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Should this man have been arrested?

No.
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24%
Yes
58
64%
Neutral
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12%
 
Total votes : 91

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Trollgaard
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Postby Trollgaard » Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:59 pm

Jetan wrote:
Trollgaard wrote:
Not in my house, if I have children.

The law is not interested in your opinion.


My house, my rules.

The law can't say that kids are allowed to have sex in their parent's house.

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Postby Salandriagado » Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:59 pm

Trollgaard wrote:
Divair2 wrote:Minors are allowed to have sex.


Not in my house, if I have children.


Cool. Don't let them then. Also, don't assault people. Not exactly rocket science.
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Postby Viritica » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:00 pm

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Viritica wrote:I've already sourced the age of majority for you. She's not legally an adult. They supersede her.

Wikipedia is not a source and is not tailored to the state of Alabama.
Try harder. I did for you.

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/alcode/26/1/26-1-1

Turns out its 19.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:00 pm

Geilinor wrote:

Any person in this state, at the arrival at the age of 19 years, shall be relieved of his disabilities of minority and thereafter shall have the same legal rights and abilities as persons over 21 years of age.

Shouldn't it be 18 years and does that say 19 year olds have the same legal rights as those over 21?

Nope. Alabama age of majority, 19 years.
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Postby Divair2 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:00 pm

Duuuude Im Stoned wrote:
Divair2 wrote:I learn from the best.

Who dat! Can I have his number?

My father is currently unavailable. Somewhere in Austria, I believe. I don't bother to keep track nowadays.

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Postby Senkaku » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:01 pm

Trollgaard wrote:
Jetan wrote:The law is not interested in your opinion.


My house, my rules.

The law can't say that kids are allowed to have sex in their parent's house.

In that case, as long as you're in your house, you can beat your children, rape your wife, and, if you feel so inclined, shoot your neighbors through the window.

Pretty sure that wouldn't fly.


Edit: also, it sure seems like the law does say that.
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Duuuude Im Stoned
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Postby Duuuude Im Stoned » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:01 pm

Hmmm just checking in here but people defending the father have nearly no legal grounds?

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Postby Divair2 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:01 pm

Duuuude Im Stoned wrote:Hmmm just checking in here but people defending the father have nearly no legal grounds?

None at all.

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Postby Kelinfort » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:01 pm

Duuuude Im Stoned wrote:Hmmm just checking in here but people defending the father have nearly no legal grounds?

No legal basis at all.
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Postby Draica » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:01 pm

Duuuude Im Stoned wrote:
Draica wrote:

I don't think people under 18 should be having sexual intercourse. What adults do in their bedroom is none of my business.


And why not?



Plenty of reasons. They're not ready to take care of a child(there's no such thing as safe sex)

They shouldn't be focused on sex, it distracts from school and other fun activities.


HPV can't be 100% protected against by condoms, they are not ready for the emotional trauma and pain HPV comes with. Most teens aren't even vaccinated against HPV.

Plenty of other reasons, these are just a few.
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Postby Magna Libero » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:02 pm

Jetan wrote:
Magna Libero wrote:Even 3 months for this kind of a petty crime? Isn't that a little bit exaggerated?

Beating a kid up for no justifiable reason is not worth that in your opinion? :eyebrow:

No. Rehabilitation would be the max punishment I would give him. For example a therapist could help him and perhaps they could discuss in a group about their "feelings" or whatever psychologists discuss.

This man probably had a job. I don't see any reason why he should be locked behind the bars and isolated from the society and double-drain the resources of the society -- he both lost his eventual job and is a burden for the prison system. The real problem seems to be his behaviour problem or attitude or whatever, therefore that should be addressed, if it's in anyway possible.
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Postby Driving Fast » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:02 pm

Hay, at least the kid hit it, pop that pu$$y
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Postby Kelinfort » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:02 pm

Draica wrote:
Duuuude Im Stoned wrote:
And why not?



Plenty of reasons. They're not ready to take care of a child(there's no such thing as safe sex)

They shouldn't be focused on sex, it distracts from school and other fun activities.

What other fun activities? :blink:
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Postby Baader-Meinhof Gruppe » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:02 pm

He hit a minor, that's despicable no matter what. Second, he's oppressing his daughter. Hopefully he does some time.

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Wisconsin9
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:02 pm

Draica wrote:
Duuuude Im Stoned wrote:
And why not?



Plenty of reasons. They're not ready to take care of a child(there's no such thing as safe sex)

They shouldn't be focused on sex, it distracts from school and other fun activities.


HPV can't be 100% protected against by condoms, they are not ready for the emotional trauma and pain HPV comes with. Most teens aren't even vaccinated against HPV.

Plenty of other reasons, these are just a few.

Still waiting to hear what makes it any of your business.
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Postby Trollgaard » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:03 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Trollgaard wrote:
My house, my rules.

The law can't say that kids are allowed to have sex in their parent's house.

In that case, as long as you're in your house, you can beat your children, rape your wife, and, if you feel so inclined, shoot your neighbors through the window.

Pretty sure that wouldn't fly.


Edit: also, it sure seems like the law does say that.


You know what I meant, don't turn this into semantics.

If a parent says their kids can't have sex in their house then the kids can't. End of story.

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Senkaku
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Postby Senkaku » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:03 pm

Draica wrote:
Duuuude Im Stoned wrote:
And why not?



Plenty of reasons. They're not ready to take care of a child(there's no such thing as safe sex)

They shouldn't be focused on sex, it distracts from school and other fun activities.


HPV can't be 100% protected against by condoms, they are not ready for the emotional trauma and pain HPV comes with. Most teens aren't even vaccinated against HPV.

Plenty of other reasons, these are just a few.

So your reason for why the guy should be allowed to beat up random teenage guys that his daughter may (or may not) have had sex with, is "cuz they might get the STDs or the pregnant."
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Jetan
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Postby Jetan » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:03 pm

Trollgaard wrote:
Jetan wrote:The law is not interested in your opinion.


My house, my rules.

The law can't say that kids are allowed to have sex in their parent's house.

It sure as hell doesn't say they aren't.
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Postby Duuuude Im Stoned » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:03 pm

So this is clearly a moralistic argument. In which case I must ask.... What if the stepfather found his stepdaughter with another woman?

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Postby Divair2 » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:04 pm

Duuuude Im Stoned wrote:So this is clearly a moralistic argument. In which case I must ask.... What if the stepfather found his stepdaughter with another woman?

Quick, get the camera.

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Postby Brilliant Equestria » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:04 pm

Draica wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:What, exactly, makes it any business of yours whether or not I fuck?



I don't think people under 18 should be having sexual intercourse. What adults do in their bedroom is none of my business.

And what you think is totally irrelevant. The law says the age of consent is 16. Depending on the state, there might even be what are called "Romeo and Juliet exceptions" that say people younger than that can have sex as long as they're within 2 years of each other.

The "age of consent is universally 18" myth comes from Hollywood. It's 18 in California and so it bleeds into popular culture from television and movies. The highest in the US is actually on military bases in foreign countries, where it's 18 or the local age, whichever is higher.
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Postby Duuuude Im Stoned » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:05 pm

Trollgaard wrote:
Senkaku wrote:In that case, as long as you're in your house, you can beat your children, rape your wife, and, if you feel so inclined, shoot your neighbors through the window.

Pretty sure that wouldn't fly.


Edit: also, it sure seems like the law does say that.


You know what I meant, don't turn this into semantics.

If a parent says their kids can't have sex in their house then the kids can't. End of story.

You sound like a dictator -_-

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Trollgaard
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Postby Trollgaard » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:05 pm

Jetan wrote:
Trollgaard wrote:
My house, my rules.

The law can't say that kids are allowed to have sex in their parent's house.

It sure as hell doesn't say they aren't.


Nor should it. That is the domain of the parents to make the rules.

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Postby Senkaku » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:05 pm

Trollgaard wrote:
Senkaku wrote:In that case, as long as you're in your house, you can beat your children, rape your wife, and, if you feel so inclined, shoot your neighbors through the window.

Pretty sure that wouldn't fly.


Edit: also, it sure seems like the law does say that.


You know what I meant, don't turn this into semantics.

If a parent says their kids can't have sex in their house then the kids can't. End of story.

The kids are still going to have sex, unless you lock them away in their rooms for basically their entire life. And if you do that, they'll just jack off a lot.
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Postby The Merchant Republics » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:05 pm

Reasonable reaction?

Possibly, I'm certain he won't serve time for it. But this is actually a fair charge. He did do those things clearly, and a trial by jury would be the best way to determine whether his actions were merited.

Do I think he was right to do it? Probably not. Could I see myself doing it in the same situation. Quite possible.
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