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Postby Kvatchdom » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:36 pm

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Goddess Relief Office wrote:It's around 22bucks where I live in Australia. And who is to say there's no lawyer in the crowd who might take up the case for free or charge a percentage of the potential damages, assuming he's confident to win?

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I can say, as much as I go to the cinema, I've never encountered one in Sydney with an adult ticket price of over $20. Even the George Street Cinemas are less than that (unless you've going Gold Class or seeing a special feature like an Opera or live theatrical performance shown via cinema).

Glad to hear they are cheaper in Sydney. But my local area is quite expensive. For example this:

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:38 pm

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i am not sure i believe the account. if the other woman had "pounded my chest" i would have broken her nose. that said your basic point is correct, if the kid is disruptive its the parents responsibility to take them out.


"Pounded my chest"? There doesn't seem to have been any physical contact involved on anyone's part.

And the mother did leave after the first woman and her husband got verbally pushy - the heckling and applause started, and continued, as they were leaving.


"...know he is,” the woman shot back as she lunged forward and pounded on her chest. “But why should the rest of us have to suffer.”


this is the quote, you mean she meant the other woman pounded on her own chest perhaps? i find the account overly dramatic. and its the mothers fault. they make earplugs and headphones to lower volume for the kids or even filter out specific frequencies if thats whats bothering the kid.
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Postby Ningirsu » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:39 pm

This definitely isn't a sensationalist, one-sided piece.

If I was trying to watch a movie and some kid started screaming about how he wanted to go home, I'd lose my mind and tell the mother to shut him up, too. Was it wrong of them to call the kid retarded and cheer them as they left? Absolutely. But in all honesty, I probably would've done the same thing in their situation. If you know your child has violent reactions to movies, holy fuck don't take him to the movies. Nifty new invention called a DVD player, or Netflix if you're 'in the know.' If your child is special needs and you know that he reacts unpredictably, and you see him acting up, take him outside and calm him down. I'm sure that he wasn't just shouting, "I want to go home," out of boredom, he was probably scared out of his mind.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:41 pm

Kvatchdom wrote:I'm a dick and I apologize for my stupidity.


if you cant control what you say, as your sig says you may want to rethink posting anywhere at those times.
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:41 pm

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"Pounded my chest"? There doesn't seem to have been any physical contact involved on anyone's part.

And the mother did leave after the first woman and her husband got verbally pushy - the heckling and applause started, and continued, as they were leaving.


"...know he is,” the woman shot back as she lunged forward and pounded on her chest. “But why should the rest of us have to suffer.”


this is the quote, you mean she meant the other woman pounded on her own chest perhaps? i find the account overly dramatic. and its the mothers fault. they make earplugs and headphones to lower volume for the kids or even filter out specific frequencies if thats whats bothering the kid.

Why would you pound on your own chest and say "But why should the rest of us suffer"? It sounds oddly Donkey Kong-esque.
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Postby Kvatchdom » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:42 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
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if you cant control what you say, as your sig says you may want to rethink posting anywhere at those times.

But I'm bored :(
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Postby Vareiln » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:43 pm

Kvatchdom wrote:It is required to allow other people to enjoy the movie. You need to be extra harsh on the mentally handicapped, or they simply won't survive.

What the flying fuck?

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Postby Geilinor » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:43 pm

Ningirsu wrote:This definitely isn't a sensationalist, one-sided piece.

If I was trying to watch a movie and some kid started screaming about how he wanted to go home, I'd lose my mind and tell the mother to shut him up, too. Was it wrong of them to call the kid retarded and cheer them as they left? Absolutely. But in all honesty, I probably would've done the same thing in their situation. If you know your child has violent reactions to movies, holy fuck don't take him to the movies. Nifty new invention called a DVD player, or Netflix if you're 'in the know.' If your child is special needs and you know that he reacts unpredictably, and you see him acting up, take him outside and calm him down. I'm sure that he wasn't just shouting, "I want to go home," out of boredom, he was probably scared out of his mind.

If you were in that situation, you could have found a staff member and complained about it.
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Postby Kvatchdom » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:43 pm

Vareiln wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:It is required to allow other people to enjoy the movie. You need to be extra harsh on the mentally handicapped, or they simply won't survive.

What the flying fuck?

I am not well in the head right now.
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Postby Ardoki » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:44 pm

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:44 pm

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"...know he is,” the woman shot back as she lunged forward and pounded on her chest. “But why should the rest of us have to suffer.”


this is the quote, you mean she meant the other woman pounded on her own chest perhaps? i find the account overly dramatic. and its the mothers fault. they make earplugs and headphones to lower volume for the kids or even filter out specific frequencies if thats whats bothering the kid.

Why would you pound on your own chest and say "But why should the rest of us suffer"? It sounds oddly Donkey Kong-esque.


indeed, i do think she meant that, and male silverback gorilla claimings its territory is the imagery she was going for.
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Postby Ningirsu » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:45 pm

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Ningirsu wrote:This definitely isn't a sensationalist, one-sided piece.

If I was trying to watch a movie and some kid started screaming about how he wanted to go home, I'd lose my mind and tell the mother to shut him up, too. Was it wrong of them to call the kid retarded and cheer them as they left? Absolutely. But in all honesty, I probably would've done the same thing in their situation. If you know your child has violent reactions to movies, holy fuck don't take him to the movies. Nifty new invention called a DVD player, or Netflix if you're 'in the know.' If your child is special needs and you know that he reacts unpredictably, and you see him acting up, take him outside and calm him down. I'm sure that he wasn't just shouting, "I want to go home," out of boredom, he was probably scared out of his mind.

If you were in that situation, you could have found a staff member and complained about it.


I could've also called the police and filed a complaint for a noise disturbance, but I wouldn't do either of those things. I'm not going to go to a manager first if I can deal with it by simply speaking to the parents.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:46 pm

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if you cant control what you say, as your sig says you may want to rethink posting anywhere at those times.

But I'm bored :(


and you troll when your bored? thats lovely
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Postby Des-Bal » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:47 pm

It sounds like her child was disruptive and she got indignant when it was pointed out. It doesn't matter why he was disruptive it matters that he was disruptive. Nobodie's going to say "oh I thought I was being distracted by that screaming but it turns out he's autistic."
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Postby Kvatchdom » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:47 pm

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Kvatchdom wrote:But I'm bored :(


and you troll when your bored? thats lovely

I don't troll, trolls are 12 year old little shits. I try to make sense but it's hard, and I think I should be sleeping.
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Postby Britcan » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:48 pm

If someone is being disruptive in a movie theatre then they should be removed by the staff, regardless of disability, age or any other factor. It's not fair that the other movie goers have the movie that they payed good money for interrupted. While I have sympathy for the child who is not to blame for his mental disability their guardian should have known better than to bring them to a theatre. The child's guardian should have sought an alternative, I know many theatres do special screenings of films specifically for children like this and there is always the DVD release.

That being said, the audience were clearly wrong in their actions. If a disabled child is disturbing a movie the correct action isn't to jeer at them. One of the audience members should have asked whoever was taking care of the child to remove them from the theatre. If they refused to leave then they should have contacted a member of staff.

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Postby Geilinor » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:48 pm

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Geilinor wrote:If you were in that situation, you could have found a staff member and complained about it.


I could've also called the police and filed a complaint for a noise disturbance, but I wouldn't do either of those things. I'm not going to go to a manager first if I can deal with it by simply speaking to the parents.

You said "I probably would've done the same thing".
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:50 pm

By the way, after seeing the word child in this thread countless times, if you go to the infobox about the author, you'll see that Max is 23. Might want to use "autistic adult" in our posts from now on.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:51 pm

Ningirsu wrote:This definitely isn't a sensationalist, one-sided piece.

If I was trying to watch a movie and some kid started screaming about how he wanted to go home, I'd lose my mind and tell the mother to shut him up, too. Was it wrong of them to call the kid retarded and cheer them as they left? Absolutely. But in all honesty, I probably would've done the same thing in their situation. If you know your child has violent reactions to movies, holy fuck don't take him to the movies. Nifty new invention called a DVD player, or Netflix if you're 'in the know.' If your child is special needs and you know that he reacts unpredictably, and you see him acting up, take him outside and calm him down. I'm sure that he wasn't just shouting, "I want to go home," out of boredom, he was probably scared out of his mind.

the way the story reads the loudness of the noise bothered him, noise sensitivity is not uncommon in folks with autism. and the way the story reads, she knew that.

the answer is as a parent of a special needs kid, she needs to be prepared. in this case it would be with headphones, or ear plugs, or go to a special showing for kids where noise is expected.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:53 pm

Geilinor wrote:By the way, after seeing the word child in this thread countless times, if you go to the infobox about the author, you'll see that Max is 23. Might want to use "autistic adult" in our posts from now on.


max has the mental capacity of a child, i would say child is appropiate,
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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:53 pm

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I can say, as much as I go to the cinema, I've never encountered one in Sydney with an adult ticket price of over $20. Even the George Street Cinemas are less than that (unless you've going Gold Class or seeing a special feature like an Opera or live theatrical performance shown via cinema).

Glad to hear they are cheaper in Sydney. But my local area is quite expensive. For example this:

https://www.hoyts.com.au/times_and_tick ... DN&s=96192
$22.50 for the current 300: Rise of Empire movie. And that's not even the 3D version. The 3D version is $26.50


That's insane. Perhaps it's the amount of competition in Sydney and some of the suburbs that does it, though I was out in Orange recently, and their adult tickets were only $16. I was expecting a lot worse from a regional city.

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"Pounded my chest"? There doesn't seem to have been any physical contact involved on anyone's part.

And the mother did leave after the first woman and her husband got verbally pushy - the heckling and applause started, and continued, as they were leaving.


"...know he is,” the woman shot back as she lunged forward and pounded on her chest. “But why should the rest of us have to suffer.”


this is the quote, you mean she meant the other woman pounded on her own chest perhaps? i find the account overly dramatic. and its the mothers fault. they make earplugs and headphones to lower volume for the kids or even filter out specific frequencies if thats whats bothering the kid.


No, looks like I was wrong. Totally misread that. The Patty woman should totally have reported that another patron had gotten physical.

And true, though that defeats the point of the cinema somewhat. The account made it sound like they've been to the cinema before, and she's seen the behavior before and she knows he ok once they're beyond the transitions (which is also fairly common with a number of types of mental conditions that just need time for the individual to settle).
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Postby Ningirsu » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:56 pm

Geilinor wrote:
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I could've also called the police and filed a complaint for a noise disturbance, but I wouldn't do either of those things. I'm not going to go to a manager first if I can deal with it by simply speaking to the parents.

You said "I probably would've done the same thing".


That I did, and I probably would not find a staff member and complain about it.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:57 pm

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and you troll when your bored? thats lovely

I don't troll, trolls are 12 year old little shits. I try to make sense but it's hard, and I think I should be sleeping.


what you were doing is trolling, there is quite a bit of research on how to raise a child with autism, plenty of folks do it every day, or know people who do it. greenspan, loovas, and hundreds of other have published reams of data that show how to do it.
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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:58 pm

Ningirsu wrote:This definitely isn't a sensationalist, one-sided piece.

If I was trying to watch a movie and some kid started screaming about how he wanted to go home, I'd lose my mind and tell the mother to shut him up, too. Was it wrong of them to call the kid retarded and cheer them as they left? Absolutely. But in all honesty, I probably would've done the same thing in their situation. If you know your child has violent reactions to movies, holy fuck don't take him to the movies. Nifty new invention called a DVD player, or Netflix if you're 'in the know.' If your child is special needs and you know that he reacts unpredictably, and you see him acting up, take him outside and calm him down. I'm sure that he wasn't just shouting, "I want to go home," out of boredom, he was probably scared out of his mind.


You'd have continued to heckled the guy even as he was leaving, over something he has no control over?

I'd pity you for having you're cinema going experience disrupted for the couple of minutes happened, but not if you continued to harp on it even as the people were leaving. Especially as, you know, in the process you'd be causing just as much of a disruption as the person with the disability with your shouting insults and slow clapping - the only difference being you should know better and have more self control.

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