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Postby Lyttenburg » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:01 pm

Yorkopolis wrote:Well if it isn't my dearest friend[1], Propaganda Minister Iozef "Lyttenburgh" Gyebbyel's [2], spouting the propaganda[3] for his beloved Fyurer, Vladolf Putler[4], completely from a website that is written in Russian only[5], and without any other English sources to back the claims up. Furthermore, the website actually has an article entitled "The Myth of Ukraine"! Totally not a pro-Russian site or anything, but an independent site that our beloved Propaganda Minister uses to support the beloved Fyurer, Vladolf Putler himself.


1] I'm definetly not your friend.

2] You are mistaking me, user Yorkopolis. Maybe in your blessed liberal country there is office of Propaganda Minister, but not in mine. Also, maybe due to that (and your constant ) immersion in surrounding you all things Nazi and 3rd Reich, that you are confusing ordinary users for Nazi war criminals.

3] Never done that.

4] Dunno, who is that? Is he somehow connected with Big Bwana Bardak Obamenko, Reichschanzellor DemonA Merkul, and Her Majestie's Prime Minister Lord Poshy-Posh?

5] [Gasp] But of course! Everything written in Russian must be a lie!

Yorkopolis, lately your only contribution to this thread was copypasting your (they are your, right?) "deep thoughts" about how Russian is terrible and is a new incarncation of the 3rd Reaich. Each of your posts nearly screamed "notice me!". Well, I finally decided to notice you. I'm not impressed.
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Postby Geilinor » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:06 pm

Lyttenburg wrote:
Yorkopolis wrote:Well if it isn't my dearest friend[1], Propaganda Minister Iozef "Lyttenburgh" Gyebbyel's [2], spouting the propaganda[3] for his beloved Fyurer, Vladolf Putler[4], completely from a website that is written in Russian only[5], and without any other English sources to back the claims up. Furthermore, the website actually has an article entitled "The Myth of Ukraine"! Totally not a pro-Russian site or anything, but an independent site that our beloved Propaganda Minister uses to support the beloved Fyurer, Vladolf Putler himself.


1] I'm definetly not your friend.

2] You are mistaking me, user Yorkopolis. Maybe in your blessed liberal country there is office of Propaganda Minister, but not in mine. Also, maybe due to that (and your constant ) immersion in surrounding you all things Nazi and 3rd Reich, that you are confusing ordinary users for Nazi war criminals.


Russia does have a Propaganda Ministry. It's called Russia Today.
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Postby Lyttenburg » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:07 pm

Arglorand wrote:Hey, I can post non-factual nonsense from nonexistent or untrustworthy sources, like literally every Russian apologetic does, too. Let me try.

According to a guy who I talked to once on Reddit, the Russian army is surrendering en masse and the residents of Moscow are already preparing to meet the Ukrainian army with salt, bread, vodka and computer games in the Red Square.

Also, reports are coming in informing us that Alina Kabayeva has killed Putin in his sleep and has been declared the Provisional People's Governor of the Republic of Greater Tatarstan. Poroshenko has already called on her to recognise the federalisation of Siberia and the national independence of the Chinese Republic of the Far East.

This badass music video is my source.


I actually provide my sources. And you? Or we, lowly commoners, should just beleive the word of the descendant of some ясновэльможного пана from the great and terrible PLC?

Arglorand wrote:Aye.

None of you would be up in arms about this if it was Svoboda which was facing charges of separatism. The CPU is a Russian fascist party, is what it is. There's no denying Svoboda is also at the very least quasifascist, but unlike the CPU, Svoboda exists as a reaction to and not as an arm of the Russian aggression. Both of these endanger Ukrainian democracy, except the only way to deal with Svoboda, unlike the CPU, is not to ban it, but to make it irrelevant by rendering the source of its popularity - Russia - irrelevant.


I'm not surprised in the slightest that you a) Hate CPU and CPRF so much and b) is so well versed in all things fascist, given where are you from. While Germany (and the Germans) had to earn its place as a normal European country, that shuns its Nazi legacy, your country and your little neighbours are playing a victim card and behave like a spoiled child with all those Veteran SS parades. Sure, lecture us!

Arglorand wrote:Western Ukrainians have their own country. Ukraine. As do Eastern Ukrainians, whose country is Ukraine. There is no other country in Ukraine, like there is no letter B in the word "counterproductive".

Those who would divide it into anything other than regional divisions literally do not know what they're talking about and probably have never spoken to an actual Ukrainian.

I would, however, gladly support the independence of Eastern Ukraine. By which I mean the Ukrainian Far Eastern Republic of Zeleny Klyn, currently sadly under the 100-year-long occupation of the Mordorian Empire.


Then, I guess, Lithuania would be only glad to give back half of its territory back to Poland and Belarus. Also, I don't know any Mordorian Empire on Earth - you, young man, should do a reality check, be outside more often and talk with real people.
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Postby Slavonian kingdom » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:08 pm

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Slavonian kingdom wrote:Banning Svoboda is not the same as banning the CPU. CPU is a foreign imported element in the Ukraine.

Ooooh, "foreign imported element"! I haven't heard that one in a while. Yes, let us cleanse our glorious pure Ukrainian nation of foreign elements! 'Cause that's totally liberal and democratic and stuff, and doesn't sound similar to the f-word at all.

(besides, those commies are all a bunch of Jews, right? :roll: )

You know what I meant. I would support the CPU if they were a true Ukranian party and not a Russian nationalist organisation.

For the Jews. Please, it is you side that is pointing out how most oligarchs in Russia and Ukraine are of Jewish descendant. I heard even stories from pro-Russian where they accused Igor Kolomorsky, Poroshenko, Jatsenuk for being of jewish descendant as that is something bad.

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Postby Lyttenburg » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:09 pm

Germanic Templars wrote:Seriously, it seems to me Russophobia is the damn rallying cry for every pro Russian here.

For all you l know he could like Russian people but hate the damn man in charge (Putin). I know I do.


Why? What have he done to you? Killed your puppy?
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Postby Estruia » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:09 pm

Constantinopolis wrote:
Yorkopolis wrote:Oh, yes, I do definitely support Western Ukrainian separatism as well. That is, Ukraine in its current de jure borders, so it can leave the republic of Eastern Ukraine alone. That is, the territories under temporary occupation by Russia, Voronezh, Rostov, and Kuban.

Psst - your Russophobia is showing. You shouldn't wave it around in polite company like that.

Arglorand wrote:Those who would divide it into anything other than regional divisions literally do not know what they're talking about and probably have never spoken to an actual Ukrainian.

...which is why I said that I would actually support Western Ukrainian separatism, "if there was such a thing". I know that it does not exist.


It's a good thing that no one who has posted here is polite, eh?
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Postby Geilinor » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:10 pm

Lyttenburg wrote:
I'm not surprised in the slightest that you a) Hate CPU and CPRF so much and b) is so well versed in all things fascist, given where are you from.

Ooh, ooh. Now the Russia-supporters accuse Lithuania of fascism. Is "fascism" the only thing you people can come up with?
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Postby Estruia » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:11 pm

Lyttenburg wrote:
Germanic Templars wrote:Seriously, it seems to me Russophobia is the damn rallying cry for every pro Russian here.

For all you l know he could like Russian people but hate the damn man in charge (Putin). I know I do.


Why? What have he done to you? Killed your puppy?


He has plunged the world into political turmoil, because he wants to be noticed by the International Community again. That's why I hate him, anyway. I love the Russian people, as I love all people, but Putin is an exception to that rule.
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Postby Geilinor » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:11 pm

Lyttenburg wrote:
Germanic Templars wrote:Seriously, it seems to me Russophobia is the damn rallying cry for every pro Russian here.

For all you l know he could like Russian people but hate the damn man in charge (Putin). I know I do.


Why? What have he done to you? Killed your puppy?

What has Ukraine done to you? Killed your kitten?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:11 pm

Lyttenburg wrote:
Germanic Templars wrote:Seriously, it seems to me Russophobia is the damn rallying cry for every pro Russian here.

For all you l know he could like Russian people but hate the damn man in charge (Putin). I know I do.


Why? What have he done to you? Killed your puppy?


No, he's gone around invading other nations and taking their territory while arming and prolonging a conflict that's costing lives. So I'll say what most every person here agrees with, fuck Putin.
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Postby Lyttenburg » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:13 pm

Geilinor wrote:Russia does have a Propaganda Ministry. It's called Russia Today.


It is not "Ministry". Its a channel.
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Postby Constantinopolis » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:15 pm

Slavonian kingdom wrote:
Constantinopolis wrote:Ooooh, "foreign imported element"! I haven't heard that one in a while. Yes, let us cleanse our glorious pure Ukrainian nation of foreign elements! 'Cause that's totally liberal and democratic and stuff, and doesn't sound similar to the f-word at all.

(besides, those commies are all a bunch of Jews, right? :roll: )

You know what I meant. I would support the CPU if they were a true Ukranian party and not a Russian nationalist organisation.

They are not a Russian nationalist organisation, and even if they were, it is extremely undemocratic to suppress the nationalist organisations of a minority ethnic group (such as the Russians in Ukraine). As I said before, in a real democracy, parties don't get banned even when they openly advocate separatism (which the CPU does not actually advocate).

Slavonian kingdom wrote:For the Jews. Please, it is you side that is pointing out how most oligarchs in Russia and Ukraine are of Jewish descendant. I heard even stories from pro-Russian where they accused Igor Kolomorsky, Poroshenko, Jatsenuk for being of jewish descendant as that is something bad.

People who say things like that are not "my side". They are, at best, reactionary scum who happen to have a common enemy with me.
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Postby Lyttenburg » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:16 pm

Estruia wrote:He has plunged the world into political turmoil, because he wants to be noticed by the International Community again. That's why I hate him, anyway. I love the Russian people, as I love all people, but Putin is an exception to that rule.


First of all - I wasn't acking you. Second - no, he hasn't. He didn't "plunged the world into political turmoil". Whatewher all those colourful speaches - it's only about the Ukraine, not the entire world.
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Postby Malgrave » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:16 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Lyttenburg wrote:
Why? What have he done to you? Killed your puppy?


No, he's gone around invading other nations and taking their territory while arming and prolonging a conflict that's costing lives. So I'll say what most every person here agrees with, fuck Putin.


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Postby Lyttenburg » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:16 pm

Geilinor wrote:What has Ukraine done to you? Killed your kitten?


Have you served in Israeli Defense Force?
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Postby Geilinor » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:17 pm

Lyttenburg wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Russia does have a Propaganda Ministry. It's called Russia Today.


It is not "Ministry". Its a channel.

I see you didn't get the joke.
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Postby Geilinor » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:17 pm

Lyttenburg wrote:
Geilinor wrote:What has Ukraine done to you? Killed your kitten?


Have you served in Israeli Defense Force?

No. Why?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:17 pm

Malgrave wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
No, he's gone around invading other nations and taking their territory while arming and prolonging a conflict that's costing lives. So I'll say what most every person here agrees with, fuck Putin.


Stop spreading decadent homosexual beliefs!


Sorry Dear Leader.

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Postby The balkens » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:18 pm

Lyttenburg wrote:
Geilinor wrote:What has Ukraine done to you? Killed your kitten?


Have you served in Israeli Defense Force?


what the fuck has Israel have to do with Ukraine?

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Postby Germanic Templars » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:18 pm

Lyttenburg wrote:
Germanic Templars wrote:Seriously, it seems to me Russophobia is the damn rallying cry for every pro Russian here.

For all you l know he could like Russian people but hate the damn man in charge (Putin). I know I do.


Why? What have he done to you? Killed your puppy?


He's killing his country by further isolating it. Restricting himself to only his eastern allies. Speaking of allies, why the hell has he refused to help Assad out? He was so eager in preventing US involvement back in 2011, but when ISIS began crawling over the country, he doesn't even turn an eye towards it. Hell he even did some work with North Korea.

Putin is showing his true colors, unfortunately it is not in favor of communists or Russians but rather in his own.
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Postby Estruia » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:18 pm

Lyttenburg wrote:
Estruia wrote:He has plunged the world into political turmoil, because he wants to be noticed by the International Community again. That's why I hate him, anyway. I love the Russian people, as I love all people, but Putin is an exception to that rule.


First of all - I wasn't acking you. Second - no, he hasn't. He didn't "plunged the world into political turmoil". Whatewher all those colourful speaches - it's only about the Ukraine, not the entire world.


You ARE aware that the actions of a Regional power do have adverse effects and consequences throughout the world as a whole, right?
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Postby Geilinor » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:19 pm

Constantinopolis wrote:
Slavonian kingdom wrote:You know what I meant. I would support the CPU if they were a true Ukranian party and not a Russian nationalist organisation.

They are not a Russian nationalist organisation, and even if they were, it is extremely undemocratic to suppress the nationalist organisations of a minority ethnic group (such as the Russians in Ukraine). As I said before, in a real democracy, parties don't get banned even when they openly advocate separatism (which the CPU does not actually advocate).


Nazi and neo-Nazi parties are banned in Germany. Does that make it "not a real democracy"?
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Postby Lyttenburg » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:21 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:No, he's gone around invading other nations[2] and taking their territory while arming and prolonging a conflict that's costing lives. So I'll say what most every person here agrees with, fuck Putin.


2 in fact. Although, in case of Gerogia it was a counter-invasion and Russia gained no territory from that, but, due to your constant brainwashing by Western Media, I can understand why are you so easily confused and made beleive in the myth of Big Bad Vlad.

And how many countries did USA invade since 2000, which resulted in hom many deaths, hmm?

And I'll say what every person in Russia agrees with - fuck USA!
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:21 pm

Slavonian kingdom wrote:
Constantinopolis wrote:Ooooh, "foreign imported element"! I haven't heard that one in a while. Yes, let us cleanse our glorious pure Ukrainian nation of foreign elements! 'Cause that's totally liberal and democratic and stuff, and doesn't sound similar to the f-word at all.

(besides, those commies are all a bunch of Jews, right? :roll: )

You know what I meant. I would support the CPU if they were a true Ukranian party and not a Russian nationalist organisation.

For the Jews. Please, it is you side that is pointing out how most oligarchs in Russia and Ukraine are of Jewish descendant. I heard even stories from pro-Russian where they accused Igor Kolomorsky, Poroshenko, Jatsenuk for being of jewish descendant as that is something bad.

In what way is it foreign? What, are Ukrainians not allowed to be pro-Soviet, because in that case, lots of Ukrainians need to be kicked out:
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Postby Lyttenburg » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:22 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Lyttenburg wrote:
Have you served in Israeli Defense Force?

No. Why?


Then why are you answering with a question?
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