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Should this man have been arrested?

No.
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Yes
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Postby Divair2 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:17 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Norstal wrote:I seriously cannot fathom the reason why someone would get angry if two teenagers fuck each other.


I'd be a bit pissed, but I certainly wouldn't use physical violence.

Any person with even mild control over their behaviour wouldn't.

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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:17 pm

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Farnhamia wrote:Well, LG style. One needs must take things he says with a little grain of salt. He's a writer, you know.

And a damn good one.


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Postby Viritica » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:18 pm

Divair2 wrote:
Viritica wrote:And you're wrong.

Wow, what an argument. You've convinced me.

I have no severe anger issues... Yet I would still wanna stick my foot up his ass.
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Postby The DG Elves » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:18 pm

Divair2 wrote:
The DG Elves wrote:Yes!
Spanking is fairly common as well as other types of abuse, sometimes parents put walnuts on the floor and make their kids stay on them on their knees (it's an old practice but it's still used) and even teachers in schools hit asshole kids who deserve it. How else would they grow up to be responsible adults?!
Europe and the USA are too weak and becoming ever more sissy and need to take a grip. Sometimes beatings are necessary to teach a child manners!

Remind me where you live.

Bulgaria. A member (unfortunately) of the EU
Sure "officially" we have laws against beating up kids but they are not enforced because they are retarded and we keep to the old ways! :)
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Postby Norstal » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:18 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Norstal wrote:I seriously cannot fathom the reason why someone would get angry if two teenagers fuck each other.

Really? I find that stranger than the step-father's reaction.

I mean, I get it if it's below the age of consent. You can get into rape accusations and a whole lot of other shitstorm. But they are at the age of consent. I guess they could've chose a better location, but that's about it. There's people here who would beat up teenagers, no, let me rephrase, the male teenager having sex.

What if your daughter is a lesbian and having sex with another girl? Would you beat her up too?
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:19 pm

Divair2 wrote:
Viritica wrote:And you're wrong.

Wow, what an argument. You've convinced me.

He's right though, even if he didn't give any reasoning. To say that pursuing violence to resolve an issue is always the result of "severe anger issues" is simply incorrect. Take Marxism-Leninism for instance, the ideology itself has that revolutionary violence is necessary for the proletariat to seize the state-power, because the bourgeois will not surrender it willingly. That's based on reasoning, not anger issues.
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Postby Divair2 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:19 pm

Viritica wrote:
Divair2 wrote:Wow, what an argument. You've convinced me.

I have no severe anger issues... Yet I would still wanna stick my foot up his ass.

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The DG Elves wrote:
Divair2 wrote:Remind me where you live.

Bulgaria. A member (unfortunately) of the EU
Sure "officially" we have laws against beating up kids but they are not enforced because they are retarded and we keep to the old ways! :)

And yet we're ahead of you.
Funny that.

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Postby Orvius » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:20 pm

Kratu wrote:Yes!
Spanking is fairly common as well as other types of abuse, sometimes parents put walnuts on the floor and make their kids stay on them on their knees (it's an old practice but it's still used) and even teachers in schools hit asshole kids who deserve it. How else would they grow up to be responsible adults?!
Europe and the USA are too weak and becoming ever more sissy and need to take a grip. Sometimes beatings are necessary to teach a child manners!


I agree that "spare the rod, spoil the child" is an under appreciated adage. Children are often growing up too spoiled because we don't establish consequence for actions anymore.

But really? Walnuts? What the hell.
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Postby Divair2 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:20 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Divair2 wrote:Wow, what an argument. You've convinced me.

He's right though, even if he didn't give any reasoning. To say that pursuing violence to resolve an issue is always the result of "severe anger issues" is simply incorrect. Take Marxism-Leninism for instance, the ideology itself has that revolutionary violence is necessary for the proletariat to seize the state-power, because the bourgeois will not surrender it willingly. That's based on reasoning, not anger issues.

The reasoning spawns from anger issues.

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Postby Pilotto » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:20 pm

Divair2 wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:I'd be a bit pissed, but I certainly wouldn't use physical violence.

Any person with even mild control over their behaviour wouldn't.

It would take a whole hell of a lot more than "mild control" for most people to stay their hand in a similar situation.

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Postby Viritica » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:20 pm

Divair2 wrote:
Viritica wrote:I have no severe anger issues... Yet I would still wanna stick my foot up his ass.

"I have no legs, yet I can still run with my legs."


The DG Elves wrote:Bulgaria. A member (unfortunately) of the EU
Sure "officially" we have laws against beating up kids but they are not enforced because they are retarded and we keep to the old ways! :)

And yet we're ahead of you.
Funny that.

That... That's the poorest rebuttal I've ever seen.
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Postby Divair2 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:21 pm

Pilotto wrote:
Divair2 wrote:Any person with even mild control over their behaviour wouldn't.

It would take a whole hell of a lot more than "mild control" for most people to stay their hand in a similar situation.

It really wouldn't.

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Postby Alyakia » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:21 pm

Orvius wrote:
Kratu wrote:Yes!
Spanking is fairly common as well as other types of abuse, sometimes parents put walnuts on the floor and make their kids stay on them on their knees (it's an old practice but it's still used) and even teachers in schools hit asshole kids who deserve it. How else would they grow up to be responsible adults?!
Europe and the USA are too weak and becoming ever more sissy and need to take a grip. Sometimes beatings are necessary to teach a child manners!


I agree that "spare the rod, spoil the child" is an under appreciated adage. Children are often growing up too spoiled because we don't establish consequence for actions anymore.

But really? Walnuts? What the hell.


its painful with little effort

it also probably leaves little marks

theres an entire industry basically dedicated to making your kids life hell while avoiding any evidence for the authorities

all to make sure they become responsible adults, of course
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Postby Divair2 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:21 pm

Viritica wrote:
Divair2 wrote:"I have no legs, yet I can still run with my legs."



And yet we're ahead of you.
Funny that.

That... That's the poorest rebuttal I've ever seen.

So you see the problem with your own argument. Good.

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Postby The Scientific States » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:21 pm

Pilotto wrote:
Divair2 wrote:Any person with even mild control over their behaviour wouldn't.

It would take a whole hell of a lot more than "mild control" for most people to stay their hand in a similar situation.


How? If you see a person consensually having sex with your daughter, it's angering, but it certainly shouldn't make you feel the need to assault the kid.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:21 pm

Divair2 wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:He's right though, even if he didn't give any reasoning. To say that pursuing violence to resolve an issue is always the result of "severe anger issues" is simply incorrect. Take Marxism-Leninism for instance, the ideology itself has that revolutionary violence is necessary for the proletariat to seize the state-power, because the bourgeois will not surrender it willingly. That's based on reasoning, not anger issues.

The reasoning spawns from anger issues.

How so?
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Postby The DG Elves » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:22 pm

Divair2 wrote:
Viritica wrote:

And yet we're ahead of you.
Funny that.

For now, maybe... but one day Russia will liberate us from both NATO and the EU and we shall destroy your "sham democratic principles"!
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Postby Viritica » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:22 pm

Divair2 wrote:
Viritica wrote:That... That's the poorest rebuttal I've ever seen.

So you see the problem with your own argument. Good.

No. I don't. I have no server anger issues. You're telling me something that simply isn't true.
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Postby Kratu » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:22 pm

Orvius wrote:
Kratu wrote:Yes!
Spanking is fairly common as well as other types of abuse, sometimes parents put walnuts on the floor and make their kids stay on them on their knees (it's an old practice but it's still used) and even teachers in schools hit asshole kids who deserve it. How else would they grow up to be responsible adults?!
Europe and the USA are too weak and becoming ever more sissy and need to take a grip. Sometimes beatings are necessary to teach a child manners!


I agree that "spare the rod, spoil the child" is an under appreciated adage. Children are often growing up too spoiled because we don't establish consequence for actions anymore.

But really? Walnuts? What the hell.


But violence is not the only way to punish them and thus you could punish them without abusing them.
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Postby Aeken » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:22 pm

The DG Elves wrote:
Divair2 wrote:

For now, maybe... but one day Russia will liberate us from both NATO and the EU and we shall destroy your "sham democratic principles"!
We do not support your bullshit "freedom" propaganda!

Amusing. And not the topic.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:22 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Pilotto wrote:It would take a whole hell of a lot more than "mild control" for most people to stay their hand in a similar situation.


How? If you see a person consensually having sex with your daughter, it's angering, but it certainly shouldn't make you feel the need to assault the kid.

You're forgetting though, that he didn't have time to process his emotions, it was probably less than five seconds between when he saw it, and when he hit him.
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Postby Pilotto » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:23 pm

Divair2 wrote:
Viritica wrote:I have no severe anger issues... Yet I would still wanna stick my foot up his ass.

"I have no legs, yet I can still run with my legs."

You seem to confuse the ability to experience the human emotion of anger with raging anger-issues. Most people have not had their emotions surgically removed. Sometimes, in very extreme circumstances, the use of violence is warranted. Sometimes, it's even necessary.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:23 pm

Norstal wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Really? I find that stranger than the step-father's reaction.

I mean, I get it if it's below the age of consent. You can get into rape accusations and a whole lot of other shitstorm. But they are at the age of consent. I guess they could've chose a better location, but that's about it. There's people here who would beat up teenagers, no, let me rephrase, the male teenager having sex.

What if your daughter is a lesbian and having sex with another girl? Would you beat her up too?

No, I've already said that while the parental fantasy of tossing the offending creature into a moat full of alligators is fun, I probably wouldn't react that way. I've already said that the step-father in this case overreacted. The arrest probably was justified. All that said, if my child were having sex essentially behind my back and in my house, I would be very angry and disappointed. It doesn't matter the nature of the relationship, heterosexual or homosexual.
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Postby Divair2 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:24 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Divair2 wrote:The reasoning spawns from anger issues.

How so?

Because it's based on solving a problem that can be solved through non-violent means. Fairly obvious.

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For now, maybe... but one day Russia will liberate us from both NATO and the EU and we shall destroy your "sham democratic principles"!
We do not support your bullshit "freedom" propaganda!

Russia.. you mean that hellhole that's deteriorating faster than a corpse? Yea, they're not going anywhere.

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Divair2 wrote:So you see the problem with your own argument. Good.

No. I don't. I have no server anger issues. You're telling me something that simply isn't true.

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Postby Orvius » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:24 pm

Personally, I think he should have just roared the kid out of his abode and had a stern talk with his daughter about asking first before they gunk up the plumbing with their "teen juices".

But I can understand that things can get under hand in the heat of passion. It's fair for him to be arrested, but I understand why he did it.
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