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Should this man have been arrested?

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Postby Divair2 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:25 pm

Pilotto wrote:
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You seem to confuse the ability to experience the human emotion of anger with raging anger-issues. Most people have not had their emotions surgically removed, and sometimes, in very extreme circumstances, the use of violence is warranted. Sometimes, it is necessary.

Feeling anger is fine. Justifying the use of violence against a child because he fucked another child is not simple anger. It's lack of any control over your emotions. That's the way of the Sith.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:25 pm

Divair2 wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:How so?

Because it's based on solving a problem that can be solved through non-violent means. Fairly obvious.


Except that, as I've said, it can't be solved through non-violence. The bourgeois would not simply give up their power.
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Postby Verdum » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:26 pm

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Verdum wrote:The place where one get's clean is now dirty?


No no, it's more about protection. It's a biological impulse to want to protect your children, even if you think that means kicking the ass of the little punk who's screwing your daughter behind your back. I think he was mostly angry that this was done without his knowledge, and they were sneaking around about it.

Oh I know, I was just messing around when I typed that.

It's parental instinct. You mess with my daughter(as an example) and I will most certainly bludgeon you.

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Postby Divair2 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:26 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Divair2 wrote:Because it's based on solving a problem that can be solved through non-violent means. Fairly obvious.


Except that, as I've said, it can't be solved through non-violence. The bourgeois would not simply give up their power.

That's a claim made by those who cannot see the path of peace.

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Postby Viritica » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:26 pm

Divair2 wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:How so?

Because it's based on solving a problem that can be solved through non-violent means. Fairly obvious.

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Viritica wrote:No. I don't. I have no server anger issues. You're telling me something that simply isn't true.

Denial is the first stage.

So you're going to claim that you know more about me then I do? Cool story, bro.
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Postby Diopolis » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:26 pm

Draica wrote:http://onlineathens.com/local-news/2014-03-26/athens-man-arrested-beating-teen-he-caught-showering-stepdaughter

So it's self explanatory. Should not have been arrested, in my opinion.

I agree totally.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:27 pm

Divair2 wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Except that, as I've said, it can't be solved through non-violence. The bourgeois would not simply give up their power.

That's a claim made by those who cannot see the path of peace.

No, it's a claim made by those who have seen bourgeois authorities shoot down people who have tried to pursue peace. Need I provide examples?
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Postby The Scientific States » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:27 pm

Divair2 wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:How so?

Because it's based on solving a problem that can be solved through non-violent means. Fairly obvious.

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Viritica wrote:No. I don't. I have no server anger issues. You're telling me something that simply isn't true.

Denial is the first stage.


Div, actually debate, don't try to say he has anger issues. I think that physical violence was the wrong approach, but don't say anyone who would feel a slight urge to use physical violence has severe anger issues, since it's untrue.
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Postby Bezombia » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:27 pm

Viritica wrote:
Divair2 wrote:Because it's based on solving a problem that can be solved through non-violent means. Fairly obvious.


Russia.. you mean that hellhole that's deteriorating faster than a corpse? Yea, they're not going anywhere.


Denial is the first stage.

So you're going to claim that you know more about me then I do? Cool story, bro.


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Postby Divair2 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:27 pm

Viritica wrote:
Divair2 wrote:Because it's based on solving a problem that can be solved through non-violent means. Fairly obvious.


Russia.. you mean that hellhole that's deteriorating faster than a corpse? Yea, they're not going anywhere.


Denial is the first stage.

So you're going to claim that you know more about me then I do? Cool story, bro.

You've provided all the needed information. Making an external assessment is child's play.

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Postby Norstal » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:28 pm

Pilotto wrote:
Divair2 wrote:Any person with even mild control over their behaviour wouldn't.

It would take a whole hell of a lot more than "mild control" for most people to stay their hand in a similar situation.

Again, here's the thing. Why is it always the male teenager getting beaten up? Why not beat your own daughter instead? It's an anger response if you beat up the boy, someone else's child and it's not anger if you're beating your own daughter. Because in the first case there's a clear case of wanting for self-defense. The other is a clear case of wanting to discipline your kid.
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Postby The Scientific States » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:28 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
How? If you see a person consensually having sex with your daughter, it's angering, but it certainly shouldn't make you feel the need to assault the kid.

You're forgetting though, that he didn't have time to process his emotions, it was probably less than five seconds between when he saw it, and when he hit him.


Well, then he had a bad time handling his emotions at the time.

What he did was assault, and he should've quickly thought to himself "should I use physical violence?"
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:28 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Estormo wrote:Lol, he looks like a thumb. Anyway, he had the right to do it. You don't go with a man's daughter into his house without his consent.

The daughter also lives there.
She's also not his daughter.


I didn't know the daughter bought the place or paid the bills.

There's more to family than just blood.

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Postby Kratu » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:28 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Draica wrote:http://onlineathens.com/local-news/2014-03-26/athens-man-arrested-beating-teen-he-caught-showering-stepdaughter

So it's self explanatory. Should not have been arrested, in my opinion.

I agree totally.


Why? Because two people of consenting age showered together?
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Postby The DG Elves » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:29 pm

Divair2 wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:

Russia.. you mean that hellhole that's deteriorating faster than a corpse? Yea, they're not going anywhere.


Denial is the first stage.

Then why is your "glorified" USA scared shitless of Russia and doesn't dare attack huh? Is it because your "being soft and freedom loving" has turned both Europe and USA weak and inferior and only attack poor countries like Iraq and Libya but don't dare attack Russia or China?

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Postby Norstal » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:29 pm

Divair2 wrote:
Pilotto wrote:You seem to confuse the ability to experience the human emotion of anger with raging anger-issues. Most people have not had their emotions surgically removed, and sometimes, in very extreme circumstances, the use of violence is warranted. Sometimes, it is necessary.

Feeling anger is fine. Justifying the use of violence against a child because he fucked another child is not simple anger. It's lack of any control over your emotions. That's the way of the Sith.

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Postby Viritica » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:29 pm

Divair2 wrote:
Viritica wrote:So you're going to claim that you know more about me then I do? Cool story, bro.

You've provided all the needed information. Making an external assessment is child's play.

You're not a psychologist.
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Postby Pilotto » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:30 pm

Divair2 wrote:
Pilotto wrote:You seem to confuse the ability to experience the human emotion of anger with raging anger-issues. Most people have not had their emotions surgically removed, and sometimes, in very extreme circumstances, the use of violence is warranted. Sometimes, it is necessary.

Feeling anger is fine. Justifying the use of violence against a child because he fucked another child is not simple anger. It's lack of any control over your emotions. That's the way of the Sith.

But it's not just any child. It's your child, in your house. I'm pretty sure there's a Constitutional amendment that states you have the authority in this situation to kick some ass.
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Postby The Scientific States » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:30 pm

Norstal wrote:
Pilotto wrote:It would take a whole hell of a lot more than "mild control" for most people to stay their hand in a similar situation.

Again, here's the thing. Why is it always the male teenager getting beaten up? Why not beat your own daughter instead? It's an anger response if you beat up the boy, someone else's child and it's not anger if you're beating your own daughter. Because in the first case there's a clear case of wanting for self-defense. The other is a clear case of wanting to discipline your kid.


Or, you know, don't hurt others.

I definitely would've kicked the boy out of the house, and I would've had a serious conversation with my daughter.
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Postby The Scientific States » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:30 pm

Pilotto wrote:
Divair2 wrote:Feeling anger is fine. Justifying the use of violence against a child because he fucked another child is not simple anger. It's lack of any control over your emotions. That's the way of the Sith.

But it's not just any child. It's your child, in your house. I'm pretty sure there's a Constitutional amendment that states you have the authority in this situation to kick some ass.
Does that make me a Sith?


No, there isn't.
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Postby Alyakia » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:31 pm

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Divair2 wrote:

Then why is your "glorified" USA scared shitless of Russia and doesn't dare attack huh? Is it because your "being soft and freedom loving" has turned both Europe and USA weak and inferior and only attack poor countries like Iraq and Libya but don't dare attack Russia or China?


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Postby Norstal » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:31 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Norstal wrote:Again, here's the thing. Why is it always the male teenager getting beaten up? Why not beat your own daughter instead? It's an anger response if you beat up the boy, someone else's child and it's not anger if you're beating your own daughter. Because in the first case there's a clear case of wanting for self-defense. The other is a clear case of wanting to discipline your kid.


Or, you know, don't hurt others.

I definitely would've kicked the boy out of the house, and I would've had a serious conversation with my daughter.

Kicking the boy out of the house is fine. But if you're trying to justify that beating up a kid is ok to discipline them, you don't beat up other people's kids. That's just absurd. They're trying to defend that beating up a kid is not an anger response, well, do it rationally then and not in an absurd way.
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Postby Diopolis » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:32 pm

Kratu wrote:
Diopolis wrote:I agree totally.


Why? Because two people of consenting age showered together?

More specifically, because they did so before marriage.
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Postby Divair2 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:32 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Divair2 wrote:That's a claim made by those who cannot see the path of peace.

No, it's a claim made by those who have seen bourgeois authorities shoot down people who have tried to pursue peace. Need I provide examples?

Violence in response to peace is foreseeable under any circumstances. Commies don't get exclusive rights to whine. You can follow the example of those who succeeded via peace in the past, or take the path of the Sith.

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Postby Pilotto » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:33 pm

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Divair2 wrote:Russia.. you mean that hellhole that's deteriorating faster than a corpse? Yea, they're not going anywhere.

Then why is your "glorified" USA scared shitless of Russia and doesn't dare attack huh? Is it because your "being soft and freedom loving" has turned both Europe and USA weak and inferior and only attack poor countries like Iraq and Libya but don't dare attack Russia or China?

A combination of weak leadership and an unwillingness to start World War III. If Putin really wants to test himself against the US, all he needs to do is attack a NATO member.
Wait, how is this even relevant to the topic?

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