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Postby Ikania » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:26 pm

It would be better if they did because it would be easier to communicate with the majority of the populace, but we shouldn't force them to do anything.
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Postby Gallup » Thu Mar 27, 2014 5:26 pm

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Free Market, dear sir. Everyone has to climb the ladder. If he is capable that is.


Rather insensitive today eh?

How is he being insensitive?
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Postby Risottia » Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:41 am

Alaizia wrote:
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Actually, your mainly capitalistic, competitive, materialistic and uber-consuming society appears to need a lot of immigrants who have no choice but to get LOUSY jobs (which means salary dumping, basically).


Free Market, dear sir. Everyone has to climb the ladder. If he is capable that is.


Considering how the uppermost steps of the ladder are occupied already by people who don't take lightly people climbing up and actually do their best to keep other people down, and how that ladder is propped upright by people who stay at the bottom... need for lousy jobs. Unless the uppermost steps decide out of charitable feelings that some can be allowed to step up a bit - to replace someone else.

"Free market" currently is just a libertarian buzzword for "privilege of the rich". In such contingency, there's no need for immigrants to learn the local language.

As for "everyone has to climb the ladder if he's able to do so", that's actually socialism, not "free market". Everyone suggesting that the playing field should be levelled (as in sharing a common language) is pushing for socialism. Not that this wouldn't be a good thing imho, but I don't see it happening in the UGFASCSA (United God-Fearing Anti-Socialist Consumerist States of America).
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Postby Estormo » Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:10 am

Of course they should, would you go to the Netherlands and live there and not speak Dutch?
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Postby Risottia » Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:11 am

Estormo wrote:Of course they should, would you go to the Netherlands and live there and not speak Dutch?

I know plenty of Americans who live in Italy and can't speak Italian.
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Postby Estormo » Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:19 am

Risottia wrote:
Estormo wrote:Of course they should, would you go to the Netherlands and live there and not speak Dutch?

I know plenty of Americans who live in Italy and can't speak Italian.

Then why would they live in Italy? They're too ignorant to take their time and learn Italian.
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Postby Gallup » Fri Mar 28, 2014 6:25 am

Risottia wrote:
Estormo wrote:Of course they should, would you go to the Netherlands and live there and not speak Dutch?

I know plenty of Americans who live in Italy and can't speak Italian.

Their fault.
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Postby Divair2 » Fri Mar 28, 2014 6:37 am

Estormo wrote:
Risottia wrote:I know plenty of Americans who live in Italy and can't speak Italian.

Then why would they live in Italy? They're too ignorant to take their time and learn Italian.

Because it's fairly simple to get by with minimal knowledge of the local language.

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Postby Keyboard Warriors » Fri Mar 28, 2014 6:54 am

Estormo wrote:Of course they should, would you go to the Netherlands and live there and not speak Dutch?

I would if I was going there to work or something. Why would I pass up a job just because I don't speak Dutch? I don't need to be fluent in order to communicate the basics to people.
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Postby Gallup » Fri Mar 28, 2014 6:56 am

Keyboard Warriors wrote:
Estormo wrote:Of course they should, would you go to the Netherlands and live there and not speak Dutch?

I would if I was going there to work or something. Why would I pass up a job just because I don't speak Dutch? I don't need to be fluent in order to communicate the basics to people.

It makes it much harder and is in your best interests to learn the tounge.
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Postby Keyboard Warriors » Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:00 am

Gallup wrote:
Keyboard Warriors wrote:I would if I was going there to work or something. Why would I pass up a job just because I don't speak Dutch? I don't need to be fluent in order to communicate the basics to people.

It makes it much harder and is in your best interests to learn the tounge.

Sure. But like I said, I'm not going to turn down a desirable job just because I can't speak the native language. I'm not really obligated to learn anymore of the local language than what I need to get by either. Most people learn the language over time, the few that don't aren't worth worrying about.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:00 am

Estormo wrote:Of course they should, would you go to the Netherlands and live there and not speak Dutch?

I imagine I'd get by just fine if I did.


Gallup wrote:
Keyboard Warriors wrote:I would if I was going there to work or something. Why would I pass up a job just because I don't speak Dutch? I don't need to be fluent in order to communicate the basics to people.

It makes it much harder and is in your best interests to learn the tounge.

Rather depends on what your interests are.

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Postby Ashmoria » Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:17 am

Estormo wrote:Of course they should, would you go to the Netherlands and live there and not speak Dutch?

which is why its not a problem in the US. people come here and learn English. it takes some people longer than others. some never get particularly good at it. but everyone tries because you cant get by here without being able to speak to people.
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Postby Estormo » Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:57 am

Divair2 wrote:
Estormo wrote:Then why would they live in Italy? They're too ignorant to take their time and learn Italian.

Because it's fairly simple to get by with minimal knowledge of the local language.

It's completely useless. People who only speak English wouldn't be liked in France, which is why the parisians are so pissed and tired of seeing people not trying to learn French.
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Postby Estormo » Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:57 am

Ifreann wrote:
Estormo wrote:Of course they should, would you go to the Netherlands and live there and not speak Dutch?

I imagine I'd get by just fine if I did.


Gallup wrote:It makes it much harder and is in your best interests to learn the tounge.

Rather depends on what your interests are.

To hold a good job, you would need to understand the native language.
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Postby Keyboard Warriors » Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:59 am

Estormo wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I imagine I'd get by just fine if I did.



Rather depends on what your interests are.

To hold a good job, you would need to understand the native language.

Not necessarily and not at all for a lot of jobs which people might be persuaded to travel to a foreign country.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:03 am

Estormo wrote:
Divair2 wrote:Because it's fairly simple to get by with minimal knowledge of the local language.

It's completely useless. People who only speak English wouldn't be liked in France, which is why the parisians are so pissed and tired of seeing people not trying to learn French.

I thought you were talking about people in Italy.


Estormo wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I imagine I'd get by just fine if I did.



Rather depends on what your interests are.

To hold a good job, you would need to understand the native language.

Not necessarily.

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Postby Divair2 » Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:14 am

Estormo wrote:
Divair2 wrote:Because it's fairly simple to get by with minimal knowledge of the local language.

It's completely useless. People who only speak English wouldn't be liked in France, which is why the parisians are so pissed and tired of seeing people not trying to learn French.

I don't speak French. I went to Paris. I was pretty well liked.

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Postby Estormo » Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:16 am

Keyboard Warriors wrote:
Estormo wrote:To hold a good job, you would need to understand the native language.

Not necessarily and not at all for a lot of jobs which people might be persuaded to travel to a foreign country.

Definitely in France ! ;)
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Postby Estormo » Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:17 am

Probably because you respected our culture and didn't act like this.
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Postby Divair2 » Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:18 am

Estormo wrote:Probably because you respected our culture and didn't act like this.
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There's no connection between respecting culture and learning a language. I told you why people would live in Italy without learning Italian. Now you're going randomly way off-topic.

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Postby Estormo » Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:19 am

Ifreann wrote:
Estormo wrote:It's completely useless. People who only speak English wouldn't be liked in France, which is why the parisians are so pissed and tired of seeing people not trying to learn French.

I thought you were talking about people in Italy.


Estormo wrote:To hold a good job, you would need to understand the native language.

Not necessarily.

Of course, in broader terms, it depends on the job. You might be able to work at a Mexican restaurant as a Mexican migrant with little to no English. But you could not hold an office job in a non Mexican area, could you?
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I am neither "Left" or "Right", but I am syncretic. I agree with both sides on certain issues and disagree with both sides on certain issues. There would be too much to explain, if you would like to know my views on certain things, then go to my factbook. Or just see me on NSG.
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Postby Estormo » Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:20 am

Divair2 wrote:
Estormo wrote:Probably because you respected our culture and didn't act like this.
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There's no connection between respecting culture and learning a language. I told you why people would live in Italy without learning Italian. Now you're going randomly way off-topic.

Part of respecting the culture is learning the language. Not learning a tiny bit of French and coming here and only speaking English would be disrespectful, I am sure the Americans and the English feel the same about me.
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Postby Hannibal Lector Society » Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:20 am

I think everyone should learn more than one language
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Postby Estormo » Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:21 am

Hey OP, you should have added a poll.
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