Man arrested for beating down boy in shower with daughter

[Sbrachvinkistan]

Is that surprising? Since when did teenagers have respect in general?

20-30 years ago... At least in ex-Soviet countries...

Come on, not all of us are that disrespectful. Personally I would be ashamed if I ever did that, mostly scared though.

[Riiser-Larsen]

I have no problem letting my daughter have sex with a boy her age (16) but it should not be done in my home without my permission... clearly the daughter has no respect for her father in this case.

FYI, you don't own your children. They are not your property, and you don't get to decide whether or not they can fulfill their own biological needs. It's perfectly plausible for her to have a great respect for her father- while also not necessarily agreeing or abiding by everything he says. I mean, I have a great respect for the Buddha, it doesn't mean I think I should meditate every single time I feel upset.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

The charges in this are pretty ridiculous, "excessive cruelty to minors"? No, this was not excessive cruelty. At the same time though, he certainly should have been arrested for this, just not for such severe charges. If it's obvious that the person in the house is your daughter's boyfriend, you can't beat him up just because you think he had sex with her, there is no law which allows you to do that. If he threatened the father, or refused to leave after being asked, then it would be justified. Otherwise, the guy deserves at least minor assault charges, or a lawsuit.

Well, he beat up a naked teenager. As his stepdaughter watched. He beat him to a pulp.

Not from the story. The story makes it sound like he punched the kid a couple times. Beating to a pulp typically involves hospitalization. I've been beaten to a pulp before.

[Trollgaard]

Assault under certain circumstances, like a situation like this, should be acceptable, or only have a very stern lecture and a wag of the finger as a punishment. And no, when it comes to family legal or not does not matter in the slightest.

And what should those circumstances be, exactly? And how far should the "injured party" be allowed to take their beating? And if they go up against a ripped 17-year-old who boxes, is he allowed to hit back?

Also, should your moral code be forced on the entire nation just so you can take out your anger issues on teenage boys?

Again, dumbest idea since pistol dueling.

Although I'm sure if you thought it would work, you'd allow fathers to duel guys who fucked their daughters. Because, I mean, if she sleeps with anyone other than her husband much later in life, it brings disgrace on your family, right? Your neighbors will sneer when they see you, your boss will speak to you with a slight hint of disgust, and your daughter will have to become a spinster, weaving shirts for her brothers who will be forced to take less prestigious postings due to their sister's shame. *nods sagely*

A fights a fight, isn't it?

I think many people would be quite understanding and lenient in cases like this, so perhaps some type of examples, precedents, situations should be included in the law books for this very reason.

The very fact that you sneer at the idea of a father being angry and punishing the would be suitor in such a situation is contemptuous.

[Viritica]

She's 16 years old. He parents still make the rules. She's a teenager, she's emotionally unstable, hormonally driven, and runs the risk of getting pregnant or catching STDs. Teens don't always practice safe sex, no matter how much teaching they receive. Yeah... But no.

She's at the age of consent. Legally speaking, your authority can take a break.

Secondly, teenagers are more cogent than it seems. Yeah, 16 year olds aren't exactly running at 100% capacity but they aren't entirely stupid. Just because teens don't always practice safe sex doesn't mean you that you should throw out all education.

It's also worth noting that she was fucking him in her father's house... In his shower...

[The DG Elves]

I have no problem letting my daughter have sex with a boy her age (16) but it should not be done in my home without my permission... clearly the daughter has no respect for her father in this case.

FYI, you don't own your children. They are not your property, and you don't get to decide whether or not they can fulfill their own biological needs. It's perfectly plausible for her to have a great respect for her father- while also not necessarily agreeing or abiding by everything he says. I mean, I have a great respect for the Buddha, it doesn't mean I think I should meditate every single time I feel upset.

I never said my children are "property", I said it's her choice to make whether she will fuck a guy or not, just not in my house WITHOUT my permission!

[Silent Majority]

The very fact that you sneer at the idea of a father being angry and punishing the would be suitor in such a situation is contemptuous.

No, it's called "being a decent human being"

[Senkaku]

Is that surprising? Since when did teenagers have respect in general?

20-30 years ago... At least in ex-Soviet countries...

And the Prague Uprising, orchestrated almost entirely by young (very young) political dissidents, is proof of this.

Also, the USSR was great. No rebellious teenagers, good moral fiber...


...the NKVD...

[The Grim Reaper]

She's at the age of consent. Legally speaking, your authority can take a break.

Secondly, teenagers are more cogent than it seems. Yeah, 16 year olds aren't exactly running at 100% capacity but they aren't entirely stupid. Just because teens don't always practice safe sex doesn't mean you that you should throw out all education.

It's also worth noting that she was fucking him in her father's house... In his shower...

*Her step-father's

[Duuuude Im Stoned]

20-30 years ago... At least in ex-Soviet countries...

Come on, not all of us are that disrespectful. Personally I would be ashamed if I ever did that, mostly scared though.

I was joking. I'm a teenager. I (usually) respect everyone.

[Viritica]

Or you could just not let her have sex. Put her on lockdown. Stuff like that. It's that whole, "You'll hate me for this, but you'll thank me one day" type of thing.

I really hope you never have children or, if you do, they grow-up to hate you.

All of this "family honor" and "children are property" bullshit is symbolic of a barbaric, savage society. It has no place it the modern world where the rule of law is paramount. I've been a local cop for years and I don't know how it works where you're from, but a full-grown man assaulting a minor wouldn't get any sympathy here. He'd be lucky if he avoided being taught a lesson of his own.

Savagery is not wanting your daughter to be fucked in your shower?

K.

[Geilinor]

20-30 years ago... At least in ex-Soviet countries...

And the Prague Uprising, orchestrated almost entirely by young (very young) political dissidents, is proof of this.

Also, the USSR was great. No rebellious teenagers, good moral fiber...


...the NKVD...

"The USSR was sooooo great, everyone was soooo obedient!" That's what happens in police states.

[Senkaku]

FYI, you don't own your children. They are not your property, and you don't get to decide whether or not they can fulfill their own biological needs. It's perfectly plausible for her to have a great respect for her father- while also not necessarily agreeing or abiding by everything he says. I mean, I have a great respect for the Buddha, it doesn't mean I think I should meditate every single time I feel upset.

I never said my children are "property", I said it's her choice to make whether she will fuck a guy or not, just not in my house WITHOUT my permission!

And if your daughter and her boyfriend came up to you and said, "do you mind if we have sex in the shower," you would totally say yes.

[Streetgrind]

And what should those circumstances be, exactly? And how far should the "injured party" be allowed to take their beating? And if they go up against a ripped 17-year-old who boxes, is he allowed to hit back?

Also, should your moral code be forced on the entire nation just so you can take out your anger issues on teenage boys?

Again, dumbest idea since pistol dueling.

Although I'm sure if you thought it would work, you'd allow fathers to duel guys who fucked their daughters. Because, I mean, if she sleeps with anyone other than her husband much later in life, it brings disgrace on your family, right? Your neighbors will sneer when they see you, your boss will speak to you with a slight hint of disgust, and your daughter will have to become a spinster, weaving shirts for her brothers who will be forced to take less prestigious postings due to their sister's shame. *nods sagely*

A fights a fight, isn't it?

I think many people would be quite understanding and lenient in cases like this, so perhaps some type of examples, precedents, situations should be included in the law books for this very reason.

The very fact that you sneer at the idea of a father being angry and punishing the would be suitor in such a situation is contemptuous.

Have you even read this thread? I don't think I've found any other person than you that advocated for beating down adolescents as the most logical punishment there is. Yeah, the dad can be mad about it. I totally agree with you. But to advocate violence? As the rule of law?

Please don't run for office.

[Viritica]

She's 16 years old. He parents still make the rules. She's a teenager, she's emotionally unstable, hormonally driven, and runs the risk of getting pregnant or catching STDs. Teens don't always practice safe sex, no matter how much teaching they receive. Yeah... But no.

Adults are not always emotionally stable. Adults are also hormonally driven. Adults are also at risk of becoming pregnant and catching STDs. Adults also do not always practice safe sex.

She said yes. It seems like, at this point, besides the antiquated morals from the 1500s, your only objection was that they did it in your shower.

It has a drain. If they for some reason don't use a condom (probably due to lack of education brought on by similar moral codes that would demand she stay a virgin until she leaves the house), his cum'll just wash right on down the drain.

Wash down the drain?

You... Really have no idea how anything works... Do you?

I'm done. Your credibility is gone. Goodbye.

[Duuuude Im Stoned]

I really hope you never have children or, if you do, they grow-up to hate you.

All of this "family honor" and "children are property" bullshit is symbolic of a barbaric, savage society. It has no place it the modern world where the rule of law is paramount. I've been a local cop for years and I don't know how it works where you're from, but a full-grown man assaulting a minor wouldn't get any sympathy here. He'd be lucky if he avoided being taught a lesson of his own.

Savagery is not wanting your daughter to be fucked in your shower?

K.

Savagery is thinking you have complete control over your daughter, and thinking you can make up obsolete excuses like honor to beat the shit out of someone.

[Draica]

I'm a teenager, believe it or not, I guess I was just raised old school and some people weren't. But I'd never do anything like this, I'd never disrespect another man's house and daughter like this. Never. Just putting that out there.

[Viritica]

I never said my children are "property", I said it's her choice to make whether she will fuck a guy or not, just not in my house WITHOUT my permission!

And if your daughter and her boyfriend came up to you and said, "do you mind if we have sex in the shower," you would totally say yes.

It's his house and his shower.

She has no right to be doing it in his house if he doesn't want her to.

[Pensalum]

I'm surprised, appalled and disappointed that there are people one this site advocating assault for the sake of what? Family honor? Parenthood? Parenting isn't about using fists, violence breeds violence. Not to mention the fact that the boy isn't even his son. Is it right that these kids were having sex? Frankly I don't care, it's not illegal, and it doesn't constitute a violent reaction under any circumstances. Ever.

[Geilinor]

I'm a teenager, believe it or not, I guess I was just raised old school and some people weren't. But I'd never do anything like this, I'd never disrespect another man's house and daughter like this. Never. Just putting that out there.

How was the daughter disrespected?

[Viritica]

Savagery is not wanting your daughter to be fucked in your shower?

K.

Savagery is thinking you have complete control over your daughter, and thinking you can make up obsolete excuses like honor to beat the shit out of someone.

When did I say anything about honor?

You really do sound like you're stoned.

[Senkaku]

And what should those circumstances be, exactly? And how far should the "injured party" be allowed to take their beating? And if they go up against a ripped 17-year-old who boxes, is he allowed to hit back?

Also, should your moral code be forced on the entire nation just so you can take out your anger issues on teenage boys?

Again, dumbest idea since pistol dueling.

Although I'm sure if you thought it would work, you'd allow fathers to duel guys who fucked their daughters. Because, I mean, if she sleeps with anyone other than her husband much later in life, it brings disgrace on your family, right? Your neighbors will sneer when they see you, your boss will speak to you with a slight hint of disgust, and your daughter will have to become a spinster, weaving shirts for her brothers who will be forced to take less prestigious postings due to their sister's shame. *nods sagely*

A fights a fight, isn't it?

I think many people would be quite understanding and lenient in cases like this, so perhaps some type of examples, precedents, situations should be included in the law books for this very reason.

The very fact that you sneer at the idea of a father being angry and punishing the would be suitor in such a situation is contemptuous.

The last bit? That was satire. Have you heard of this place called the Spanish Empire? Yeah? People whose daughters slept around were not viewed highly there in the four-ish centuries after Columbus.

[Streetgrind]

I'm a teenager, believe it or not, I guess I was just raised old school and some people weren't. But I'd never do anything like this, I'd never disrespect another man's house and daughter like this. Never. Just putting that out there.

I'm also a teenager. I don't believe that having consensual sex is disrespectful to the daughter. However, I'm a bit lost. How would having sex with his daughter be disrespecting the man?

[The DG Elves]

I never said my children are "property", I said it's her choice to make whether she will fuck a guy or not, just not in my house WITHOUT my permission!

And if your daughter and her boyfriend came up to you and said, "do you mind if we have sex in the shower," you would totally say yes.

I would say: get a room! (somewhere else)
if they want to fuck they should at least pay for a room somewhere! Cuz otherwise it's kinda funny AND stupid if they are horny for sex yet not willing to pay for a place of there own... I am not running a charity or a WHOREHOUSE!

[Trollgaard]

The very fact that you sneer at the idea of a father being angry and punishing the would be suitor in such a situation is contemptuous.

No, it's called "being a decent human being"

No, its called being weak stomached individual with questionable morals.