Should Immigrants to the USA learn English?

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

I'm also assuming you have a problem with Jewish courts, Christian courts?

I read the article, they're nothing like you said.

I'm an atheist. I'm not too fond of them.

And what exactly did I say they were? I said that they dealt with Sharia law. That is exactly what this article says the courts deal with.

Not enough to get the massive hate on that Islamic courts engender.

[The Ashtar Galactic Command]

Obviously, It's just a burden on them and others if they don't.

[The Scientific States]

I'm also assuming you have a problem with Jewish courts, Christian courts?

I read the article, they're nothing like you said.

I'm an atheist. I'm not too fond of them.

And what exactly did I say they were? I said that they dealt with Sharia law. That is exactly what this article says the courts deal with.

I am too.

The courts don't enforce sharia law or anything. They don't change anything. Stop worrying.

[Libertarian California]

wat

It is a waste to fund special schools to teach these people English, money that comes ultimately from the tax payer.

No it isn't. Teaching people English makes them more competitive and thus more likely to get a job, so that they can then pay taxes.

Unless you think having masses of unemployed foreigners is a good idea.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

Obviously, It's just a burden on them and others if they don't.

Again, no one is saying they shouldn't, just that we shouldn't force them.

[The Scientific States]

It is a waste to fund special schools to teach these people English, money that comes ultimately from the tax payer.

No it isn't. Teaching people English makes them more competitive and thus more likely to get a job, so that they can then pay taxes.

Unless you think having masses of unemployed foreigners is a good idea.

Often times, non-English speakers can find work.

[Viritica]

Then, why limit ourselves to English speakers, when English has nothing to do with their ability to function in society?

I think I have established that it does have an impact on their ability to function in society. If you seriously can't see how not being able to speak the native language would be a serious handicap, or how immigrants who know the native language would be preferable to immigrants who don't, then you are not worth my time.

But it's xenophobic to ask people to speak the language of a country, man!

[Estormo]

If we have found ourselves already accepting every single qualified, English-speaking potential immigrant, and still have room for more, then we can move on to the qualified, non-English speaking potential immigrants.

Then, why limit ourselves to English speakers, when English has nothing to do with their ability to function in society?

Once upon a time...nations had primary languages...

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

It is a waste to fund special schools to teach these people English, money that comes ultimately from the tax payer.

No it isn't. Teaching people English makes them more competitive and thus more likely to get a job, so that they can then pay taxes.

Unless you think having masses of unemployed foreigners is a good idea.

Only, getting a job doesn't require you to know English, and most are able to hold jobs without knowing English at all.

Thus, your justification for more state enthroachment on the individual liberties is completely authoritarian and only justified by a remarkably unlibertarian xenophobia.

[The Scientific States]

I think I have established that it does have an impact on their ability to function in society. If you seriously can't see how not being able to speak the native language would be a serious handicap, or how immigrants who know the native language would be preferable to immigrants who don't, then you are not worth my time.

But it's xenophobic to ask people to speak the language of a country, man!

We're not saying it is. Please, don't put words in my mouth. I called the UKIP xenophobic, not you.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

Then, why limit ourselves to English speakers, when English has nothing to do with their ability to function in society?

Once upon a time...nations had primary languages...

Once upon a time, there was a little boy named Estormo who posted up random non-sequiturs...

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

It is a waste to fund special schools to teach these people English, money that comes ultimately from the tax payer.

No it isn't. Teaching people English makes them more competitive and thus more likely to get a job, so that they can then pay taxes.

Unless you think having masses of unemployed foreigners is a good idea.

No one is arguing that immigrants shouldn't learn English. They shouldn't be forced. Besides, it's not like not knowing English prevents them from working. It has been said enough in this thread that non-English speaking immigrants hold jobs, every day. And they pay taxes. I've seen the tax forms in as many languages as the colors of the rainbow. Services in the US are given in several languages other than English.

[Viritica]

I'm an atheist. I'm not too fond of them.

And what exactly did I say they were? I said that they dealt with Sharia law. That is exactly what this article says the courts deal with.

I am too.

The courts don't enforce sharia law or anything. They don't change anything. Stop worrying.

I just think it represents a failure on the part of Britain to integrate its immigrants. I mean, people have described walking into a Muslim community in Britain as if they were leaving London and walking into Baghdad. Integration is healthy for a country and eases racial tension.

[Libertarian California]

No it isn't. Teaching people English makes them more competitive and thus more likely to get a job, so that they can then pay taxes.

Unless you think having masses of unemployed foreigners is a good idea.

Only, getting a job doesn't require you to know English, and most are able to hold jobs without knowing English at all.

Thus, your justification for more state enthroachment on the individual liberties is completely authoritarian and only justified by a remarkably unlibertarian xenophobia.

Not knowing English severely undercuts your competitiveness in the Anglosphere's largest economy. It is basically an unspoken prerequisite for most skilled (and a lot of unskilled) labor in this country.

State encroachment? Authoritarian? Xenophobia? What?

[Norstal]

Isn't it just easier to learn English?

No, not really, English is a nonsensical and silly language with silly rules and silly orthography.

I find that's the reason why I can easily learn English as an immigrant, but that's just me.

[New Connorstantinople]

Yes and yes. Compulsory and paid by the taxpayers.

[Libertarian California]

No it isn't. Teaching people English makes them more competitive and thus more likely to get a job, so that they can then pay taxes.

Unless you think having masses of unemployed foreigners is a good idea.

No one is arguing that immigrants shouldn't learn English. They shouldn't be forced. Besides, it's not like not knowing English prevents them from working. It has been said enough in this thread that non-English speaking immigrants hold jobs, every day. And they pay taxes. I've seen the tax forms in as many languages as the colors of the rainbow. Services in the US are given in several languages other than English.

So how would teaching English harm them?

[The Scientific States]

I am too.

The courts don't enforce sharia law or anything. They don't change anything. Stop worrying.

I just think it represents a failure on the part of Britain to integrate its immigrants. I mean, people have described walking into a Muslim community in Britain as if they were leaving London and walking into Baghdad. Integration is healthy for a country and eases racial tension.

I'm not saying integration is bad, it just shouldn't be forced. There are other ways of doing so. Not to mention, you claimed that Britain is a mess because of a lack of integration, it's really not.

[Norstal]

Yes and yes. Compulsory and paid by the taxpayers.

And if they don't want to learn English?

[The Scientific States]

No one is arguing that immigrants shouldn't learn English. They shouldn't be forced. Besides, it's not like not knowing English prevents them from working. It has been said enough in this thread that non-English speaking immigrants hold jobs, every day. And they pay taxes. I've seen the tax forms in as many languages as the colors of the rainbow. Services in the US are given in several languages other than English.

So how would teaching English harm them?

It wouldn't, but it shouldn't be forced. Them not knowing English doesn't harm us, and it often times, only minimally harms them.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

No one is arguing that immigrants shouldn't learn English. They shouldn't be forced. Besides, it's not like not knowing English prevents them from working. It has been said enough in this thread that non-English speaking immigrants hold jobs, every day. And they pay taxes. I've seen the tax forms in as many languages as the colors of the rainbow. Services in the US are given in several languages other than English.

So how would teaching English harm them?

It doesn't harm them. But they shouldn't be forced to learn it if they don't wish to.

It's mostly a moot point, though. Most immigrants learn English, in time, anyway. But those who don't wish to learn English, which are in their minority, shouldn't be forced to learn it if they don't want to.

[Pilotto]

Only, getting a job doesn't require you to know English, and most are able to hold jobs without knowing English at all.

Thus, your justification for more state enthroachment on the individual liberties is completely authoritarian and only justified by a remarkably unlibertarian xenophobia.

Not knowing English severely undercuts your competitiveness in the Anglosphere's largest economy. It is basically an unspoken prerequisite for most skilled (and a lot of unskilled) labor in this country.

State encroachment? Authoritarian? Xenophobia? What?

He supports unlimited immigration, because it depresses wages, which is (in his mind) a wonderful thing. To him, anything else is communism and authoritarianism.

[The Scientific States]

Yes and yes. Compulsory and paid by the taxpayers.

Says the libertarian. That'd cause a increase in taxes, you know.

Honestly, I wouldn't waste my tax money on something so foolish. Learning English as an immigrant is beneficial, but it doesn't harm anyone, but themselves, if they don't learn it. That being said, often times it doesn't even harm them.

[Viritica]

I just think it represents a failure on the part of Britain to integrate its immigrants. I mean, people have described walking into a Muslim community in Britain as if they were leaving London and walking into Baghdad. Integration is healthy for a country and eases racial tension.

I'm not saying integration is bad, it just shouldn't be forced. There are other ways of doing so. Not to mention, you claimed that Britain is a mess because of a lack of integration, it's really not.

What other ways would you advocate? People don't generally integrate by themselves, such is the reason why there are little communities of Asians, Arabs, and Europeans.

[Pilotto]

I think I have established that it does have an impact on their ability to function in society. If you seriously can't see how not being able to speak the native language would be a serious handicap, or how immigrants who know the native language would be preferable to immigrants who don't, then you are not worth my time.

But it's xenophobic to ask people to speak the language of a country, man!

Yeah man, you're right! Don't let the man keep you down, man!