Man arrested for beating down boy in shower with daughter

[Trollgaard]

I see it as entirely acceptable, and thus should be legal, and somehow I doubt a lot of juries would be too rough on dad's in similar circumstances. And healthy? Eh, life's not healthy. Drama is part of life.

Well, I wouldn't go that far. Assault should be illegal. But when it comes to family, would that really matter?

Assault under certain circumstances, like a situation like this, should be acceptable, or only have a very stern lecture and a wag of the finger as a punishment. And no, when it comes to family legal or not does not matter in the slightest.

[Duuuude Im Stoned]

I have been trying to say this for literal hours. So many people have said same thing. No one listens ......

They may have been at the age of consent, but they had no right doing it in the father's house without his permission! If you don't ask permission and yet fuck his daughter like a man, then prepare to fight like one because most sensible dads will attack!

(This is my last response before I leave) Dude she invited him into the house! It's not a patriarchal society. Minors do have rights ye know....

[The DG Elves]

Just because it's legal for teens the age of 16 to fuck doesn't mean it's "right"... what's next: 10 year old's fucking? Cuz by your troll logic I think you are in favor of removing the age "bar" altogether... Yeah it's legal why don't we fuck for the heck of it?! -_-

[Streetgrind]

There's part of the problem. Look, I understand you would worry and protect your kids from threats. It's the totally rational thing to do. But the fact of the matter is you don't give a fuck about what she wants, so why is she going to care about your rules? That's not very effective. Hell, it's almost worse than having no rules.

I understand you want limits and don't want her to pop out babies like a pez dispenser. Thing is, beating up the kid isn't going to change the fact that she has a sex drive she is willing to satiate. If she wants to have sex, she is going to have sex and there is not a single god damn thing you are going to be able to do to change her fucking mind. Savvy? Violence is only going to push her away from you and teach her to not fuck in the house. Which is counterintuitive. Safest place for her to do the work of God is in a place she knows and you know: her home. Driving her out means finding riskier locations to do the do.

Lastly, why not talk to her about contraception so she doesn't get pregnant, or at least lowers the possibility? That's the safest method. If you really cared about your hypothetical daughter, you'd understand that some rules just aren't worth the enforcing.

Or you could just not let her have sex. Put her on lockdown. Stuff like that. It's that whole, "You'll hate me for this, but you'll thank me one day" type of thing.

Have you ever read Romeo and Juliet? Yeah. That's what your lockdown would do. Maybe not to the extent, but it definitely would not be beneficial if she did not consent to it.

You can't force your beliefs on others if they don't consent to it. Granted, there are few exceptions. This is not one of them. She had reached the age of consent, therefore your days of controlling her body are largely at the end. Locking her down from illicit substances, I understand. This? Fuck no.

[Duuuude Im Stoned]

Just because it's legal for teens the age of 16 to fuck doesn't mean it's "right"... what's next: 10 year old's fucking? Cuz by your troll logic I think you are in favor of removing the age "bar" altogether... Yeah it's legal why don't we fuck for the heck of it?! -_-

Who are you addressing?

[Silent Majority]

Just because it's legal for teens the age of 16 to fuck doesn't mean it's "right"... what's next: 10 year old's fucking? Cuz by your troll logic I think you are in favor of removing the age "bar" altogether... Yeah it's legal why don't we fuck for the heck of it?! -_-

This is one of the worst chains of logic I've ever come across, and that's saying a lot.

[The DG Elves]

They may have been at the age of consent, but they had no right doing it in the father's house without his permission! If you don't ask permission and yet fuck his daughter like a man, then prepare to fight like one because most sensible dads will attack!

(This is my last response before I leave) Dude she invited him into the house! It's not a patriarchal society. Minors do have rights ye know....

Does she own the house, does she have a document? No! So technically she can't invite him. Yes Minors do have rights of course, but limited seeing how they are not complete adults yet. And as I said, it's like a stranger who doesn't own my house "invites" another stranger into it (no document of ownership no anything)

[Duuuude Im Stoned]

Ever time I try and leave another stupid message comes up!!! Why!!!

[Kratu]

Just because it's legal for teens the age of 16 to fuck doesn't mean it's "right"... what's next: 10 year old's fucking? Cuz by your troll logic I think you are in favor of removing the age "bar" altogether... Yeah it's legal why don't we fuck for the heck of it?! -_-

But 10 Year Old's are not of a sexual age as 16 Year Old's are.

[Viritica]

Or you could just not let her have sex. Put her on lockdown. Stuff like that. It's that whole, "You'll hate me for this, but you'll thank me one day" type of thing.

Have you ever read Romeo and Juliet? Yeah. That's what your lockdown would do. Maybe not to the extent, but it definitely would not be beneficial if she did not consent to it.

You can't force your beliefs on others if they don't consent to it. Granted, there are few exceptions. This is not one of them. She had reached the age of consent, therefore your days of controlling her body are largely at the end. Locking her down from illicit substances, I understand. This? Fuck no.

She's 16 years old. He parents still make the rules. She's a teenager, she's emotionally unstable, hormonally driven, and runs the risk of getting pregnant or catching STDs. Teens don't always practice safe sex, no matter how much teaching they receive. Yeah... But no.

[Duuuude Im Stoned]

(This is my last response before I leave) Dude she invited him into the house! It's not a patriarchal society. Minors do have rights ye know....

Does she own the house, does she have a document? No! So technically she can't invite him. Yes Minors do have rights of course, but limited seeing how they are not complete adults yet. And as I said, it's like a stranger who doesn't own my house "invites" another stranger into it (no document of ownership no anything)

And you have proof of this "technicality" ..... Right?

[Viritica]

Ever time I try and leave another stupid message comes up!!! Why!!!

Stop whining and go.

[The DG Elves]

I have no problem letting my daughter have sex with a boy her age (16) but it should not be done in my home without my permission... clearly the daughter has no respect for her father in this case.

[Senkaku]

Well, I wouldn't go that far. Assault should be illegal. But when it comes to family, would that really matter?

Assault under certain circumstances, like a situation like this, should be acceptable, or only have a very stern lecture and a wag of the finger as a punishment. And no, when it comes to family legal or not does not matter in the slightest.

And what should those circumstances be, exactly? And how far should the "injured party" be allowed to take their beating? And if they go up against a ripped 17-year-old who boxes, is he allowed to hit back?

Also, should your moral code be forced on the entire nation just so you can take out your anger issues on teenage boys?

Again, dumbest idea since pistol dueling.

Although I'm sure if you thought it would work, you'd allow fathers to duel guys who fucked their daughters. Because, I mean, if she sleeps with anyone other than her husband much later in life, it brings disgrace on your family, right? Your neighbors will sneer when they see you, your boss will speak to you with a slight hint of disgust, and your daughter will have to become a spinster, weaving shirts for her brothers who will be forced to take less prestigious postings due to their sister's shame. *nods sagely*

[Duuuude Im Stoned]

I have no problem letting my daughter have sex with a boy her age (16) but it should not be done in my home without my permission... clearly the daughter has no respect for her father in this case.

Is that surprising? Since when did teenagers have respect in general?

[Free State Of Canada (Ancient)]

But its not in defense as nothing harmful was happening.

Tell that to the daughter who later gets dumped by him and figures out that he has been using her to have sex with her only...

i Never said he did i said that is the ONLY reason anyone should hit anyone.

[The DG Elves]

I have no problem letting my daughter have sex with a boy her age (16) but it should not be done in my home without my permission... clearly the daughter has no respect for her father in this case.

Is that surprising? Since when did teenagers have respect in general?

20-30 years ago... At least in ex-Soviet countries...

[Riiser-Larsen]

The charges in this are pretty ridiculous, "excessive cruelty to minors"? No, this was not excessive cruelty. At the same time though, he certainly should have been arrested for this, just not for such severe charges. If it's obvious that the person in the house is your daughter's boyfriend, you can't beat him up just because you think he had sex with her, there is no law which allows you to do that. If he threatened the father, or refused to leave after being asked, then it would be justified. Otherwise, the guy deserves at least minor assault charges, or a lawsuit.

[Kratu]

Tell that to the daughter who later gets dumped by him and figures out that he has been using her to have sex with her only...

i Never said he did i said that is the ONLY reason anyone should hit anyone.

True sorry I jumped to conclusions as defending someone or yourself makes sense I misinterpreted why you were stating that.

[Streetgrind]

Have you ever read Romeo and Juliet? Yeah. That's what your lockdown would do. Maybe not to the extent, but it definitely would not be beneficial if she did not consent to it.

You can't force your beliefs on others if they don't consent to it. Granted, there are few exceptions. This is not one of them. She had reached the age of consent, therefore your days of controlling her body are largely at the end. Locking her down from illicit substances, I understand. This? Fuck no.

She's 16 years old. He parents still make the rules. She's a teenager, she's emotionally unstable, hormonally driven, and runs the risk of getting pregnant or catching STDs. Teens don't always practice safe sex, no matter how much teaching they receive. Yeah... But no.

She's at the age of consent. Legally speaking, your authority can take a break.

Secondly, teenagers are more cogent than it seems. Yeah, 16 year olds aren't exactly running at 100% capacity but they aren't entirely stupid. Just because teens don't always practice safe sex doesn't mean you that you should throw out all education.

[Teamora]

There's part of the problem. Look, I understand you would worry and protect your kids from threats. It's the totally rational thing to do. But the fact of the matter is you don't give a fuck about what she wants, so why is she going to care about your rules? That's not very effective. Hell, it's almost worse than having no rules.

I understand you want limits and don't want her to pop out babies like a pez dispenser. Thing is, beating up the kid isn't going to change the fact that she has a sex drive she is willing to satiate. If she wants to have sex, she is going to have sex and there is not a single god damn thing you are going to be able to do to change her fucking mind. Savvy? Violence is only going to push her away from you and teach her to not fuck in the house. Which is counterintuitive. Safest place for her to do the work of God is in a place she knows and you know: her home. Driving her out means finding riskier locations to do the do.

Lastly, why not talk to her about contraception so she doesn't get pregnant, or at least lowers the possibility? That's the safest method. If you really cared about your hypothetical daughter, you'd understand that some rules just aren't worth the enforcing.

Or you could just not let her have sex. Put her on lockdown. Stuff like that. It's that whole, "You'll hate me for this, but you'll thank me one day" type of thing.

I really hope you never have children or, if you do, they grow-up to hate you.

All of this "family honor" and "children are property" bullshit is symbolic of a barbaric, savage society. It has no place it the modern world where the rule of law is paramount. I've been a local cop for years and I don't know how it works where you're from, but a full-grown man assaulting a minor wouldn't get any sympathy here. He'd be lucky if he avoided being taught a lesson of his own.

[Senkaku]

Have you ever read Romeo and Juliet? Yeah. That's what your lockdown would do. Maybe not to the extent, but it definitely would not be beneficial if she did not consent to it.

You can't force your beliefs on others if they don't consent to it. Granted, there are few exceptions. This is not one of them. She had reached the age of consent, therefore your days of controlling her body are largely at the end. Locking her down from illicit substances, I understand. This? Fuck no.

She's 16 years old. He parents still make the rules. She's a teenager, she's emotionally unstable, hormonally driven, and runs the risk of getting pregnant or catching STDs. Teens don't always practice safe sex, no matter how much teaching they receive. Yeah... But no.

Adults are not always emotionally stable. Adults are also hormonally driven. Adults are also at risk of becoming pregnant and catching STDs. Adults also do not always practice safe sex.

She said yes. It seems like, at this point, besides the antiquated morals from the 1500s, your only objection was that they did it in your shower.

It has a drain. If they for some reason don't use a condom (probably due to lack of education brought on by similar moral codes that would demand she stay a virgin until she leaves the house), his cum'll just wash right on down the drain.

[Donut section]

Doesn't matter what the sixteen year olds were doing.

Guy bashed a minor, lock him up throw away the key.

[Duuuude Im Stoned]

The charges in this are pretty ridiculous, "excessive cruelty to minors"? No, this was not excessive cruelty. At the same time though, he certainly should have been arrested for this, just not for such severe charges. If it's obvious that the person in the house is your daughter's boyfriend, you can't beat him up just because you think he had sex with her, there is no law which allows you to do that. If he threatened the father, or refused to leave after being asked, then it would be justified. Otherwise, the guy deserves at least minor assault charges, or a lawsuit.

Well, he beat up a naked teenager. As his stepdaughter watched. He beat him to a pulp.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Stepdaughter.

And not every father is a raving maniac.

Doesn't mean he cares for her any less.

And one doesn't need to be a raving maniac to wanna beat this kid's face in if you catch him fucking your daughter.

Want to? No. To actually do so? Yeah. See, fathers who aren't raving maniacs have all of the same feelings as raving maniacs. We just know how to keep them under control.