Rand Paul "Freedom Speech" at Berkeley.

[Liriena]

I'll be honest here: At some point in my life, I found his father's discourse to be tolerable, and sometimes even compelling. Nowadays, though, I honestly can't stomach Ron Paul's reactionary ruse of faux federalism, nor can I stomach Rand Paul's pandering to the delusional, paranoid extremists.

I'm sorry, but if I am to take any so-called libertarian seriously, it won't be the sort who cries "dictatorship" when a fellow politician does something without compromising with his myopic ideas.

[Senyosu]

Whatever. I still do not like the Pauls.

Besides, what the USA needs is a reset button.

[Draica]

I'll be honest here: At some point in my life, I found his father's discourse to be tolerable, and sometimes even compelling. Nowadays, though, I honestly can't stomach Ron Paul's reactionary ruse of faux federalism, nor can I stomach Rand Paul's pandering to the delusional, paranoid extremists.

I'm sorry, but if I am to take any so-called libertarian seriously, it won't be the sort who cries "dictatorship" when a fellow politician does something without compromising with his myopic ideas.

Compromise? Where has compromise gotten us? The Republicans had 12 years to do what they wanted to do. When Clinton got out, bush got in, they could've done whatever. Welfare reform, immigration, etc..NOTHING.

Ok, so the democrats had around 7-8 years to do something with both the house and senate under control, 2 years under Obama, what did they do? Choke us with the stimulus and this wonderful failcare system.

My point is this: BOTH SIDES ARE COMPLICIT IN STAGNATION. BOTH SIDES ARE COMPLICIT IN THE PATRIOT ACT, NDAA, UNCONSTITUTIONAL SPYING, ETC. Both sides are complicit. Damn compromise, we need the people to fire these people and send them back home, forget compromise.

[Liriena]

I'll be honest here: At some point in my life, I found his father's discourse to be tolerable, and sometimes even compelling. Nowadays, though, I honestly can't stomach Ron Paul's reactionary ruse of faux federalism, nor can I stomach Rand Paul's pandering to the delusional, paranoid extremists.

I'm sorry, but if I am to take any so-called libertarian seriously, it won't be the sort who cries "dictatorship" when a fellow politician does something without compromising with his myopic ideas.

Compromise? Where has compromise gotten us? The Republicans had 12 years to do what they wanted to do. When Clinton got out, bush got in, they could've done whatever. Welfare reform, immigration, etc..NOTHING.

Ok, so the democrats had around 7-8 years to do something with both the house and senate under control, 2 years under Obama, what did they do? Choke us with the stimulus and this wonderful failcare system.

My point is this: BOTH SIDES ARE COMPLICIT IN STAGNATION. BOTH SIDES ARE COMPLICIT IN THE PATRIOT ACT, NDAA, UNCONSTITUTIONAL SPYING, ETC. Both sides are complicit. Damn compromise, we need the people to fire these people and send them back home, forget compromise.

What the flying fuck are you rambling about?

I'm pretty sure I did not in any way endorse Republicans compromising with Democrats. Furthermore... "failcare"? "Choked" by the stimulus? I take it you can demonstrate these claims?

[Orham]

Leaning back in a chair in plain clothes while referencing pizza and Pink Floyd while talking about serious domestic policy issues? I don't know whether this pandering is more insulting or amusing. I mean, really. Just imagine Mike putting a Pizza Hut logo on that picture of Nixon, perhaps having him wear the red roof as a hat. Does that make Nixon's legacy more appealing, or is it his role in the establishment of the EPA which serves as a selling point?

EDIT: Typo.

[Goddess Relief Office]

He's the only sane Republican out there.

[The Black Forrest]

He's the only sane Republican out there.

Considering the current batch; that is not saying much.

[Bolrieg]

Ok what Wikipedia page has he ripped this speech from now.

[Cyyro]

Any Republican who claims to be a Libertarian isn't exactly what I am aiming for... Ron Paul doesn't even hit the "Libertarian" blue part of the political compass.

[Magna Libero]

I think he's fairly good.

Leaving it up to the states to decide about gay marriage and abortion is probably the most realistic compromise as the US is mainly divided into two liberal and conservative voting areas on the US map.

[Mike the Progressive]

I think he's fairly good.

Leaving it up to the states to decide about gay marriage and abortion is probably the most realistic compromise as the US is mainly divided into two liberal and conservative voting areas on the US map.

Not really. In truth, it's going to be federal courts that legalize gay marriage throughout the country. As for abortion, I hope again that the courts will protect it and extend it in places where it's being restricted.

[Risottia]

...privacy issues. I wouldn't want anyone grabbing my phone up and looking through everything I do on there.

Anyone? Not even the police with a warrant issued by the judiciary?

Looks like you have something to hide.

[Mike the Progressive]

...privacy issues. I wouldn't want anyone grabbing my phone up and looking through everything I do on there.

Anyone? Not even the police with a warrant issued by the judiciary?

Looks like you have something to hide.

But not if you go incognito mode. In that case, everything you search for is "private," presuming you play by their rules.

Please Russian Google founder guy, please don't make incognito searches public!

[Ermarian]

What do yeah olde NSG thinketh of this Freedom Speech.

I agree with a few things he's said in this particular instance, but he's still a libertarian douche who's perfectly willing to throw the poor under the bus, opposes healthcare reform (duh) and opposes the minimum wage (double duh).

And as for his lip service to civil rights, I'm not even sure who he's trying to fool:
- Marriage equality? Nope.
- Abortion? Nope.

How about science:
- Vaccination? Nope.
- Evolution? Question dodged.
- Climate change? ha ha ha.

Yeah, thanks, but I think we can do without Rand's "support".

[Risottia]

Anyone? Not even the police with a warrant issued by the judiciary?

Looks like you have something to hide.

But not if you go incognito mode. In that case, everything you search for is "private," ...

That's pretty much the point of a judiciary warrant: removing temporarily some rights for the sake of a greater good (which could be investigating a crime, protecting the State security...)

[The Time Alliance]

...privacy issues. I wouldn't want anyone grabbing my phone up and looking through everything I do on there.

Anyone? Not even the police with a warrant issued by the judiciary?

Looks like you have something to hide.

Maybe I do. Maybe I just want what I do on my phone private.

[Estormo]

He is, by far, the edgiest Republican.

[Magna Libero]

He is, by far, the edgiest Republican.

How's that?

[Frisivisia]

The problem with Rand Paul is that he promotes so much damn freedom that all the oppression just gets shipped down the line until it hits those living in poverty.

Yet, he is the only Republican or Democrat in a position of power purposing a solution for detroit.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... s-detroit/

That doesn't mean anything and his solution is garbage.

[Viritica]

Paul's a good candidate. I like his "libertarian twist" and he certainly seems to know how to energize young people.

He's also right in that the Republican Party needs to evolve or die.

[Valica]

He's using the NSA shit to gain traction while ignoring the rest of his policies and plans.

Libertarians are insane. I would know, I used to "be" one.

Yeah, let's basically make each state its own independent mini-nation! Nothing bad could happen!
Yeah, let's legalize every substance under the sun and watch as hundreds of thousands try something, get hooked, then die!
Yeah, let's allow businesses to segregate based on religion! Blacks, gays, Muslims? Nah, they can't shop here!

That's just the tip of the iceberg.

I agree that all citizens should have access to guns with regulation as far as mental health and heavy weapons go.
Since I think it should be regulated, I guess that's un-Libertarian.

Free market leads to economic abuses.

Libertarians are too blinded by their "new" party that they can't see how fucked it would be in the real world.
It's like communism. Sounds great on paper, but it will never, ever work.

I hope to god this psycho never gets elected as President. It's bad enough that he's from my state.

[Viritica]

He's using the NSA shit to gain traction while ignoring the rest of his policies and plans.

Libertarians are insane. I would know, I used to "be" one.

Yeah, let's basically make each state its own independent mini-nation! Nothing bad could happen!
Yeah, let's legalize every substance under the sun and watch as hundreds of thousands try something, get hooked, then die!
Yeah, let's allow businesses to segregate based on religion! Blacks, gays, Muslims? Nah, they can't shop here!

That's just the tip of the iceberg.

I agree that all citizens should have access to guns with regulation as far as mental health and heavy weapons go.
Since I think it should be regulated, I guess that's un-Libertarian.

Free market leads to economic abuses.

Libertarians are too blinded by their "new" party that they can't see how fucked it would be in the real world.
It's like communism. Sounds great on paper, but it will never, ever work.

I hope to god this psycho, nor his son, get elected as President. It's bad enough that he's from my state.

Portugal legalized pretty much every drug under the sun (cocaine, meth, etc.) and drug use only slightly increased.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugal#Law_and_criminal_justice

[The Time Alliance]

Paul's a good candidate. I like his "libertarian twist" and he certainly seems to know how to energize young people.

He's also right in that the Republican Party needs to evolve or die.

Indeed.

[Valica]

He's using the NSA shit to gain traction while ignoring the rest of his policies and plans.

Libertarians are insane. I would know, I used to "be" one.

Yeah, let's basically make each state its own independent mini-nation! Nothing bad could happen!
Yeah, let's legalize every substance under the sun and watch as hundreds of thousands try something, get hooked, then die!
Yeah, let's allow businesses to segregate based on religion! Blacks, gays, Muslims? Nah, they can't shop here!

That's just the tip of the iceberg.

I agree that all citizens should have access to guns with regulation as far as mental health and heavy weapons go.
Since I think it should be regulated, I guess that's un-Libertarian.

Free market leads to economic abuses.

Libertarians are too blinded by their "new" party that they can't see how fucked it would be in the real world.
It's like communism. Sounds great on paper, but it will never, ever work.

I hope to god this psycho, nor his son, get elected as President. It's bad enough that he's from my state.

Portugal legalized pretty much every drug under the sun (cocaine, meth, etc.) and drug use only slightly increased.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugal#Law_and_criminal_justice

That's a good point... noted, but that's the least of my issues with Libertarianism.

[The Time Alliance]

He's using the NSA shit to gain traction while ignoring the rest of his policies and plans.

Libertarians are insane. I would know, I used to "be" one.

Yeah, let's basically make each state its own independent mini-nation! Nothing bad could happen!
Yeah, let's legalize every substance under the sun and watch as hundreds of thousands try something, get hooked, then die!
Yeah, let's allow businesses to segregate based on religion! Blacks, gays, Muslims? Nah, they can't shop here!

That's just the tip of the iceberg.

I agree that all citizens should have access to guns with regulation as far as mental health and heavy weapons go.
Since I think it should be regulated, I guess that's un-Libertarian.

Free market leads to economic abuses.

Libertarians are too blinded by their "new" party that they can't see how fucked it would be in the real world.
It's like communism. Sounds great on paper, but it will never, ever work.

I hope to god this psycho never gets elected as President. It's bad enough that he's from my state.

I like you. I'm not a big fan of America's Libertarian Party although I am a Libertarian. Mostly because the L.P. is Right-Wing. And I'm a Left Libertarian.