Ukraine Crisis II: Electric Boogaloo

[Gravlen]

Ukraine says its army has captured 10 Russian paratroopers in the east of the country.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov dismissed reports of a Russian incursion into Ukraine, saying it was "dis-information" by the authorities in Kiev. State news agencies report that Russia says the group of Russian military personnel who were captured in eastern Ukraine had crossed the border by mistake.

"The soldiers really did participate in a patrol of a section of the Russian-Ukrainian border, crossed it by accident on an unmarked section, and as far as we understand showed no resistance to the armed forces of Ukraine when they were detained," a source said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/26/us-ukraine-crisis-paratroopers-idUSKBN0GQ0JH20140826
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/26/us-ukraine-crisis-military-russia-idUSKBN0GQ0KO20140826

The man identified as Sgt Romantsov, who describes himself as the second in command of a fighting vehicle, said his unit had been told to change uniforms, paint over distinguishing marks on their vehicles and hand over documents and mobile phones to their commanding officer before setting off.
"We asked why they were taking our phones off us, and the answer was we would be near the Ukrainian border, and the Ukrainians could allegedly work out our position from the phone signal and shell us," he says.

Another fine example of the big lie technique by the Russian officials. It's not very plausible at all that they were crossing the border by accident, or that soldiers ordered to paint over distinguishing marks on their vehicles before starting a "patrol" weren't being sent across the border.

One interesting thing related to this is how Russian soldiers apparently are getting medical treatment or burials in Russia after having been injured or killed at unspecified locations.

Both Russian and Ukrainian journalists have stoked the rumors, using reports of burials and hospitalizations of Russian soldiers to prove the country's involvement in the conflict in eastern Ukraine.

A member of the Kremlin rights council, Ella Polyakova, said on liberal Dozhd television on late Tuesday that about 100 injured Russian soldiers were recently flown into St. Petersburg from an unspecified location.

Polyakova, a soldiers' rights advocate, added that an unspecified number of Russian troops had been hospitalized in Rostov-on-Don.

She reported earlier the same day the destruction of a Russian military recon group in Ukraine.

On Tuesday, several Russian journalists were assaulted in Russia's Pskov region when trying to investigate reports about two paratroopers recently buried there, possibly victims of the Ukrainian conflict.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/putin-downplays-reports-of-russian-soldiers-captured-in-ukraine/505968.html

[OMGeverynameistaken]

Russia is currently the only country with a reliable ability to put humans into space. And the Chinese are the only ones who are trying besides them.
And their space program is based on modified Russian technology.

The Chinese are the only ones trying besides the Russians?

Reminds me of the punditry that was abound during the period when the Saturn V was retired but the Space Shuttle had not yet come into play. You've heard of the Orion, CCDev, and SLS programs, right? If you have, I'm guessing you believe that they are vaporware.

OK, "trying" was the wrong way to say it. "Actually have a program going which has demonstrated something more than CGI mockups thus far."

Last I heard none of the US launch manned launch systems were going to be ready before the early 2020s, and that's the government estimates...so I'd say 2025, at the earliest. That's barring significant increases in NASA's budget, of course, which aren't totally impossible given that the Russians have said they're pulling out of the ISS when the current agreement expires in 2022 (IIRC.) If nobody else has a manned launch system by then...well, it's going to be rather embarrassing. CCDev is great and all, but from what I've heard they're all developing capsules, not launch vehicles.

[Allanea]

The Chinese are the only ones trying besides the Russians?

Reminds me of the punditry that was abound during the period when the Saturn V was retired but the Space Shuttle had not yet come into play. You've heard of the Orion, CCDev, and SLS programs, right? If you have, I'm guessing you believe that they are vaporware.

OK, "trying" was the wrong way to say it. "Actually have a program going which has demonstrated something more than CGI mockups thus far."

Last I heard none of the US launch manned launch systems were going to be ready before the early 2020s, and that's the government estimates...so I'd say 2025, at the earliest. That's barring significant increases in NASA's budget, of course, which aren't totally impossible given that the Russians have said they're pulling out of the ISS when the current agreement expires in 2022 (IIRC.) If nobody else has a manned launch system by then...well, it's going to be rather embarrassing. CCDev is great and all, but from what I've heard they're all developing capsules, not launch vehicles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_9
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_(spacecraft)#NASA_Commercial_Crew_Development_program

As part of another optional milestone, the first crewed Dragon flight to the ISS is planned to be launched no sooner than December 2015; this mission will also carry a non-NASA crew.

[Gravlen]

“Regular Russian units are operating in eastern Ukraine,” Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk told parliament in Warsaw today, citing information from the country’s intelligence services and NATO.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-26/putin-says-ukraine-talks-positive-political-deal-mulled.html

“Information, which in recent hours has gained another hard-facts confirmation, is that regular Russian units are operating in eastern Ukraine,” Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said Wednesday. “This information, coming from NATO and confirmed by our intelligence, is in fact unequivocal.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/no-sign-of-quick-end-to-ukraine-conflict/2014/08/26/8a52c7e6-2d7f-11e4-be9e-60cc44c01e7f_story.html

Meanwhile, in Finland:

Finland will sign an agreement with NATO making it easier for the organization to put its troops on the Nordic country’s soil as the government in Helsinki condemns Russia’s treatment of Ukraine.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-27/finland-upgrades-nato-agreement-after-condemning-russian-tactics.html

[Kouralia]

Meanwhile, in Finland:

Finland will sign an agreement with NATO making it easier for the organization to put its troops on the Nordic country’s soil as the government in Helsinki condemns Russia’s treatment of Ukraine.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-27/finland-upgrades-nato-agreement-after-condemning-russian-tactics.html

For the purposes of me not really paying attention to the crisis atm...

I approve of this as Finland has a cool military.

[Occupied Deutschland]

“Regular Russian units are operating in eastern Ukraine,” Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk told parliament in Warsaw today, citing information from the country’s intelligence services and NATO.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-26/putin-says-ukraine-talks-positive-political-deal-mulled.html

“Information, which in recent hours has gained another hard-facts confirmation, is that regular Russian units are operating in eastern Ukraine,” Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said Wednesday. “This information, coming from NATO and confirmed by our intelligence, is in fact unequivocal.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/no-sign-of-quick-end-to-ukraine-conflict/2014/08/26/8a52c7e6-2d7f-11e4-be9e-60cc44c01e7f_story.html

Meanwhile, in Finland:

Finland will sign an agreement with NATO making it easier for the organization to put its troops on the Nordic country’s soil as the government in Helsinki condemns Russia’s treatment of Ukraine.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-27/finland-upgrades-nato-agreement-after-condemning-russian-tactics.html

Come now Gravlen, you know better!
Repeat after me:
There are no Russian soldiers in Ukraine. They are local Ukrainian self-defense forces with weapons from the corner store. Anybody can get BTRs, Grad missile systems and tanks from the Internet these days. Nato is the great satan. Russia is special. The West used to be imperialists too, so they can't object to it...Not that there's anything to object to.

[The blood ravens]

“Regular Russian units are operating in eastern Ukraine,” Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk told parliament in Warsaw today, citing information from the country’s intelligence services and NATO.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-26/putin-says-ukraine-talks-positive-political-deal-mulled.html

“Information, which in recent hours has gained another hard-facts confirmation, is that regular Russian units are operating in eastern Ukraine,” Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said Wednesday. “This information, coming from NATO and confirmed by our intelligence, is in fact unequivocal.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/no-sign-of-quick-end-to-ukraine-conflict/2014/08/26/8a52c7e6-2d7f-11e4-be9e-60cc44c01e7f_story.html

Meanwhile, in Finland:

Finland will sign an agreement with NATO making it easier for the organization to put its troops on the Nordic country’s soil as the government in Helsinki condemns Russia’s treatment of Ukraine.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-27/finland-upgrades-nato-agreement-after-condemning-russian-tactics.html

Come now Gravlen, you know better!
Repeat after me:
There are no Russian soldiers in Ukraine. They are local Ukrainian self-defense forces with weapons from the corner store. Anybody can get BTRs, Grad missile systems and tanks from the Internet these days. Nato is the great satan. Russia is special. The West used to be imperialists too, so they can't object to it...Not that there's anything to object to.

*Cough*

[Occupied Deutschland]

Come now Gravlen, you know better!
Repeat after me:
There are no Russian soldiers in Ukraine. They are local Ukrainian self-defense forces with weapons from the corner store. Anybody can get BTRs, Grad missile systems and tanks from the Internet these days. Nato is the great satan. Russia is special. The West used to be imperialists too, so they can't object to it...Not that there's anything to object to.

*Cough*

*sneeze*

[Germanic Templars]

*Cough*

*sneeze*

YOU CAN BUY MILITARY VEHICLES? LIKE APCs? SOLD!

Ehem... On more related news, Captured Russians' confessions point to Kremlin. Http:// www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-ukra ... story.html

[Lyttenburg]

Despite the Ukrainian promises of "soon and decisive victory" and the shameless downgrading of their loses, it appears, that not everyone on the frontlines is equally enthusiastic in its view of the situation.

For example, the commander of the "volunteer battalion Donbass" Semyon Semchenko is panicked and histerical in his latest FB post:

There is nothing to wait for. We were deceived again. I appeal to all indifferent Ukrainians and urging them to save our fellow soldiers. If they were abandoned by multi-stared generals, I believe that they will not be abandoned the people of Ukraine. No releif will arrive for them today. Responsible for this - the Minister of Defence and the the commander of ATO. There isn't even any forces to break through to them. Now, if weak barriers on the road Kuteynikova-Starobeshevo harden, there would be the second line of the blockade, and that' means there will be a mass grave for them. Today's protest is organized not by me - it was organized by the citizens of Kiev. I do repost and ask for support. Tomorrow I will join the organization of a new picket - we need as many people under the General Staff Building as possible

"Save our people!

In Ilovays'k for 5 Days are surrounded battalions "Donbass", "Dnepr", "Svitiaz", "Kherson" and "Mirotvorec."
The command of these units throughout these 5 days asked to the command of the ATO to create a corridor for the evacuation of seriously wounded. These appeals were heard not and by the military command and the leadership of the state.
We ask Avtomaydan, all patriots and caring people. Quickly go out today pn Bankova street demanding state leaders to immediately provide assistance to all units that are surrounded in Ilovays'k. Both healthy and wounded soldiers fare is in your hands".

Videofrom blokaded Ilovaysk. The topmost commentary, where a female user Daliychuck is SCREAMING: "FEARLESS UKRS (sic)! Come back home, we are waiting for you !!! And you bastards katcaps out from our country, and from this site, uёbki, non-humans, not yet killed fagots! As chiches (chechens) slated your throats so soon we will join them !!! Glory to Ukraine !!! Victory will be OURS!!! Damn you to the 9th knee rashistskie bastarads!!!!!" is a good example of what is going in the head brain of the ordinary citizen of Great and Independent Malorossiya.

Also, "reports form the front-lines":

1) Today were killed prominent figures of the pro-Kievan forces Timur Yuldashev and Ivan Zhuravlev. Zharavlev became famous as the first "trooper" who took down the DPR flag from the captured Slovyansk. But Yuldashev had much colorful biography.

In the mid-April of this year he was appointed commander of the battalion, which (in theory) should consist of volunteers from Lugansk. The aim of the unit was to “restore order and "clean the area from separatists". He modestly called it "Timur" after himself. Not managing to get enough people to form even a platoon, and after having been in the post of commander of this "micro-battalion" less than ten days, Timur became a somewhat unwilling guest of the polite and caring people, who at the time "lodged" in a former SBU building of Lugansk. After a chat with his new acquaintances Timur gave an interview in which he admitted his mistakes and sincerely repented of his previous ill deeds. He was release and It would seem that it was possible to forget about this "hero", but suddenly the had a continuation.

As it became known, among the troops involved in the ATO began the formation of another unit. In the city of Lutsk one fine and prominent "Right Sector" member Timur Yuldashev wished to invite to his new "punitive battalion" "all those who cherish their homeland." How much there ware this time - nobody knows, but what is know for sure is that his brand new "battalion" had suffered heavy loses in the Southern Front, and Yuldashev was among them.

2) Desertion in the Ukrainian army is increasing to such numbers, that it's impossible to hush anymore.

400 armed soldiers attempted to get through the checkpoint in Zaporozhye after they left their positions in the area of ATO

Yesterday near 400 armed soldiers of the Ukrainian army attempted to get through one of the checkpoints on the Orekhovskoye road. According to the Deputy Regional Commissioner of the military Michael Logvinov, it was the men of the 5th Battalion of territorial defense.
Servicemen moved on school buses and a smelter. As it turned out, the military servicemen drove home in Ivano-Frankivsk and demanded to be allowed to pass.
- Battalion since the July was surrounded in Amvrosievka, five kilometers from the Russian border. Guys were fired upon from the side of Russia, and they, wishing to save their lives, decided to leave the territory without an order from the commanders and without giving away their weapons - said Mikhail Logvinov.
In Zaporozhye armed men were not allowed to pass and were required to surrender their weapons. According to Deputy of the Regional Military Comissariat soldiers refused to do so, arguing that without weapons they will be considered deserters. As a result all of the fighters, accompanied by traffic police cars Zaporozhye region went on in t e the direction of Ivano-Frankivsk.

Now take some time to ponder this little tidbit of information. No hurry here. Just imagine this happening in any other country of the world (well, except Iraq). I really, really eager to hear how you gonna whitewash all these and/or change goalposts.

3) Journalist of Western-region based newspaper Volyn' Vasiliy Nagorniy shared his information about the situation Ilovaysk:

I hope the command of tht ATO will come to the aid of the men of the 51st [brigade], who are caught in the Donetsk region near Berezno, Olenivka. They have no means of communicating with me now, but the guys were really crying when I called, and one of them transferred the money from the his card to his mother's ... so they won't be lost.
Ilovajsk - is a strategic city ...
On August 25 there was a tank and artillery attack on our outposts under Іlovaysko and Starobeshevo from Donetsk's direction. 5th checkpoint was completely destroyed. Those who survived fled. Until now, the fate of some remains unknown.
Immediately died 7 troopers. Part of them (up to 30 people.) managed to reach the camp. The rest we do not know where.
3rd Battalion was surrounded and under constant shelling. 2nd Battalion came to their aid of, which even while on march was shelled by artillery. Result - 1 killed, 1 wounded.

At night of August 26 columns of tanks and trucks continued to rain fire on the 3rd Battalion in the area Dokuchaevsk. At night, our men of this battalion, 100 troopers total, tried to get out of the encirclement. 40 fighters were immediately killed , 5 person managed to get through. Others are missing.

During the day of August 26 artillery and Grad "sweep" was non-stop. Around 14:00 troopers of the 3rd Battalion started to call us, their commanders and their families for advice. We advised them to surrender, to save lives.

At this moment (I understand the responsibility of the application), we have up to 100 PEOPLE KILLED and at least 50 IN CAPTIVITY. Many wounded and missing.
The commander of the air defense missile battalion, Major Alexander Kondisyuku lost his leg, and Sasha blew himself up with a grenade.
Major Alexei Shepelyuk, anti-aircraft battery commander- Killed.
Captain Anatoly Shilik, mortar battery commander - killed by. "

I have tons of words to describe the situation of the Ukrainian ATO forces on the South Front, but they are nearly untranslatable. "Clusterfuck" just doesn't have the same depth, beauty and preciseness, as the words of Russian мат, that can describe situation properly. Oh, by the way - if someone gonna repeat an official lie, that "nearly 2000 people died in the conflict" this user of NSG would be ruthlessly ridiculed and directed to this (and other) posts, that hopefully would prove on point - there are much, much more than 2000 killed in this conflict.

4) Ukrainian government, after glorious military parade on the day of the "Нэзалежности" (that West's Honest and Objective Press barely noticed) and several success report complied by the standard "There are no loses! Victory will be ours!" scheme, noticed, that. UA don't have enough hardware and stuff. So, on the emergency session of the government, it was decided that:

a) To organize immediately the transfer of arms and military equipment from the warehouses of the Ministry of Defense for the Army, National Guard and armed groups which are involved in anti-terrorist operations, - within 48 hours after the application of the ATO's command.

b) To start immediate repair and modernization without additional approvals and permits of all military equipments of 3-4 category, which belongs to the Ministry of Defense and is on the production capacities of the State Concern "Ukroboronprom."

c) To start immediately the redemption of all Ministry of Defense's and the National Guard's military equipment, which is made by State Concern "Ukroboronprom" and is present in its warehouses, and its immediate delivery to the combat zone.

What this really means is the Poroshenko's new Camarilla ("junta" is so passé) is having some undocumented troubles that contradicts cheery information coming from the progressive Ukrainian Media sources. They had to purchase helicopters? Ergo, all others were already knocked by militias. They order to repair tanks and BMPs? So they have suffered greatly. By the way, where is the high-tech military equipment from the parade? The government buys all products of Ukroboronprom? This means that there won't be any external military assistance to the Ukraine. And besides, Ukrainian patriots have to tighten their belts even tighter, because this spending increases, and budget money flows to the zone of the ATO (and the pockets of its command).

5) We live in the amazing time of social media, that connects both higher-ups and hoi polloi. Who needs pro-Kiev propaganda spouted on dozen languages, when you have such stalwart hero of Revolution (and former oligarch) as Arsen Avakov, the current Acting Minister of the Interior.

And пан Avakov is nearly to cry us a river. Literally. In his Facebook post, minister tells this tearful story about the lack of literally everything for the front line troops:

I have endure, I was delicate, tried to do it "by the book" - does not work. Does not work! I came to the premiere:
- We can't hold any longer ...
- Did you managed to get?..
- No.
- Even grenade launchers?
- No. We do not need Putin, we will destroy ourselves because ... bureaucracy and old routines are stronger than Prime Minister and Minister [of the Interior]...

The struggle of common sense versus bureaucrats has already lasted 72 hours... We demanded the issue of equipment and weapons (including heavy) for the National Guard units and special battalions formed by the Ministry of Internal Affairs battalions "Donbass", "Dnepr-1", "Azov" etc.

But пан Avakov have prevailed! Later, he wrote:

Our old application finally fulfilled. RPG-18 will be shipped to the south. Finally got them. About 10 times less than it should be according to our estimates... We have 30 battalions in war zone, not three...

What to say?

Так переможем!

[The Lone Alliance]

“Regular Russian units are operating in eastern Ukraine,” Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk told parliament in Warsaw today, citing information from the country’s intelligence services and NATO.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-26/putin-says-ukraine-talks-positive-political-deal-mulled.html

“Information, which in recent hours has gained another hard-facts confirmation, is that regular Russian units are operating in eastern Ukraine,” Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said Wednesday. “This information, coming from NATO and confirmed by our intelligence, is in fact unequivocal.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/no-sign-of-quick-end-to-ukraine-conflict/2014/08/26/8a52c7e6-2d7f-11e4-be9e-60cc44c01e7f_story.html

It's time to deploy NATO forces in West Ukraine. If Russia wants to play that game lets play.

Despite the Ukrainian promises of "soon and decisive victory" and the shameless downgrading of their loses, it appears, that not everyone on the frontlines is equally enthusiastic in its view of the situation.

Well now that it's proven that Ukraine is fighting the Russian Army, the fact that they still have troops left is a surprise in itself.

[Thellonya]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/world ... rimea.html
Looks like it finally happened.

Anyone know if NATO is going to do anything?

[Lyttenburg]

Well now that it's proven that Ukraine is fighting the Russian Army, the fact that they still have troops left is a surprise in itself.

Oh, what a lame, lame excuse!

What, did they fougth "against Russian Army" since April? Or, what it was Russian saboteurs entrenched in the Ukrainian beuracracy that denied front-line troops the essential equipment? It was Russian agents in the Ukrainian top brass that lined their pockets before and stealing money right now?

Gee, what an enormous grip does Russia have over oh so "independent" Ukraine!

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/world/europe/ukraine-russia-novoazovsk-crimea.html
Looks like it finally happened.

Anyone know if NATO is going to do anything?

Yeah, sure, you know the drill, Westerners: "ZOMG! Ukraine can't lie to us! Everythin it says is a sacred truth! Russia always lie! Lets fane the fires of histerics! Aii!i!ii11!!1!111!!!"

[Farnhamia]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/world/europe/ukraine-russia-novoazovsk-crimea.html
Looks like it finally happened.

Anyone know if NATO is going to do anything?

Not yet. Great, just ... great.

[Thellonya]

Well now that it's proven that Ukraine is fighting the Russian Army, the fact that they still have troops left is a surprise in itself.

Oh, what a lame, lame excuse!

What, did they fougth "against Russian Army" since April? Or, what it was Russian saboteurs entrenched in the Ukrainian beuracracy that denied front-line troops the essential equipment? It was Russian agents in the Ukrainian top brass that lined their pockets before and stealing money right now?

Gee, what an enormous grip does Russia have over oh so "independent" Ukraine!

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/world/europe/ukraine-russia-novoazovsk-crimea.html
Looks like it finally happened.

Anyone know if NATO is going to do anything?

Yeah, sure, you know the drill, Westerners: "ZOMG! Ukraine can't lie to us! Everythin it says is a sacred truth! Russia always lie! Lets fane the fires of histerics! Aii!i!ii11!!1!111!!!"

So uh....is this guy for real? Because his posts are just.....wierd as hell

[Thellonya]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/world/europe/ukraine-russia-novoazovsk-crimea.html
Looks like it finally happened.

Anyone know if NATO is going to do anything?

Not yet. Great, just ... great.

So hopefully they do something this time.

[Farnhamia]

Oh, what a lame, lame excuse!

What, did they fougth "against Russian Army" since April? Or, what it was Russian saboteurs entrenched in the Ukrainian beuracracy that denied front-line troops the essential equipment? It was Russian agents in the Ukrainian top brass that lined their pockets before and stealing money right now?

Gee, what an enormous grip does Russia have over oh so "independent" Ukraine!



Yeah, sure, you know the drill, Westerners: "ZOMG! Ukraine can't lie to us! Everythin it says is a sacred truth! Russia always lie! Lets fane the fires of histerics! Aii!i!ii11!!1!111!!!"

So uh....is this guy for real? Because his posts are just.....wierd as hell

He's quite real. He's ... an enthusiastic supporter of Russia.

[Thellonya]

So uh....is this guy for real? Because his posts are just.....wierd as hell

He's quite real. He's ... an enthusiastic supporter of Russia.

Oh....so please forgive me for asking, but is he always like this? Not trying to be rude or anything, it just seems lately his posts have gotten a bit eccentric...

[Farnhamia]

He's quite real. He's ... an enthusiastic supporter of Russia.

Oh....so please forgive me for asking, but is he always like this? Not trying to be rude or anything, it just seems lately his posts have gotten a bit eccentric...

Eccentric is a good word. He gets wound up. You need to look past that. And we shouldn't be discussing another person's idiosyncrasies. Goodness knows we all have them.

[The blood ravens]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/world/europe/ukraine-russia-novoazovsk-crimea.html
Looks like it finally happened.

Anyone know if NATO is going to do anything?

I doubt NATO will militarily intervene in Ukraine.

Its anyone's guess at this point, but another round of economic sanctions is likely.

[Thellonya]

Oh....so please forgive me for asking, but is he always like this? Not trying to be rude or anything, it just seems lately his posts have gotten a bit eccentric...

Eccentric is a good word. He gets wound up. You need to look past that. And we shouldn't be discussing another person's idiosyncrasies. Goodness knows we all have them.

Yeah, i was just asking, i didnt have an intent to discuss em, and i am, and to be honest as seen before i do too, so i can relate. Anyone else have any other news?

[Thellonya]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/world/europe/ukraine-russia-novoazovsk-crimea.html
Looks like it finally happened.

Anyone know if NATO is going to do anything?

I doubt NATO will militarily intervene in Ukraine.

Its anyone's guess at this point, but another round of economic sanctions is likely.

Forgive me for my french, but what the fuck is economic sanctions gonna do?

[The blood ravens]

I doubt NATO will militarily intervene in Ukraine.

Its anyone's guess at this point, but another round of economic sanctions is likely.

Forgive me for my french, but what the fuck is economic sanctions gonna do?

I don't know. I'm not an expert on that sort of thing, but I don't think anyone is willing to risk war with Russia over Ukraine.

[Thellonya]

Forgive me for my french, but what the fuck is economic sanctions gonna do?

I don't know. I'm not an expert on that sort of thing, but I don't think anyone is willing to risk war with Russia over Ukraine.

So if economic sanctions dont do anything, we should just go sorry ukraine, you are on your own, but we strongly condemn any russian intervention!

[Grand Britannia]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/world/europe/ukraine-russia-novoazovsk-crimea.html
Looks like it finally happened.

Anyone know if NATO is going to do anything?

Write a very stern letter poking fun at Putin's mother.