Rand Paul "Freedom Speech" at Berkeley.

[Hindenburgia]

How does that work exactly? Especially on issues where the state is wrong?

The federal government buts out and lets states legislate on certain issues. I don't really see how the state could be wrong unless it violates the constitution or existing federal law.

I think this is the question people are confused on regarding your stance - what issues, exactly, would you like to see the federal government leave to the states?

[Viritica]

The federal government buts out and lets states legislate on certain issues. I don't really see how the state could be wrong unless it violates the constitution or existing federal law.

I think this is the question people are confused on regarding your stance - what issues, exactly, would you like to see the federal government leave to the states?

Legal age for drinking and smoking. Drug use. Shit like that.

[The Black Forrest]

I think this is the question people are confused on regarding your stance - what issues, exactly, would you like to see the federal government leave to the states?

Legal age for drinking and smoking. Drug use. Shit like that.

And if the state declares there is no age limit for all that?

[Pope Joan]

Here for your amusement is a list of idiotic quotes from this guy. Yes it's a blog; the quotes are real.
He never even bothers denying his bloopers, he just shoots off some more. Kind of like "Fox News goes to Capitol Hill".

http://www.politicalruminations.com/rand-paul-quotes/

[Pilotto]

Here for your amusement is a list of idiotic quotes from this guy. Yes it's a blog; the quotes are real.
He never even bothers denying his bloopers, he just shoots off some more. Kind of like "Fox News goes to Capitol Hill".

http://www.politicalruminations.com/rand-paul-quotes/

I think it's irresponsible of the president and his men to even talk about default. There's no reason for us to default. We bring in $250 billion in taxes every month. Our interest payment is $20 billion. Tell me why we would ever default. We have legislation called the Full Faith and Credit Act, and it tells the president you must pay the interest on the debt. So this is a game.

This is 100% true. We take in more money in taxes than we have interest on the debt. If we ever hit the debt-ceiling, the President decides where to allocate the funding the government gets from taxes. We would only default on our debt if the President chooses to default.

[Ashmoria]

Here for your amusement is a list of idiotic quotes from this guy. Yes it's a blog; the quotes are real.
He never even bothers denying his bloopers, he just shoots off some more. Kind of like "Fox News goes to Capitol Hill".

http://www.politicalruminations.com/rand-paul-quotes/

I think it's irresponsible of the president and his men to even talk about default. There's no reason for us to default. We bring in $250 billion in taxes every month. Our interest payment is $20 billion. Tell me why we would ever default. We have legislation called the Full Faith and Credit Act, and it tells the president you must pay the interest on the debt. So this is a game.

This is 100% true. We take in more money in taxes than we have interest on the debt. If we ever hit the debt-ceiling, the President decides where to allocate the funding the government gets from taxes. We would only default on our debt if the President chooses to default.

well no that turns out not to be true. the system isn't set up that way and no one is working on making it run differently.

[Hindenburgia]

Here for your amusement is a list of idiotic quotes from this guy. Yes it's a blog; the quotes are real.
He never even bothers denying his bloopers, he just shoots off some more. Kind of like "Fox News goes to Capitol Hill".

http://www.politicalruminations.com/rand-paul-quotes/

I think it's irresponsible of the president and his men to even talk about default. There's no reason for us to default. We bring in $250 billion in taxes every month. Our interest payment is $20 billion. Tell me why we would ever default. We have legislation called the Full Faith and Credit Act, and it tells the president you must pay the interest on the debt. So this is a game.

This is 100% true. We take in more money in taxes than we have interest on the debt. If we ever hit the debt-ceiling, the President decides where to allocate the funding the government gets from taxes. We would only default on our debt if the President chooses to default.

I was about to explain how this actually works, but I realized that I was more-or-less reiterating the following video, but worse.
Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIbkoop4AYE

[America Libertaria]

The equal rights guaranteed by the Constitution are not a 'states rights' issue.

By those rights if a blind man can bring a dog in a place pets aren't allowed than I should be able to as well. If One man can control policies in the Government we all should, to be equal. The constitution is an imperfect document.

I'm all for democracy but when people vote to take away other peoples' liberties then there has to be a line drawn on what laws can be made.

[Mike the Progressive]

Considering his position on gay rights is pretty much the same as Obama's, I'm not so sure.

rand paul is pro-gay rights and pro-gay marriage? I did not know that.

He's about as pro-gay marriage as Obama is, which is pretty sad.

[The Black Forrest]

By those rights if a blind man can bring a dog in a place pets aren't allowed than I should be able to as well. If One man can control policies in the Government we all should, to be equal. The constitution is an imperfect document.

I'm all for democracy but when people vote to take away other peoples' liberties then there has to be a line drawn on what laws can be made.

So the blind man with a helper dog is wrong?

[Seleucas]

I like the substance of what he said, but I don't think he's really achieved anything to the end of what he is supporting.

[The Black Forrest]

I like the substance of what he said, but I don't think he's really achieved anything to the end of what he is supporting.

Meh. Talk is cheap.

[Viritica]

Legal age for drinking and smoking. Drug use. Shit like that.

And if the state declares there is no age limit for all that?

Then that's the age limit in that state.

[Seleucas]

I like the substance of what he said, but I don't think he's really achieved anything to the end of what he is supporting.

Meh. Talk is cheap.

I agree completely.

[Gauthier]

The biggest mistake Rand Paul made was preaching evolution to the party that does everything it can to deny there's such a thing as evolution.

[Valica]

The biggest mistake Rand Paul made was preaching evolution to the party that does everything it can to deny there's such a thing as evolution.

You got a source on that?

I don't see how he can preach evolution then go and talk about traditional marriage and be anti-abortion.

[Post-Keynesian Economics]

There seems to be confusion on Rand Paul's social issue positions based on reading the thread so far. So let's clear that up.

Rand Paul on abortion:

My opponents call me a libertarian but I want to assure you that I am pro-life.

I don't think a civilization can long endure that does not have respect for all human life, born and not yet born. I believe there will come a time when we are all judged on whether or not we took a stand in defense of all life from the moment of conception until our last natural breath.

Rand Paul on gay rights:

Six thousand years of tradition combined with anthropological evidence shows there’s stability in the family unit.

Not everyone is going to agree with that...young people seem to be changing their opinions. But I think we should still be in favor of what we're in favor of, and that's that there is a traditional family unit and that it's important.

If we have no laws on this, people take it to one extension further - does it have to be humans?

Rand Paul on religion:

I think we’re in a spiritual crisis as a country, and I think you’re going to need leaders beyond your political leaders.

Sources:

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Rand_Paul.htm
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/rand-paul-says-he-didnt-think-obamas-views-could-get-any-gayer/
http://www.newser.com/story/170160/rand-paul-just-kidding-about-gay-marriage-and-bestiality.html

[Valica]

There seems to be confusion on Rand Paul's social issue positions based on reading the thread so far. So let's clear that up.

Rand Paul on abortion:

My opponents call me a libertarian but I want to assure you that I am pro-life.

I don't think a civilization can long endure that does not have respect for all human life, born and not yet born. I believe there will come a time when we are all judged on whether or not we took a stand in defense of all life from the moment of conception until our last natural breath.

Rand Paul on gay rights:

Six thousand years of tradition combined with anthropological evidence shows there’s stability in the family unit.

Not everyone is going to agree with that...young people seem to be changing their opinions. But I think we should still be in favor of what we're in favor of, and that's that there is a traditional family unit and that it's important.

If we have no laws on this, people take it to one extension further - does it have to be humans?

Rand Paul on religion:

I think we’re in a spiritual crisis as a country, and I think you’re going to need leaders beyond your political leaders.

Sources:

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Rand_Paul.htm
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/rand-paul-says-he-didnt-think-obamas-views-could-get-any-gayer/
http://www.newser.com/story/170160/rand-paul-just-kidding-about-gay-marriage-and-bestiality.html

So much for his "libertarian spin" on conservatism. He's no different than the rest of them.

[Gauthier]

The biggest mistake Rand Paul made was preaching evolution to the party that does everything it can to deny there's such a thing as evolution.

You got a source on that?

I don't see how he can preach evolution then go and talk about traditional marriage and be anti-abortion.

2012 GOP Presidential Candidates on Evolution

Majority of Republicans now reject theory of evolution

Why Has Republican Belief in Evolution Declined So Much?

Lies From the Pits of Hell

Also, that was a crack. Paul said the Republican Party needs to evolve.

[72o]

One of the worst republicans out there.

[Valica]

You got a source on that?

I don't see how he can preach evolution then go and talk about traditional marriage and be anti-abortion.

2012 GOP Presidential Candidates on Evolution

Majority of Republicans now reject theory of evolution

Why Has Republican Belief in Evolution Declined So Much?

Lies From the Pits of Hell

Also, that was a crack. Paul said the Republican Party needs to evolve.

Oooohhhhhhh...

Well, looking through that first list, Jon Huntsman looks like a great candidate. Shame that he didn't make headlines.

[Anarcosyndiclic Peons]

You mean the one that talks about powers, not rights, thus supporting what I said? I've read it.

Please tell me, what exactly is the difference between a power and a right?

A right is something that exists already and is guaranteed, while a power is granted. The people have given power to the state and federal governments, which have no rights in and of themselves.

For example, people have the right to life, and all other rights rest upon that (without life, no other rights can be enjoyed). The state and federal government explicitly do not have the right to life, as explained in the Declaration of Independence and expanded upon in assorted Federalist Papers. Since the state does not have the right to life, it cannot have any of the other rights which depend on that.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

2012 GOP Presidential Candidates on Evolution

Majority of Republicans now reject theory of evolution

Why Has Republican Belief in Evolution Declined So Much?

Lies From the Pits of Hell

Also, that was a crack. Paul said the Republican Party needs to evolve.

Oooohhhhhhh...

Well, looking through that first list, Jon Huntsman looks like a great candidate. Shame that he didn't make headlines.

He did.

The headlines were along the lines of "Why Moderates Who Are Willing To Reach Across The Aisle Are On The Outs In Today's GOP".

[Neutraligon]

Oooohhhhhhh...

Well, looking through that first list, Jon Huntsman looks like a great candidate. Shame that he didn't make headlines.

He did.

The headlines were along the lines of "Why Moderates Who Are Willing To Reach Across The Aisle Are On The Outs In Today's GOP".

Which is sad considering Huntsman is not in anyway a moderate. He is "old school" conservative.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

He did.

The headlines were along the lines of "Why Moderates Who Are Willing To Reach Across The Aisle Are On The Outs In Today's GOP".

Which is sad considering Huntsman is not in anyway a moderate. He is "old school" conservative.

Dig down deep enough, and down starts to look like up.