiles, but that can be avoided in many cases.

And I'm sure you've done extensive research to form such a strong opinion.

I'm sure you have as well to refute my opinion.

No need to. Just ask a pedo near you (a homosexual will also suffice, since they are also more-or-less in the same chategory in terms of "sexual deviance" (I absolutely despise that term)

Homosexuals and pedophiles are two completely different categories.

They are both involuntary sexual orientations. They also are seen as "immoral". They both do not contribute to the gene pool

Thats BS comparing homosexuals to pedophiles (hencforth known as child rapists in training) and then you go on to make homosexuality sound like a its a disease which it isn't however pedophilia IS considered a mental condition by the APA so quit drawing comparisons between the two

Just like how homosexuals were once considered a disease? I remember that there was a moral panic back in the 20th century. And your stance on pedophiles is laughable. What ever made you think all pedophiles rape children? It is highly amusing, almost ironic that in the 80s, it is widely believed homosexuals, namely male homosexuals rape children. Every time one happened, the newspapers would publish it in all it's glory, causing widespread panic. But no-one at that time reported female children who were raped by heterosexual males, or at least, to the same extent.

And how have I made it sound like a disease? those are facts. They ARE INVOLUNTARY sexual orientations. They cannot help it. In all likelihood, pedos would Love to be "normal". They do not contribute to the Gene pool, which is thanks to biology. They are/were seen as immoral by many groups, especially religious nut jobs. Are you denying those facts?

Or are you simply distressed by the petty point that I am linking the two?

[Resolute Prime]

A little F.Y.I by the way Louisiana does carry capital punishment on its books for child rapists and even convicted and senteced one or two to death but the U.S supreme Court declared it unconstitutional last I heard

????

[Thoricia]

Pedophilia is a pattern of behavior yes some would like to to treat their condition, however more than a few do not think that anything is wrong with them, and given a chance will act on these impulses, and Homosexuality is a VOLUNTARY sexual PREFERENCE there is no such thing as the "Homo Gene" sure there MIGHT be an inclanation towards it but it is nothing more than a choice nothing more nothing le

[L3 Communications]

Partly because theres not a quick way of saying "people who fuck children"...

The rest is because its wrong to like something which the majority has deemed immoral (even if you don't act on it).

child molester.

That wasn't so hard, was it? D:

[Resolute Prime]

Pedophilia is a pattern of behavior yes some would like to to treat their condition, however more than a few do not think that anything is wrong with them, and given a chance will act on these impulses, and Homosexuality is a VOLUNTARY sexual PREFERENCE there is no such thing as the "Homo Gene" sure there MIGHT be an inclanation towards it but it is nothing more than a choice nothing more nothing le

I doubt it is clear cut. there are those who are borderline and those who are all the way. That applies to both of them. And you make pedophillia sound like something that will inevitably lead to a child rape. Whereas many do not.

[Thoricia]

Partly because theres not a quick way of saying "people who fuck children"...

The rest is because its wrong to like something which the majority has deemed immoral (even if you don't act on it).

My counter to the whole its wrong because the majority says it is. The majority of people say that racism is wrong does that make it right because the larger group of people says its wrong?

Is it ok for me to WANT TO but not act upon my urges to go plant a cross and set it on fire in my neighbors lawn because hes black
I of course cant get help because I'm afraid of what my psycologist will think of me plus theres no support group for me (yes there are orginizations for child rapists in training the first that come to mind is NAMBLA)

P.S IM NOT A RASCIST SO DONT FLAME ME SAYING I AM

[Resolute Prime]

Partly because theres not a quick way of saying "people who fuck children"...

The rest is because its wrong to like something which the majority has deemed immoral (even if you don't act on it).

child molester.

That wasn't so hard, was it? D:

molest (sexual) and rape (sex) are two different things. note he did say "fuck"

[Resolute Prime]

My counter to the whole its wrong because the majority says it is. The majority of people say that racism is wrong does that make it right because the larger group of people says its wrong?

No it does not. But it does increase the chance of it being right, especially since it is logical, rational and tested and proven. (We are all one species, and originate from Africa)

[Thoricia]

Pedophilia is a pattern of behavior yes some would like to to treat their condition, however more than a few do not think that anything is wrong with them, and given a chance will act on these impulses, and Homosexuality is a VOLUNTARY sexual PREFERENCE there is no such thing as the "Homo Gene" sure there MIGHT be an inclanation towards it but it is nothing more than a choice nothing more nothing le

I doubt it is clear cut. there are those who are borderline and those who are all the way. That applies to both of them. And you make pedophillia sound like something that will inevitably lead to a child rape. Whereas many do not.

Pedophilia will lead to child rape if the condition is not treated. Many do not because of their fear of the consequences of if they do, if there was a general state of lawlessness many of these "poor" pedophiles would take advantage of the situation. And before you say there just criminals because the law says they are does not make it ok for them to have sex with someone that it will cause permanent mental damage to.

[Resolute Prime]

Partly because theres not a quick way of saying "people who fuck children"...

The rest is because its wrong to like something which the majority has deemed immoral (even if you don't act on it).

My counter to the whole its wrong because the majority says it is. The majority of people say that racism is wrong does that make it right because the larger group of people says its wrong?

Is it ok for me to WANT TO but not act upon my urges to go plant a cross and set it on fire in my neighbors lawn because hes black
I of course cant get help because I'm afraid of what my psycologist will think of me plus theres no support group for me (yes there are orginizations for child rapists in training the first that come to mind is NAMBLA)

P.S IM NOT A RASCIST SO DONT FLAME ME SAYING I AM

Well is it OK for me to WANT TO beat up my most despised enemy? (but not do so) (come on, we all felt like killing or inflicting harm on somebody at one point of time right?) If we lock up everyone who has an impulse to harm somebody and charge them with battery, there will be what? less than a million adults left on the planet.