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Should this man have been arrested?

No.
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24%
Yes
58
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Neutral
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Total votes : 91

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Hosenaso
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Postby Hosenaso » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:06 pm

At first I thought this meant he beat a boy who was sexually assaulting his stepdaughter, in which event, I would consider his actions justified in a way. But both were consenting and the boy appeared to have done nothing wrong. The arrest was certainly deserved.

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Postby The Scientific States » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:06 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
From a legal standpoint, I do believe he is a child.

Then the law needs to recognize that that is not the case; there is gray area.


Elaborate.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:06 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Divair2 wrote:People often forget corporal punishment is still illegal. Said people are often violent in the first place.


Isn't it not corporal punishment, if the person that was beaten was not the aggressor's child?

No, "corporal" means "of the body." Or KP, if you're in the Army.
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Postby Viritica » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:06 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Viritica wrote:In the heat of the moment after he caught a man naked with his daughter... In the shower...


I understand that it's infuriating to see a teenager in the shower with your daughter, but assaulting the kid because of your anger? That's terrible.

Yes, but I doubt he was thinking rationally at that time.
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Postby Cyyro » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:06 pm

Isn't there something better to cover in Athens? Like some kind of riot or more tax evasion? Oh wait, this is probably some US city or county named after Athens...gosh...why can't we name our stuff originally?
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Postby Divair2 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:06 pm

The DG Elves wrote:It's news like this that makes me glad I live in a country where it's legal and common for kids to get belted when they are doing such shit. They can't just bring strangers without there parent's permission! -_-'
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The Scientific States
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Postby The Scientific States » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:07 pm

Viritica wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
I understand that it's infuriating to see a teenager in the shower with your daughter, but assaulting the kid because of your anger? That's terrible.

Yes, but I doubt he was thinking rationally at that time.


Considering the fact that he beat up a person, no shit.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:07 pm

Hosenaso wrote:At first I thought this meant he beat a boy who was sexually assaulting his stepdaughter, in which event, I would consider his actions justified in a way. But both were consenting and the boy appeared to have done nothing wrong. The arrest was certainly deserved.

I'm fairly sure that 16 y/o ... people cannot give consent to have sex, even to someone their one age.
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Postby Divair2 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:07 pm

Cyyro wrote:Isn't there something better to cover in Athens? Like some kind of riot or more tax evasion? Oh wait, this is probably some US city or county named after Athens...gosh...why can't we name our stuff originally?

Because the USA as a whole isn't original?

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Postby Viritica » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:08 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Viritica wrote:Yes, but I doubt he was thinking rationally at that time.


Considering the fact that he beat up a person, no shit.

You have to admit, if you caught your daughter naked with her boyfriend you'd wanna beat his stupid face in, too.
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Postby Divair2 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:08 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Hosenaso wrote:At first I thought this meant he beat a boy who was sexually assaulting his stepdaughter, in which event, I would consider his actions justified in a way. But both were consenting and the boy appeared to have done nothing wrong. The arrest was certainly deserved.

I'm fairly sure that 16 y/o ... people cannot give consent to have sex, even to someone their one age.

In what country/state?

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Postby Viritica » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:08 pm

Divair2 wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:I'm fairly sure that 16 y/o ... people cannot give consent to have sex, even to someone their one age.

In what country/state?

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Postby Alyakia » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:08 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Hosenaso wrote:At first I thought this meant he beat a boy who was sexually assaulting his stepdaughter, in which event, I would consider his actions justified in a way. But both were consenting and the boy appeared to have done nothing wrong. The arrest was certainly deserved.

I'm fairly sure that 16 y/o ... people cannot give consent to have sex, even to someone their one age.

"The age of consent in Georgia is 16 "
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Postby Divair2 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:08 pm

Viritica wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
Considering the fact that he beat up a person, no shit.

You have to admit, if you caught your daughter naked with her boyfriend you'd wanna beat his stupid face in, too.

Not really. I'd leave them be and talk to my daughter about protection once the boyfriend was gone.

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United Marxist Nations
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:08 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Then the law needs to recognize that that is not the case; there is gray area.


Elaborate.

16 year olds certainly do not appear like children. I've had several people mistake me as being older than I really am, some have even thought into my twenties. I'm only a year older than the guy in the story. Moreover, biology would certainly classify him as closer to an adult than to a child (clearly being of mating age and all).
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Postby Verdum » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:09 pm

Now that I take a look at the title it sounds like he beat the boy down in the shower while his daughter assisted.

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The Scientific States
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Postby The Scientific States » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:09 pm

Viritica wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
Considering the fact that he beat up a person, no shit.

You have to admit, if you caught your daughter naked with her boyfriend you'd wanna beat his stupid face in, too.


No, but I'd certainly yell at him, and kick him out of the house.
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Postby Pilotto » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:09 pm

Divair2 wrote:
Viritica wrote:You have to admit, if you caught your daughter naked with her boyfriend you'd wanna beat his stupid face in, too.

Not really. I'd leave them be and talk to my daughter about protection once the boyfriend was gone.

Somehow I seriously, seriously doubt that would be the case.

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Postby The Scientific States » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:09 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
Elaborate.

16 year olds certainly do not appear like children. I've had several people mistake me as being older than I really am, some have even thought into my twenties. I'm only a year older than the guy in the story. Moreover, biology would certainly classify him as closer to an adult than to a child (clearly being of mating age and all).


I understand what you're saying, but a child is someone defined as under 18.

I'm not saying he was a child, but from a legal standpoint, he was.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:10 pm

Divair2 wrote:
Viritica wrote:You have to admit, if you caught your daughter naked with her boyfriend you'd wanna beat his stupid face in, too.

Not really. I'd leave them be and talk to my daughter about protection once the boyfriend was gone.

You say that now, but I somehow doubt that would be the case.
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Postby Alyakia » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:10 pm

Hosenaso wrote:At first I thought this meant he beat a boy who was sexually assaulting his stepdaughter, in which event, I would consider his actions justified in a way. But both were consenting and the boy appeared to have done nothing wrong. The arrest was certainly deserved.


first i thought it was one of those cases

then i thought he literally picked up the daughter and beat the boy with his new daughter-club. and now i'm reading every "i misread the title" as that.
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Postby Viritica » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:10 pm

Pilotto wrote:
Divair2 wrote:Not really. I'd leave them be and talk to my daughter about protection once the boyfriend was gone.

Somehow I seriously, seriously doubt that would be the case.

I second this.
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Postby Divair2 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:10 pm

Pilotto wrote:
Divair2 wrote:Not really. I'd leave them be and talk to my daughter about protection once the boyfriend was gone.

Somehow I seriously, seriously doubt that would be the case.

Not everyone has severe anger issues.

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Postby Viritica » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:10 pm

Divair2 wrote:
Pilotto wrote:Somehow I seriously, seriously doubt that would be the case.

Not everyone has severe anger issues.

One doesn't need severe anger issues to wanna kick his ass.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:10 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:16 year olds certainly do not appear like children. I've had several people mistake me as being older than I really am, some have even thought into my twenties. I'm only a year older than the guy in the story. Moreover, biology would certainly classify him as closer to an adult than to a child (clearly being of mating age and all).


I understand what you're saying, but a child is someone defined as under 18.

I'm not saying he was a child, but from a legal standpoint, he was.

And that's why I'm saying the law needs to not do that, and instead have more elaborate definitions that are more in-line with reality.
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