Man arrested for beating down boy in shower with daughter

[Jetan]

They can make rules alright. But that does not mean the kids are legally required to obey. Or that the parents are free to break the law if the kids don't obey.

Then the child will be punished for disobeying. Simple as that.

But not by beating them up.

[Senkaku]

Yes, they can do this. Punishment does not equal compliance.


Edit: and they can't punish the other kid, much less beat them up.

You are quite right that punishment does not equal compliance. Kids will disobey their parents.

You didn't read the bottom part of my post. If someone bangs your daughter, you can punish her, but you can't punish the kid she fucked.

[Baader-Meinhof Gruppe]

They can make rules alright. But that does not mean the kids are legally required to obey. Or that the parents are free to break the law if the kids don't obey.

Then the child will be punished for disobeying. Simple as that.

Punished within reason and legality. Children are not slaves after all.

[Trollgaard]

You are quite right that punishment does not equal compliance. Kids will disobey their parents.

You didn't read the bottom part of my post. If someone bangs your daughter, you can punish her, but you can't punish the kid she fucked.

You can scare the wrath of god into them, though. And take it up with the other kids parents for sure.

[Alcase]

Well, they are both in the wrong.

[Risottia]

I'm talking about parental rights.

There is no such thing. Prerogative =/= right. Duty =/= right.

[Jetan]

Well, they are both in the wrong.

Not really. The kids didn't break any laws, the stepfather did.

[Senkaku]

You didn't read the bottom part of my post. If someone bangs your daughter, you can punish her, but you can't punish the kid she fucked.

You can scare the wrath of god into them, though. And take it up with the other kids parents for sure.

But you cannot, say, punch them. Which is what this fellow did.

[Baltenstein]

When I read the title, I imagined a man who angrily swung his daughter like a club while beating the boy with her.

[Trollgaard]

Well, they are both in the wrong.

Not really. The kids didn't break any laws, the stepfather did.

What is your hang up on kids not obeying their parents? Of course they don't legally have to, I suppose, but they are supposed to. The parents are the authority figure of the house, and their word is law.

[Trollgaard]

You can scare the wrath of god into them, though. And take it up with the other kids parents for sure.

But you cannot, say, punch them. Which is what this fellow did.

I admit, he may have got a bit far, but its nothing I wouldn't have potentially done in the heat of the moment.

[Brilliant Equestria]

Evidently it's not the end of the story. What's more, you're blatantly in the wrong here. If the kids are over the age of content you have no legal say in who they have sex with or not.

I'm talking about parental rights. Parents can forbid their child from seeing a certain boy or girl, and punish their child if they disobey.

From what I'm getting from you it seems like parents have no rights to make rules for their children.

Parents don't have rights to make rules for their children that go against the law. Suggesting otherwise is tantamount to declaring children to be property.

What is your hang up on kids not obeying their parents? Of course they don't legally have to, I suppose, but they are supposed to. The parents are the authority figure of the house, and their word is law.

No, it's not. The law is law. You don't get to break it because you don't like it.

[Wisconsin9]

Not really. The kids didn't break any laws, the stepfather did.

What is your hang up on kids not obeying their parents? Of course they don't legally have to, I suppose, but they are supposed to. The parents are the authority figure of the house, and their word is law.

No, the law is law.

[Viritica]

Not really. The kids didn't break any laws, the stepfather did.

What is your hang up on kids not obeying their parents? Of course they don't legally have to, I suppose, but they are supposed to. The parents are the authority figure of the house, and their word is law.

The parents are the legal guardians. What they say goes.

[Trollgaard]

I'm talking about parental rights. Parents can forbid their child from seeing a certain boy or girl, and punish their child if they disobey.

From what I'm getting from you it seems like parents have no rights to make rules for their children.

Parents don't have rights to make rules for their children that go against the law. Suggesting otherwise is tantamount to declaring children to be property.

Saying your kids can't fuck in your house isn't against the law.

[Jetan]

Not really. The kids didn't break any laws, the stepfather did.

What is your hang up on kids not obeying their parents? Of course they don't legally have to, I suppose, but they are supposed to. The parents are the authority figure of the house, and their word is law.

No, their word is most definately not law. You do not gain any magical exra juridical powers by becoming a parent.

[Quackenbushia]

Never said they were not......if they are of consenting age, of which both of these kids were, then it is fine....never said they should not

But you did say her stepfather should be allowed to beat up boys who do have sex with her, which amounts to pretty much the same thing.

No, I said that the stepfather overreacted, he was perfectly within his rights to order him from the home, not to beat the punk.

[Trollgaard]

What is your hang up on kids not obeying their parents? Of course they don't legally have to, I suppose, but they are supposed to. The parents are the authority figure of the house, and their word is law.

No, the law is law.

And as long as the parents aren't breaking the law, their word is law in their house.

There, I think we figured it out.

[Senkaku]

But you cannot, say, punch them. Which is what this fellow did.

I admit, he may have got a bit far, but its nothing I wouldn't have potentially done in the heat of the moment.

So you now admit he didn't have any right to beat him up! Good.

Everyone! NSG may have just produced an actual consensus!

[Brilliant Equestria]

Parents don't have rights to make rules for their children that go against the law. Suggesting otherwise is tantamount to declaring children to be property.

Saying your kids can't fuck in your house isn't against the law.

No, it's not. Assaulting a minor is, however. If I were the prosecutor, I'd nail him to the wall. Make him an example for the (alarmingly-prevalent, judging by this thread) "children are property" demographic.

[Jetan]

No, the law is law.

And as long as the parents aren't breaking the law, their word is law in their house.

There, I think we figured it out.

No, I think you still fancy yourself a future legistlator. That's not how it works, by the way.

[Viritica]

Does no one here except Trollgaard understand that the parents are her legal guardians, and that what they say goes?

[Divair2]

Does no one here except Trollgaard understand that the parents are her legal guardians, and that what they say goes?

Do you not understand corporal punishment is illegal?

[Risottia]

, and their word is law.

No.
The law is the law. The law is above the authority of any legal custodian. It's the custodian's duty to comply with the law, and not the other way around.

[Jetan]

Does no one here except Trollgaard understand that the parents are her legal guardians, and that what they say goes?

If the law says the kids can fuck, the kids can fuck. The parents opinion doesn't enter it.