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Postby Western cuba » Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:57 pm

I believe they should, it's essential for communication in the States.

However though, we should be learning second languages as well. The lack of teaching other languages in education has always shocked me. For example, the high school I teach at only requires two credits of a foreign language to graduate. After that, you never have to bother with a foreign language again.

So it's both ways, immigrants should learn English and we should be informed and knowledgeable citizens and know multiple languages besides English.
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Postby Sociobiology » Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:15 pm

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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Should they learn English? Definitely. Should they be forced? No.

Yeah, this.

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Considering how few natural born Americans are actually fluent in English, I can't support forcing one of the hardest languages on planet on people moving to the US.
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Postby The Scientific States » Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:27 pm

Gallup wrote:Another simple question. Should Immigrants to the USA learn English? Should they be forced to take English classes? And who would pay for them?

I think that, yes, immigrants to the US should learn to speak English. That doesn't mean they can't speak their native language. Rather, it means they can better participate in the USA's economy. If you know a county's language, you have a leg up on those who don't. I would also make the classes optional, and paid for by the government.


No, of course not. It's a violation of their personal freedom, and it's effect on the US economy is non-existent.

In some predominantly spanish speaking communities, it's better if they speak Spanish, for their local economy, and local community.

Now, I do think it's beneficial if immigrants voluntarily learn English, but forcing them to? No.
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Postby -The Unified Earth Governments- » Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:29 pm

Yeah, they should.

But they shouldn't be forced to at any rate, it should always be their choice.
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Postby Viritica » Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:29 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Gallup wrote:Another simple question. Should Immigrants to the USA learn English? Should they be forced to take English classes? And who would pay for them?

I think that, yes, immigrants to the US should learn to speak English. That doesn't mean they can't speak their native language. Rather, it means they can better participate in the USA's economy. If you know a county's language, you have a leg up on those who don't. I would also make the classes optional, and paid for by the government.


No, of course not. It's a violation of their personal freedom, and it's effect on the US economy is non-existent.

In some predominantly spanish speaking communities, it's better if they speak Spanish, for their local economy, and local community.

Now, I do think it's beneficial if immigrants voluntarily learn English, but forcing them to? No.

It should be a requirement for citizenship.
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Postby The Scientific States » Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:31 pm

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No, of course not. It's a violation of their personal freedom, and it's effect on the US economy is non-existent.

In some predominantly spanish speaking communities, it's better if they speak Spanish, for their local economy, and local community.

Now, I do think it's beneficial if immigrants voluntarily learn English, but forcing them to? No.

It should be a requirement for citizenship.


Why?

It should be recommended, but not required. I see no real reason to enforce a language on someone else. If someone wishes to be a citizen, and aren't criminals, and are here legally, they should be able to have citizenship.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:33 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Viritica wrote:It should be a requirement for citizenship.


Why?

It should be recommended, but not required. I see no real reason to enforce a language on someone else. If someone wishes to be a citizen, and aren't criminals, and are here legally, they should be able to have citizenship.


It would cause more problems than benefits, especially for people applying for political asylum on the spot (like Cubans).
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Postby The Scientific States » Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:36 pm

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The Scientific States wrote:
Why?

It should be recommended, but not required. I see no real reason to enforce a language on someone else. If someone wishes to be a citizen, and aren't criminals, and are here legally, they should be able to have citizenship.


It would cause more problems than benefits, especially for people applying for political asylum on the spot (like Cubans).


Exactly. Learning English as an immigrant is a wise idea for one's self, but it's effect on the entire community is beyond minimal.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:37 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
It would cause more problems than benefits, especially for people applying for political asylum on the spot (like Cubans).


Exactly. Learning English as an immigrant is a wise idea for one's self, but it's effect on the entire community is beyond minimal.


Honestly, though, it would be in the best interest of immigrants to learn English. Makes integration a bit easier.
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Postby Baron of Weitzenhoffer » Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:37 pm

We shouldn't even take in immigrants, in the first place.

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Postby The Scientific States » Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:38 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
Exactly. Learning English as an immigrant is a wise idea for one's self, but it's effect on the entire community is beyond minimal.


Honestly, though, it would be in the best interest of immigrants to learn English. Makes integration a bit easier.


That's what I'm saying. It's beneficial for the person, but if done doesn't learn English, that's their choice, and it often has a negative impact on themselves, but it doesn't effect the economy, or the community, like some have suggested.
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Postby The Scientific States » Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:38 pm

Baron of Weitzenhoffer wrote:We shouldn't even take in immigrants, in the first place.


Some people just really want to see economic collapse.
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Postby Viritica » Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:38 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Viritica wrote:It should be a requirement for citizenship.


Why?

It should be recommended, but not required. I see no real reason to enforce a language on someone else. If someone wishes to be a citizen, and aren't criminals, and are here legally, they should be able to have citizenship.

I'm not saying they should be forced to learn it. What I am saying is that fluency in English should be a requirement.

If you're going to immigrate to a country why would you not want to learn that country's primary language? It'd make life easier on you and many of the people you associate with.
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Postby Baron of Weitzenhoffer » Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:39 pm

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Baron of Weitzenhoffer wrote:We shouldn't even take in immigrants, in the first place.


Some people just really want to see economic collapse.


Some people just really want to see socio-cultural collapse.

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Postby Lemanrussland » Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:43 pm

Yes, it should be part of the naturalization requirements. I would not mind providing government aid or English classes to immigrants to make learning English less of a financial burden, perhaps it could be funded by a small tax on immigrant's wages after they naturalize.
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Postby The Scientific States » Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:43 pm

Baron of Weitzenhoffer wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
Some people just really want to see economic collapse.


Some people just really want to see socio-cultural collapse.


Explain how that would happen?

We need immigrants for our economy, but we can have more than one culture. Your ignorance on the subject of immigration is astounding.
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Postby The Scientific States » Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:44 pm

Viritica wrote:
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Why?

It should be recommended, but not required. I see no real reason to enforce a language on someone else. If someone wishes to be a citizen, and aren't criminals, and are here legally, they should be able to have citizenship.

I'm not saying they should be forced to learn it. What I am saying is that fluency in English should be a requirement.

If you're going to immigrate to a country why would you not want to learn that country's primary language? It'd make life easier on you and many of the people you associate with.


It would, but if one decides not to, that's their choice. It only can harm them.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:44 pm

Baron of Weitzenhoffer wrote:
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Some people just really want to see economic collapse.


Some people just really want to see socio-cultural collapse.


How would immigrants not learning English cause a socio-cultural collapse? The US is a melting pot, and different cultures co-exist there without much trouble.
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Baron of Weitzenhoffer wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
Some people just really want to see economic collapse.


Some people just really want to see socio-cultural collapse.

Just like it did with those damn dirty Irish..... or those damn English settlers! Or better yet this Human thing...with its culture...and its civilization...

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The Scientific States wrote:Explain how that would happen?


Simply; they don't speak English, are not culturally American, are not protestant. Some of them aren't even white. They do not belong here, and we definitely should not import their "values".

The Scientific States wrote:We need immigrants for our economy, but we can have more than one culture.


No we can't. America is a nation founded by white, protestant English-speakers for white, protestant English-speakers. Multicultural societies are usually fractured and divided.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:47 pm

Baron of Weitzenhoffer wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:Explain how that would happen?


Simply; they don't speak English, are not culturally American, are not protestant. Some of them aren't even white. They do not belong here, and we definitely should not import their "values".

The Scientific States wrote:We need immigrants for our economy, but we can have more than one culture.


No we can't. America is a nation founded by white, protestant English-speakers for white, protestant English-speakers. Multicultural societies are usually fractured and divided.


Oh, so this is based on racism and xenophobia. Ok.
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Postby Fascist Russian Empire » Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:47 pm

If immigrants want to refuse to learn English and only be able to talk to a fourth of the population, and have huge difficulties in everyday life, they can feel free to do so.

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Postby Lemanrussland » Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:48 pm

Western cuba wrote:I believe they should, it's essential for communication in the States.

However though, we should be learning second languages as well. The lack of teaching other languages in education has always shocked me. For example, the high school I teach at only requires two credits of a foreign language to graduate. After that, you never have to bother with a foreign language again.

So it's both ways, immigrants should learn English and we should be informed and knowledgeable citizens and know multiple languages besides English.

I think the language education is not really taken as seriously in the US is the smaller economic need for it. English is the lingua franca of the world, and most Americans (average Joe) don't travel or do business in other countries (and if they do, they're most likely to be using English).
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Postby The Scientific States » Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:48 pm

Baron of Weitzenhoffer wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:Explain how that would happen?


Simply; they don't speak English, are not culturally American, are not protestant. Some of them aren't even white. They do not belong here, and we definitely should not import their "values".

The Scientific States wrote:We need immigrants for our economy, but we can have more than one culture.


No we can't. America is a nation founded by white, protestant English-speakers for white, protestant English-speakers. Multicultural societies are usually fractured and divided.


So, what? What's wrong with their values? Why does it matter if they aren't white? That's blatant racism, "my culture is better than their's, and if they immigrate, they'll somehow manage to destroy my culture.

America might just be the most multicultural society in the world. We're not fractured and divided.
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Baron of Weitzenhoffer wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:Explain how that would happen?


Simply; they don't speak English, are not culturally American, are not protestant. Some of them aren't even white. They do not belong here, and we definitely should not import their "values".

The Scientific States wrote:We need immigrants for our economy, but we can have more than one culture.


No we can't. America is a nation founded by white, protestant English-speakers for white, protestant English-speakers. Multicultural societies are usually fractured and divided.

lol, guys don't respond, its another one of these guys coming to spill their bullshit.

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