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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:12 pm

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Then why did he marry her?

Both sets of my grandparents thought it was a good idea, and, of course, there was money.
Money was the main factor.


Oh, yea.

I've never let my parents decide for me who to go out with, not even my dad has had that kind of relationship with my grandmother.
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:13 pm

Alexanda wrote:
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Then why did he marry her?

Both sets of my grandparents thought it was a good idea, and, of course, there was money.
Money was the main factor.


Why does what your grandparents thought have any weight? And why was money a factor? It seems like you were damn lucky your parents got along at all, if those where the primary factors.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:14 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Alexanda wrote:Both sets of my grandparents thought it was a good idea, and, of course, there was money.
Money was the main factor.


Why does what your grandparents thought have any weight? And why was money a factor? It seems like you were damn lucky your parents got along at all, if those where the primary factors.


See, back when the 1930s was still a thing many parents still had a say in a child's dating (or thought they had).

I lived with a grandmother who thought that way and my dad went at odds with her, always, for it. She wanted him to marry a submissive campesina from El Salvador. He ended up dating women from all over the place; and married 3 Mexican women, much to my grandmother's chagrin.
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:16 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Why does what your grandparents thought have any weight? And why was money a factor? It seems like you were damn lucky your parents got along at all, if those where the primary factors.


See, back when the 1930s was still a thing many parents still had a say in a child's dating (or thought they had).

I lived with a grandmother who thought that way and my dad went at odds with her, always, for it.


I know. It just seems plain stupid to me. You're not your parents' personal playthings. Your parents should have no say in your love life, unless there are valid concerns about things like abuse. Other than that, they should butt out and let you be.
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Postby Alexanda » Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:16 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Alexanda wrote:Both sets of my grandparents thought it was a good idea, and, of course, there was money.
Money was the main factor.


Oh, yea.

I've never let my parents decide for me who to go out with, not even my dad has had that kind of relationship with my grandmother.

My grandparents did not make the decision, but they supported it.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:18 pm

Alexanda wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Oh, yea.

I've never let my parents decide for me who to go out with, not even my dad has had that kind of relationship with my grandmother.

My grandparents did not make the decision, but they supported it.


That's what it sounded like, my bad.

But, still, money isn't the main factor for me, never has been. I guess because of my culture and the fact money never played a part in my family other than pay the bills and support the children.

I don't see why was money a factor, either. I mean, financial stability is important, yes, but I don't see why was that a main factor.
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Postby Alexanda » Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:19 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Alexanda wrote:My grandparents did not make the decision, but they supported it.


That's what it sounded like, my bad.

But, still, money isn't the main factor for me, never has been. I guess because of my culture and the fact money never played a part in my family other than pay the bills and support the children.

May I ask your culture?
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:21 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
See, back when the 1930s was still a thing many parents still had a say in a child's dating (or thought they had).

I lived with a grandmother who thought that way and my dad went at odds with her, always, for it.


I know. It just seems plain stupid to me. You're not your parents' personal playthings. Your parents should have no say in your love life, unless there are valid concerns about things like abuse. Other than that, they should butt out and let you be.


My dad's approach has been that with me, at least.

He only expects me to be happy, no matter who I marry. He knows I can survive out there so he doesn't instill into my head that money is important. His philosophy is "why go chasing money for marriage if 10 years later you will divorce said woman because she's impossible to live with?"
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Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.

"When it’s a choice of putting food on the table, or thinking about your morals, it’s easier to say you’d think about your morals, but only if you’ve never faced that decision." - Anastasia Richardson

Current Goal: Flesh out nation factbook.

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Postby Alexanda » Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:23 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Alexanda wrote:My grandparents did not make the decision, but they supported it.


That's what it sounded like, my bad.

But, still, money isn't the main factor for me, never has been. I guess because of my culture and the fact money never played a part in my family other than pay the bills and support the children.

I don't see why was money a factor, either. I mean, financial stability is important, yes, but I don't see why was that a main factor.

And before you say Western, so am I.
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:23 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
I know. It just seems plain stupid to me. You're not your parents' personal playthings. Your parents should have no say in your love life, unless there are valid concerns about things like abuse. Other than that, they should butt out and let you be.


My dad's approach has been that with me, at least.

He only expects me to be happy, no matter who I marry. He knows I can survive out there so he doesn't instill into my head that money is important. His philosophy is "why go chasing money for marriage if 10 years later you will divorce said woman because she's impossible to live with?"


Exactly.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:24 pm

Alexanda wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
That's what it sounded like, my bad.

But, still, money isn't the main factor for me, never has been. I guess because of my culture and the fact money never played a part in my family other than pay the bills and support the children.

May I ask your culture?


I'm Latino. I'm a U.S. Citizen, and live in Texas, but I am originary from El Salvador.

My dad's from El Salvador and my mom's from Mexico. My dad's family is a family of middle-class to upper-middle class entrepreneurs and my mom's family is a family of upper-middle class musicians.
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Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.

"When it’s a choice of putting food on the table, or thinking about your morals, it’s easier to say you’d think about your morals, but only if you’ve never faced that decision." - Anastasia Richardson

Current Goal: Flesh out nation factbook.

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Postby Alexanda » Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:25 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Alexanda wrote:May I ask your culture?


I'm Latino. I'm a U.S. Citizen, and live in Texas, but I am originary from El Salvador.

My dad's from El Salvador and my mom's from Mexico. My dad's family is a family of middle-class to upper-middle class entrepreneurs and my mom's family is a family of upper-middle class musicians.

And I suppose you think I am eastern?
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:25 pm

Alexanda wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
That's what it sounded like, my bad.

But, still, money isn't the main factor for me, never has been. I guess because of my culture and the fact money never played a part in my family other than pay the bills and support the children.

I don't see why was money a factor, either. I mean, financial stability is important, yes, but I don't see why was that a main factor.

And before you say Western, so am I.


Oh I wouldn't say that :lol2:

I'm as specific as possible.
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Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.

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Postby Alexanda » Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:27 pm

It was nothing like an arranged marriage: Just a supported one.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:28 pm

Alexanda wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
I'm Latino. I'm a U.S. Citizen, and live in Texas, but I am originary from El Salvador.

My dad's from El Salvador and my mom's from Mexico. My dad's family is a family of middle-class to upper-middle class entrepreneurs and my mom's family is a family of upper-middle class musicians.

And I suppose you think I am eastern?


When did I ever said that?!

I would put you more as North American, more along the lines of an upper-class family.
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Postby Alexanda » Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:28 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Alexanda wrote:And I suppose you think I am eastern?


When did I ever said that?!

I would put you more as North American, more along the lines of an upper-class family.

British, actually.
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:29 pm

Alexanda wrote:It was nothing like an arranged marriage: Just a supported one.


Fine. We get that. But how/why was money the primary factor? And you're still lucky your parents got along.
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Postby Alexanda » Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:30 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Alexanda wrote:It was nothing like an arranged marriage: Just a supported one.


Fine. We get that. But how/why was money the primary factor? And you're still lucky your parents got along.

Families like mine differ to some others.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:31 pm

Alexanda wrote:It was nothing like an arranged marriage: Just a supported one.


I got that just from your correction.

TO be fair, I don't have anyone to support or disapprove of my dating patterns in my life since I'm on my own pretty much. My parents and family have split apart due to some incidents within the family, so after these two next years go by my dad will be going away to another country and I'll stay here to make my own decisions.
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:31 pm

Alexanda wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Fine. We get that. But how/why was money the primary factor? And you're still lucky your parents got along.

Families like mine differ to some others.


That doesn't actually answer my question...
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Postby Alexanda » Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:32 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Alexanda wrote:Families like mine differ to some others.


That doesn't actually answer my question...

With have different values.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:32 pm

Alexanda wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
When did I ever said that?!

I would put you more as North American, more along the lines of an upper-class family.

British, actually.


British ancestry or immigrant British?
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Postby Alexanda » Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:33 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Alexanda wrote:British, actually.


British ancestry or immigrant British?

British ancestry.
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:34 pm

Alexanda wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
That doesn't actually answer my question...

With have different values.


Again, doesn't answer my question. Which was why. What exactly, about money, made your parents marry?
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Postby Alexanda » Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:35 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Alexanda wrote:With have different values.


Again, doesn't answer my question. Which was why. What exactly, about money, made your parents marry?

Keeping the bloodline well-off.
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