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Postby Zoboyizakoplayoklot » Sat Mar 29, 2014 6:25 pm

I can't believe the majority of people have said yes, I wouldn't be able to tell my friends apart at school, know which girls the one I have a crush on, or know which kids to avoid.

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Postby Salandriagado » Sat Mar 29, 2014 6:42 pm

Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:I can't believe the majority of people have said yes, I wouldn't be able to tell my friends apart at school, know which girls the one I have a crush on, or know which kids to avoid.


Really? You can only recognise people by what they wear? Damn, that must be fucking difficult whenever people change their clothes.
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Postby Dazchan » Sat Mar 29, 2014 6:45 pm

Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:I can't believe the majority of people have said yes, I wouldn't be able to tell my friends apart at school,


:eyebrow: So you only have two friends, who happen to be identical twins? I can't think of any other reason why you wouldn't be able to tell your friends apart if they were wearing the same clothes...

Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:know which girls the one I have a crush on,


Not much of a crush if you can't identify them by their face and only use clothes as a point of reference.

Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote: or know which kids to avoid.


How about by the way they treat you, instead of what they wear?
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Postby Bleckonia » Sat Mar 29, 2014 6:47 pm

Schools absolutely should have dress codes. Some clothing is completely inappropriate in a school environment. At my school, girls are by far the worst offenders and their breasts are half exposed and they wear shorts so short and so tight that you can actually see their butts.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Sat Mar 29, 2014 6:50 pm

Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:I can't believe the majority of people have said yes, I wouldn't be able to tell my friends apart at school, know which girls the one I have a crush on, or know which kids to avoid.


The ones with gum and shit in their hair are the ones you avoid. Duh.

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Postby Zoboyizakoplayoklot » Sat Mar 29, 2014 6:55 pm

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Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:I can't believe the majority of people have said yes, I wouldn't be able to tell my friends apart at school, know which girls the one I have a crush on, or know which kids to avoid.


The ones with gum and shit in their hair are the ones you avoid. Duh.


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Postby Nord Amour » Sat Mar 29, 2014 7:01 pm

Dress codes: Without a doubt schools should have them.
Uniforms: Possibly, but I could be convinced either way.

Some things are just not appropriate in a work or school environment. Dress codes, I would think, are an obvious solution, even if they are rarely followed. (Kids that don't follow the rules probably aren't going to be very successful anyway.)

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Postby Viritica » Sat Mar 29, 2014 7:02 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Wind in the Willows wrote:Schools are there to educate children and teenagers, not to dictate what they wear. School uniforms should be completely optional.

Schools have more responsibilities than just educating their students.


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1. Yeah, actually field trips were pretty rare when I was in school. Point noted, though there are many cheaper and easier ways to give somebody an identification if they get lost on a field trip, such as an ID card.

How is an ID card an easier way of identifying students as students than uniforms?

2. So the school should be more responsible for the children's safety than their own parents?

Where did you get that idea?

3. Why? Because there's no statistical evidence to back up the claim. Why would I agree with a notion without evidence? Sense of community comes in a lot of ways, and I think that what you wear is pretty low on the list of determining factors.

Do you have statistical evidence to support that ranking of determining factors?

4. Didn't you say something to the degree of "it's harder to break dress code if you had a uniform"? I don't remember exactly what you said, but based on my response it seems like that's about what I was responding to,

My posts are still there, you can go back and read them again.

5. Okay? Is taking away freedom of expression to stop a little bit of social pressure worth it? Especially when the social pressure will take many other forms regardless?

Not in and of itself, but there are other benefits, as noted. Besides which, children already have only limited access to their rights, slightly less freedom of expression is hardly going to make any great difference.

"Hey, let me see your ID card, please."

Identifying people by ID card really isn't that hard.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Mar 29, 2014 7:04 pm

I like uniforms solely because they are socioeconomic class-blind.

It defeats its own purpose when they are made sex-segregated, though. Two schools I've been to even minded longer hair in boys with the excuse of it being about lice, whilst girls had to supposedly have too keep their hair tied but they had it free as soon as entering class.
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Postby The Joseon Dynasty » Sat Mar 29, 2014 7:06 pm

Yes, preferably uniforms.
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Postby The Flood » Sat Mar 29, 2014 7:09 pm

Only within reason. My school sent 60 girls to the office one summer day, and that's a clear sign that it's far too restrictive. Only very obscene clothing should be banned.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Mar 29, 2014 7:10 pm

Grossdeutsches Kaiserreich wrote:They should have uniforms In my opinion, not just 'dress codes'.

It makes it easier on the children and fosters a more disciplined environment.

Some parents (mine, future me) don't quite like such repressive and arbitrary standards of "discipline", whatever it means.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Mar 29, 2014 7:11 pm

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:Well, yes, because that would help raise money for the school.

They tend to have horrible poor-quality socks that make my dyshidrosis worse. -_-"

If anything I would only wear flip-flops.
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Postby Nord Amour » Sat Mar 29, 2014 7:11 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Grossdeutsches Kaiserreich wrote:They should have uniforms In my opinion, not just 'dress codes'.

It makes it easier on the children and fosters a more disciplined environment.

Some parents (mine, future me) don't quite like such repressive and arbitrary standards of "discipline", whatever it means.

It could help reduce bullying and gang violence. I'm not an expert and am not familiar with the statistics, but I present this as a possibility.

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Mar 29, 2014 7:13 pm

Nord Amour wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Some parents (mine, future me) don't quite like such repressive and arbitrary standards of "discipline", whatever it means.

It could help reduce bullying and gang violence. I'm not an expert and am not familiar with the statistics, but I present this as a possibility.

We have bullying and gang violence in Brazil and, much as many places elsewhere in LatAm, school uniforms are widespread...?
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Postby Nord Amour » Sat Mar 29, 2014 7:17 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:We have bullying and gang violence in Brazil and, much as many places elsewhere in LatAm, school uniforms are widespread...?

Like I said, I'm not familiar with the statistics, and like I said, I could be convinced either way.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Mar 29, 2014 7:17 pm

Yes, as to show what can be expected in the workplace. Many places sort of have a dress code whether it's no long sleeves in a machine shop or a suit and tie in a corporate investment bank.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Sat Mar 29, 2014 7:20 pm

Olthar wrote:The only requirement I have for uniforms is sexual equality. Either boys and girls get the same uniform, or they be allowed to choose whichever one they want.

I'd have liked for this to become legislation while I was a child...

I'd do ANYTHING to shock people using skirt, makeup and a very feminine channel haircut after all that many years of my grandma choosing ridiculous haircuts for me based on their policy. :P
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Postby Benuty » Sat Mar 29, 2014 7:45 pm

Back in my day blacks didn't go to white schools and....oh you said dress codes?
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Postby Talonis » Sat Mar 29, 2014 7:56 pm

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Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:I can't believe the majority of people have said yes, I wouldn't be able to tell my friends apart at school, know which girls the one I have a crush on, or know which kids to avoid.


Really? You can only recognise people by what they wear? D---, that must be f------ difficult whenever people change their clothes.


There is actually a disorder for that. Specifically, the inability to recognise faces. Prosopagnosia. So uniforms could pose a serious issue if put into place in areas with people who have this disorder.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Mar 29, 2014 7:57 pm

Yes, but keep it to the basics: no dressing like a hooker working a street corner, and no shirts with obscenities written on them.

Aside from that, knock yourselves out.
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Postby Zaldakki » Sat Mar 29, 2014 7:58 pm

Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:I can't believe the majority of people have said yes, I wouldn't be able to tell my friends apart at school, know which girls the one I have a crush on, or know which kids to avoid.

Lolz, do you have prosapagnosia or something? :p

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Postby Zaldakki » Sat Mar 29, 2014 8:00 pm

Talonis wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Really? You can only recognise people by what they wear? D---, that must be f------ difficult whenever people change their clothes.


There is actually a disorder for that. Specifically, the inability to recognise faces. Prosopagnosia. So uniforms could pose a serious issue if put into place in areas with people who have this disorder.

Oops, someone got to it before me.

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Postby Siburria » Sat Mar 29, 2014 8:00 pm

Why not have the dress codes on specific days
monday:dress code
tuesday;no dress code
wednesday;dress code
thursday;no dress code
friday;dress code

basically a dress code on the days students do the least work so it can possibly counteract distractions or laziness i guess.
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Postby Slarvainian » Sat Mar 29, 2014 8:07 pm

Within reason yes. For example no see through clothing unless there was something underneath covering stuff up.
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