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Postby Demen 2 » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:50 pm

The Scientific States wrote:Not only did people not read the OP, but this is going to quickly turn into a far-right, anti-Islamic circlejerk.

So, I best be leaving.

Sounds like a republican primary.


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Postby Afalia » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:50 pm

Oh dear God! How dare those who follow Islam be allowed to write their wills and leave their inheritance in the way they want and make sure that it is in keeping with the English legal system! This is an outrage!

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Postby The Latin National Socialist Republic » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:50 pm

Roski wrote:Sharia law...


Fuck. Britian is the first to fall under the rising Muslim Empire.


Those 'Rabs wouldn't stand a chance against the UK OR the UN or NATO! The likely hood of an "uprising" is slim to none so keep dreaming.

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Postby Lordieth » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:50 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Lordieth wrote:
Might be too long of a title.

"Sharia law principles on inheritance to be adopted in the UK" would be slightly more accurate.

"Guidelines on drawing up Islamic wills issued."


Much better. A lot less inflammatory.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:50 pm

The Scientific States wrote:Not only did people not read the OP, but this is going to quickly turn into a far-right, anti-Islamic circlejerk.

So, I best be leaving.

Yeah, same here.

My opinion: The OP is misleading, and the decision itself is hardly controversial from where I'm standing, given that it's not a government agency that's doing this and I see nothing wrong with people being allowed to structure their wills and testaments in accordance to their religious beliefs.

Furthermore, however their very presence in your country may upset you, allowing a religious minority to administer their property in accordance to their doctrine, without affecting anyone but their family and religious community, is not something I would consider "foreign" to the United Kingdom. Islam is not in itself a nationality, it's not an ethnicity, and it's not a criminal organization, and as a faith it has the same rights every other does. A Muslim can be perfectly British in every way, shape and form.
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Postby Frisivisia » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:50 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Lordieth wrote:
Might be too long of a title.

"Sharia law principles on inheritance to be adopted in the UK" would be slightly more accurate.

"Guidelines on drawing up Islamic wills issued."

"And I'm really pissed about it for some reason."
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Postby The Scientific States » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:50 pm

Liriena wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:Not only did people not read the OP, but this is going to quickly turn into a far-right, anti-Islamic circlejerk.

So, I best be leaving.

Yeah, same here.

My opinion: The OP is misleading, and the decision itself is hardly controversial from where I'm standing, given that it's not a government agency that's doing this and I see nothing wrong with people being allowed to structure their wills and testaments in accordance to their religious beliefs.

Furthermore, however their very presence in your country may upset you, allowing a religious minority to administer their property in accordance to their doctrine, without affecting anyone but their family and religious community, is not something I would consider "foreign" to the United Kingdom. Islam is not in itself a nationality, it's not an ethnicity, and it's not a criminal organization, and as a faith it has the same rights every other does. A Muslim can be perfectly British in every way, shape and form.


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Postby The UK in Exile » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:51 pm

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Farnhamia wrote:"Guidelines on drawing up Islamic wills issued."

"And I'm really pissed about it for some reason."


"supply to meet demand in UK legal profession."
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:51 pm

Wind in the Willows wrote:
Lordieth wrote:
Might be too long of a title.

"Sharia law principles on inheritance to be adopted in the UK" would be slightly more accurate.


Thank you, at least somebody have the manners to provide a proper title. :)

Except that's not quite it. The Law Society is issuing guidelines for its members. No changes are being made to British law.
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Postby The Scientific States » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:52 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Wind in the Willows wrote:
Thank you, at least somebody have the manners to provide a proper title. :)

Except that's not quite it. The Law Society is issuing guidelines for its members. No changes are being made to British law.


In short, nothing is being changed.

No laws are being changed, nothing. Just some guidelines are being set.
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Postby Frisivisia » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:52 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:"And I'm really pissed about it for some reason."


"supply to meet demand in UK legal profession."

"But this is bad because ew icky brown ppl"
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Postby Lunas Legion » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:53 pm

Fortunately, even if Sharia law was adopted in the UK, which it hasn't as many posts above have stated, the government that enacted it could expect to be hung at the next election, and if that doesn't happen, well...
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Postby Scholmeria » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:53 pm

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Scholmeria wrote:It does not. It is just that the UK is destabilising the EU by violating treaties which it signed.


The UK is not destabilising the EU. The EU is doing a fine job of that on its own. It can barely agree with itself at the best of times. Hardly a good example to its members.

Oh please. Source this.

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Postby Wind in the Willows » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:53 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
"supply to meet demand in UK legal profession."

"But this is bad because ew icky brown ppl"


Oh hear we go. Don't turn this into a debate about racism...

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Postby Galloism » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:53 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Wind in the Willows wrote:
Thank you, at least somebody have the manners to provide a proper title. :)

Except that's not quite it. The Law Society is issuing guidelines for its members. No changes are being made to British law.

Well shit now you've done it.

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Postby The UK in Exile » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:54 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Except that's not quite it. The Law Society is issuing guidelines for its members. No changes are being made to British law.


In short, nothing is being changed.

No laws are being changed, nothing. Just some guidelines are being set.


voluntary guidance.

its an MS word template. Essentially.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:54 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
"supply to meet demand in UK legal profession."

"But this is bad because ew icky brown ppl"

Okay, Mr. Vice-President, that's enough on this line.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:54 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
In short, nothing is being changed.

No laws are being changed, nothing. Just some guidelines are being set.


voluntary guidance.

its an MS word template. Essentially.

*takes council*

Point of order: Can we still burn witches if the basis is an MS word template?
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Postby Frials » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:54 pm

I see no problem in this except in the principle of following already existing laws which would mandate courts to obey the law by not having a religious bias and having gender equality. I am rather oblivious about these Sharia courts being against British law or adopting these Islamic principles regarding a person's last will and testament. I feel that one should be able to decide for ones own property in full through that will.

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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:55 pm

Galloism wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Except that's not quite it. The Law Society is issuing guidelines for its members. No changes are being made to British law.

Well shit now you've done it.

My stock in pitchforks and torches is going to tank now.

You need to diversify.
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Postby Frisivisia » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:55 pm

Wind in the Willows wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:"But this is bad because ew icky brown ppl"


Oh hear we go. Don't turn this into a debate about racism...

I'm not really sure where else to go with a bizarre freak-out over Muslims being allowed to draw up their wills according to there beliefs, which they could already do anyway and now can receive assistance from a company in doing so.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:56 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Galloism wrote:Well shit now you've done it.

My stock in pitchforks and torches is going to tank now.

You need to diversify.


With a new cold war shaping up, ironically, stock in tanks is on fire.
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Postby Frisivisia » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:56 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:"But this is bad because ew icky brown ppl"

Okay, Mr. Vice-President, that's enough on this line.

Now that we know what this is actually about, and given how there's no actual substance to the thing the OP is telling us about, the only thing left to discuss is the OP's motivation for posting this non-issue.
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Postby Anglo-Saxon Wessex » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:59 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Okay, Mr. Vice-President, that's enough on this line.

Now that we know what this is actually about, and given how there's no actual substance to the thing the OP is telling us about, the only thing left to discuss is the OP's motivation for posting this non-issue.

You're not very nice.

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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Mar 23, 2014 3:59 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Okay, Mr. Vice-President, that's enough on this line.

Now that we know what this is actually about, and given how there's no actual substance to the thing the OP is telling us about, the only thing left to discuss is the OP's motivation for posting this non-issue.

Yes, well, but the post, not the poster has been a long-established principle here.
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