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Yes they are Christian but there religion is crazy believing Jezus was in America and that South Park episode made even more crazy.

Somehow, yes I do.

Nontrinitarian = Non-Christian

NO.

I believe all sects that put an importance on their own dogmas and traditions that is equal or greater than the importance put on the Bible is not really Christian, at best it is just pretend-Christian - and blasphemous at that, for abusing the Lord's name.

Examples of such blasphemy are the Roman Catholic Church, the Latter Day Saints, and Islam.

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:I think that if you worship Christ as your savior, then you are Christian. Everything else is just details.

In that case even islam is a branch of christianity.

No, God is not a space alien from Kolob with an army of goddess wives making an endless supply of gods. From what I have seen a good deal of The Book of Mormon contradicts the New Testament. I really don't understand how people believe this is Christianity; if it is then Islam is as Scholmeria said above.

Scholmeria wrote:

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:I think that if you worship Christ as your savior, then you are Christian. Everything else is just details.

In that case even islam is a branch of christianity.

Muslim reject the divinity, ressurection and crucifiction of Christ though.

I respect Mormons thoroughly, but they are not Christians. Their views are more like some sufi/judaistic sect.

As someone whom generally identifies with LDS cultural values, I won't hesitate to put forth the assertion that from a strictly secretarian standpoint, Mormonism is not "Christian" in the context through which most would define Christianity.

Mormonism is to Christianity as Christianity is to Judaism.

No.

Of course.

Scholmeria wrote:

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:I think that if you worship Christ as your savior, then you are Christian. Everything else is just details.

In that case even islam is a branch of christianity.

No, because for Muslims, Jesus is only a prophet. Not someone to be worshipped.

Ceannairceach wrote:Simple enough question, I'd think. Do you think that Mormonism, as is practiced by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, is Christian?

My family and I converted to Mormonism when I was around eight or so, and I was baptized that following year as a member of the LDS Church. In Sunday school, I was taught about Jesus Christ, God, the Gospels as well as the Book of Mormon, and generally about the religion. It is somewhat hazy, because I was so young and ended up leaving the Church a short time later, but during that time, I was taught that Mormons were Christians. That is an understanding I still have today.

But what does everyone else believe? Are Mormons, by any stretch of the term, Christian? If so, why? If not, why not?

Hmmmmm. Do they call themselves Christian?
Do they recognize Christ?

Pretty easy answer for me.

Katganistan wrote:

Ceannairceach wrote:Simple enough question, I'd think. Do you think that Mormonism, as is practiced by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, is Christian?

My family and I converted to Mormonism when I was around eight or so, and I was baptized that following year as a member of the LDS Church. In Sunday school, I was taught about Jesus Christ, God, the Gospels as well as the Book of Mormon, and generally about the religion. It is somewhat hazy, because I was so young and ended up leaving the Church a short time later, but during that time, I was taught that Mormons were Christians. That is an understanding I still have today.

But what does everyone else believe? Are Mormons, by any stretch of the term, Christian? If so, why? If not, why not?

Hmmmmm. Do they call themselves Christian?
Do they recognize Christ?

Pretty easy answer for me.

I'm afraid it's far, far, far more complicated then that. To be a Christian, you have to recognize the authority of the ecumenical councils, obey and believe church theological doctrine dating back centuries as started by the apostles themselves, agnowledge the sole legitimate authority of the holy gospels, follow the Nicene creed, etc. the list goes on and on...

The way you put it is, no offense, a blatantly gross over-simplification of one of the world's oldest and largest moral codes, theological ideologies, and belief systems.

One of the biggest problems with the heresy of mormonism is that it places too much emphasis on the book of mormon, a text with little to no connection to the original ancient gospels themselves, and never mentioned in any of the ecumenical councils or by the apostles.

Make no mistake, in due time the enemies of the original gospel shall melt like wax before the fire...

Nervium wrote:

Scholmeria wrote:In that case even islam is a branch of christianity.

Muslim reject the divinity, ressurection and crucifiction of Christ though.

So do the Mormons reject the trinity and instead of a God they believe there are aliens who live a galaxy, but yet again Mormonism is somehow Christianity.

Untaroicht wrote:

Katganistan wrote:
Hmmmmm. Do they call themselves Christian?
Do they recognize Christ?

Pretty easy answer for me.

I'm afraid it's far, far, far more complicated then that. To be a Christian, you have to recognize the authority of the ecumenical councils, obey and believe church theological doctrine dating back centuries as started by the apostles themselves, agnowledge the sole legitimate authority of the holy gospels, follow the Nicene creed, etc. the list goes on and on...

The way you put it is, no offense, a blatantly gross over-simplification of one of the world's oldest and largest moral codes, theological ideologies, and belief systems.

One of the biggest problems with the heresy of mormonism is that it places too much emphasis on the book of mormon, a text with little to no connection to the original ancient gospels themselves, and never mentioned in any of the ecumenical councils or by the apostles.

Make no mistake, in due time the enemies of the original gospel shall melt like wax before the fire...

So, according to you, nobody except Catholics is actually Christian?

Arglorand wrote:

Untaroicht wrote:
I'm afraid it's far, far, far more complicated then that. To be a Christian, you have to recognize the authority of the ecumenical councils, obey and believe church theological doctrine dating back centuries as started by the apostles themselves, agnowledge the sole legitimate authority of the holy gospels, follow the Nicene creed, etc. the list goes on and on...

The way you put it is, no offense, a blatantly gross over-simplification of one of the world's oldest and largest moral codes, theological ideologies, and belief systems.

One of the biggest problems with the heresy of mormonism is that it places too much emphasis on the book of mormon, a text with little to no connection to the original ancient gospels themselves, and never mentioned in any of the ecumenical councils or by the apostles.

Make no mistake, in due time the enemies of the original gospel shall melt like wax before the fire...

So, according to you, nobody except Catholics is actually Christian?

The last line of his post tells you all you need to know.

"I am right and everyone else is wrong. Not only are they wrong, but they're going to burn eternally in hell for making the mistake of not agreeing with my religious ideology, and I'm going to relish in it."

Anyone who acts like that/has that kind of attitude should not really be taken seriously, in my opinion.

Arglorand wrote:

Untaroicht wrote:
I'm afraid it's far, far, far more complicated then that. To be a Christian, you have to recognize the authority of the ecumenical councils, obey and believe church theological doctrine dating back centuries as started by the apostles themselves, agnowledge the sole legitimate authority of the holy gospels, follow the Nicene creed, etc. the list goes on and on...

The way you put it is, no offense, a blatantly gross over-simplification of one of the world's oldest and largest moral codes, theological ideologies, and belief systems.

One of the biggest problems with the heresy of mormonism is that it places too much emphasis on the book of mormon, a text with little to no connection to the original ancient gospels themselves, and never mentioned in any of the ecumenical councils or by the apostles.

Make no mistake, in due time the enemies of the original gospel shall melt like wax before the fire...

So, according to you, nobody except Catholics is actually Christian?

well, according to a quote from the Bible it seems like that, of course other domination reject that claim.

Definitely. Just like Catholicism, Protestantism, Anglicanism, and all the smaller christian religions are branches of Christianity.

Arglorand wrote:

Untaroicht wrote:
I'm afraid it's far, far, far more complicated then that. To be a Christian, you have to recognize the authority of the ecumenical councils, obey and believe church theological doctrine dating back centuries as started by the apostles themselves, agnowledge the sole legitimate authority of the holy gospels, follow the Nicene creed, etc. the list goes on and on...

The way you put it is, no offense, a blatantly gross over-simplification of one of the world's oldest and largest moral codes, theological ideologies, and belief systems.

One of the biggest problems with the heresy of mormonism is that it places too much emphasis on the book of mormon, a text with little to no connection to the original ancient gospels themselves, and never mentioned in any of the ecumenical councils or by the apostles.

Make no mistake, in due time the enemies of the original gospel shall melt like wax before the fire...

So, according to you, nobody except Catholics is actually Christian?

Eastern Orthodoxy is the one true church set up by the apostles themselves, the catholic church is close, but not entirely correct in it's theology (being a more reformed off-sect, if you will, mind you with a ecclesiastical structure even I can appreciate), and the hundreds of protestant sects are little more then modern day gnosticism.

If they believe that Christ came to save them and in the Christian God then they are in most sane people eyes. I have however met several religious Protestants who don't believe that. But then again they believe that the Catholic church is evil and worship a sun god. A funny place to see crazy people like this is 'Praise or bash' where i met several people like that.

Anyway, to answer the question, yes. They believe in and worship Jesus Christ as the son of the Abrahamic God, and base their beliefs partly on the New Testament (the Book of Mormon is really just an add-on to it). They accept the validity of both the New and Old Testaments.

They are Christian by definition.

Untaroicht wrote:

Arglorand wrote:So, according to you, nobody except Catholics is actually Christian?

Eastern Orthodoxy is the one true church set up by the apostles themselves, the catholic church is close, but not entirely correct in it's theology (being a more reformed off-sect, if you will, mind you with a ecclesiastical structure even I can appreciate), and the hundreds of protestant sects are little more then modern day gnosticism.

Absurd is the only word I can use here, really.

Untaroicht wrote:

Arglorand wrote:So, according to you, nobody except Catholics is actually Christian?

Eastern Orthodoxy is the one true church set up by the apostles themselves, the catholic church is close, but not entirely correct in it's theology (being a more reformed off-sect, if you will, mind you with a ecclesiastical structure even I can appreciate), and the hundreds of protestant sects are little more then modern day gnosticism.

Except that they follow virtually none of the separate tenets of the gnostic church.

Like, at all.

Untaroicht wrote:

Arglorand wrote:So, according to you, nobody except Catholics is actually Christian?

Eastern Orthodoxy is the one true church set up by the apostles themselves, the catholic church is close, but not entirely correct in it's theology (being a more reformed off-sect, if you will, mind you with a ecclesiastical structure even I can appreciate), and the hundreds of protestant sects are little more then modern day gnosticism.

You're not saying Eastern Orthodoxy is the only true Christianity. You're saying that, according to Eastern Orthodoxy and yourself, Eastern Orthodoxy is the only true Christianity. While you're entitled to believe such a view, it is not one that other Christians would accept - And I'm sure many Catholics would claim only Catholicism is truly Christian, many Anglicans would claim only Anglicanism is truly Christian, and so on.

Even if you do not belief Mormons to follow the word of Christ properly, you should at least accept that they hold by the same trait that differentiates all Christians - whether or not they are of "the one true church" - from other Abrahamic religions. They believe in Jesus Christ as the son of god and can therefore be classified as a form of Christianity. Whichever form is correct I will leave to your own opinions.