Ukraine Crisis II: Electric Boogaloo

[Estruia]

*Points at the Soviet history of Interventions and Invasions*

Oh look, we can do the same thing!

Oh look..

"Dissolution of the Soviet Union"

Get with the fucking times.

Wait, are you just salty because Russia lacks the power to actually intervene around the world?

[Grand Russian Federation]

Oh look..

"Dissolution of the Soviet Union"

Get with the fucking times.

Wait, are you just salty because Russia lacks the power to actually intervene around the world?

Power? They have the power. They don't exercise it as often as a certain 4-word country, abbreviated USA.

You can buy anything online nowadays dontcha know? In fact, I'm saving up for an Mi-24.

I'm saving up for a T-90.

Nah, get the BMP-3. Tank and infantry killing power, all at an affordable price!
As a bonus, you get infantry transporting capabilities! Great for those parties where you get a lot of people coming.

[Lemanrussland]

A space program that isn't going anywhere, military aid to where exactly, and resources that countries like Canada probably have a few hundred times more of. Wait.... Are you talking about the Pro-Russian states in Ukraine, or North Korea here, I'm confused?

Russia is currently the only country with a reliable ability to put humans into space. And the Chinese are the only ones who are trying besides them.
And their space program is based on modified Russian technology.

The Chinese are the only ones trying besides the Russians?

Reminds me of the punditry that was abound during the period when the Saturn V was retired but the Space Shuttle had not yet come into play. You've heard of the Orion, CCDev, and SLS programs, right? If you have, I'm guessing you believe that they are vaporware.

[The balkens]

Wait, are you just salty because Russia lacks the power to actually intervene around the world?

Power? They have the power. They don't exercise it as often as a certain 4-word country, abbreviated USA.

I'm saving up for a T-90.

Nah, get the BMP-3. Tank and infantry killing power, all at an affordable price!
As a bonus, you get infantry transporting capabilities! Great for those parties where you get a lot of people coming.

I was going to donate the T-90 to NATO for target practice but that worls too!

[Grand Russian Federation]

Power? They have the power. They don't exercise it as often as a certain 4-word country, abbreviated USA.

Nah, get the BMP-3. Tank and infantry killing power, all at an affordable price!
As a bonus, you get infantry transporting capabilities! Great for those parties where you get a lot of people coming.

I was going to donate the T-90 to NATO for target practice but that worls too!

LOL! The amount of ignorance in this post is just wow.

NATO won't need it because they won't engage Russia in battle. Hopefully they aren't that stupid.
M.A.D.

[The blood ravens]

Wait! I bet these are "concerned citizens who got their equipment from the general store" or whatever bullshit excuse they could come up with.

You can buy anything online nowadays dontcha know? In fact, I'm saving up for an Mi-24.

*Cough*

[Washington Resistance Army]

You can buy anything online nowadays dontcha know? In fact, I'm saving up for an Mi-24.

*Cough*

Hmm... I'm interested now.

[Dalcaria]

*change from Tsars, to Premiers, to Presidents*
Nice try.

Someone call the Canadian ambulance line, I fell of my chair and broke my back laughing.

Have you ever, EVER looked into Russian history? The Ukrainian famine, the genocide of the Ciracassians, stealing Crimea from the Tartars and kicking them out of the country, and that's probably just a few! Lest we forget everything Russia did during the cold war to the satellite states! "*change from Tsars, to Premiers, to Presidents*" Somebody please add that to their sig, this has to be one of the most blinded things I have ever read.

[Dalcaria]

I was going to donate the T-90 to NATO for target practice but that worls too!

LOL! The amount of ignorance in this post is just wow.

NATO won't need it because they won't engage Russia in battle. Hopefully they aren't that stupid.
M.A.D.

You really don't understand M.A.D. do you? It exists to prevent NUCLEAR war, not all wars! The only reason M.A.D. would ever come up is if it looked like NATO was going to march all the way to Moscow. Really, the only one who would be stupid for even CONSIDERING using nukes for anything outside of that would probably be Putin. Why, why exactly would anyone put their nation's existence at risk over just Ukraine? No, M.A.D. would not come into play at all, and I'm bewildered anyone is still thinking that.

[Dalcaria]

Power? They have the power. They don't exercise it as often as a certain 4-word country, abbreviated USA.

The "power"? Their power consists of meddling in the affairs of ex-Soviet states. I hate to break it to you, but you are sorely over-estimating Russia.

[Grand Russian Federation]

LOL! The amount of ignorance in this post is just wow.

NATO won't need it because they won't engage Russia in battle. Hopefully they aren't that stupid.
M.A.D.

You really don't understand M.A.D. do you? It exists to prevent NUCLEAR war, not all wars! The only reason M.A.D. would ever come up is if it looked like NATO was going to march all the way to Moscow. Really, the only one who would be stupid for even CONSIDERING using nukes for anything outside of that would probably be Putin. Why, why exactly would anyone put their nation's existence at risk over just Ukraine? No, M.A.D. would not come into play at all, and I'm bewildered anyone is still thinking that.

You'll only stop the Russian hordes by cutting off their basing stations.

Power? They have the power. They don't exercise it as often as a certain 4-word country, abbreviated USA.

The "power"? Their power consists of meddling in the affairs of ex-Soviet states. I hate to break it to you, but you are sorely over-estimating Russia.

Yeah, and look at the USA. Their power consists of meddling in the affairs of third world countries. Same thing.

*change from Tsars, to Premiers, to Presidents*
Nice try.

Someone call the Canadian ambulance line, I fell of my chair and broke my back laughing.

Have you ever, EVER looked into Russian history? The Ukrainian famine, the genocide of the Ciracassians, stealing Crimea from the Tartars and kicking them out of the country, and that's probably just a few! Lest we forget everything Russia did during the cold war to the satellite states! "*change from Tsars, to Premiers, to Presidents*" Somebody please add that to their sig, this has to be one of the most blinded things I have ever read.

A corrupt leader is just that. One man. Everyone bowed down to Stalin in fear of execution.
Meanwhile, Russia has suffered through more successful civil wars than America has EVER had.

Unless America dissolves, they HAVE NEVER suffered through what Russia has, not even remotely. Invasion by Mongols, Napoleon, Hitler, then the Russian Civil War (where, by the way, the west intervened, BECAUSE WE KNEW IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN), and then the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

[Lyttenburg]

Have you ever, EVER looked into Russian history? The Ukrainian famine, the genocide of the Ciracassians, stealing Crimea from the Tartars and kicking them out of the country, and that's probably just a few! Lest we forget everything Russia did during the cold war to the satellite states! "*change from Tsars, to Premiers, to Presidents*" Somebody please add that to their sig, this has to be one of the most blinded things I have ever read.

It's you, who haven't read Russian history, as was demonstrated repeatedly in this very thread.

- "Golodomor" affected all USSR, not only UkSSR. Stop this really pointless whining "Ebul Russians genociding good Ukrainians with famine". This was adressed so many times on this forum.

- There are still Ciracassians living in Russia. Even near Sochi. Oh, by the way, when Russian Empire conquered Siberia and the Far Eeast it, strangely enough, didn't employed such "high-tech" and "progrssive" methods, that were employed dutring the colonization of both of Americs by much more "civilized" westerners. Thanks to that, all that native people still live in their Autonomous Republics. Now, in the RF lives more than 180 ethnicities, the vast majority of them - native to that land. Can "The Citadel of Freedom and the Bastion of Democracy" say the same about itself?

- Russia didn't "stole" Crimea from Tartars. Russian Empire conquered it in the second half of th 18th century. Before that, Crimean Khanate (vassals of the Ottoman Empire) existed as in that area, which primary "buiseness" consisted in raiding, pillaging, burning, killing and taking slaves of all its neighbours. Not to mention, that they came to that area with mongols in 13th century.

P.S.

And you, as Her Majestie's Subject, should perhaps, remember all the gory and nasty fact about your own Empire, before which "Russian crimes" simply pale.

[Thellonya]

Have you ever, EVER looked into Russian history? The Ukrainian famine, the genocide of the Ciracassians, stealing Crimea from the Tartars and kicking them out of the country, and that's probably just a few! Lest we forget everything Russia did during the cold war to the satellite states! "*change from Tsars, to Premiers, to Presidents*" Somebody please add that to their sig, this has to be one of the most blinded things I have ever read.

It;s you, who haven't read Russian history, as was demonstrated repeatedly in this very thread.

- "Golodomor" affected all USSR, not only UkSSR. Stop this really pointless whining "Ebul Russians genociding good Ukrainians with famine". This was adressed so many times on this forum.

- There are still Ciracassians living in Russia. Even near Sochi. Oh, by the way, when Russian Empire conquered Siberia and the Far Eeast it, strangely enough, didn't employed such "high-tech" and "progrssive" methods, that were employed dutring the colonization of both of Americs by much more "civilized" westerners. Thanks to that, all that native people still live in their Autonomous Republics. Now, in the RF lives more than 180 ethnicities, the vast majority of them - native to that land. Can "The Citadel of Freedom and the Bastion of Democracy" say the same about itself?

- Russia didn't "stole" Crimea from Tartars. Russian Empire conquered it in the second half of th 18th century. Before that, Crimean Khanate (vassals of the Ottoman Empire) existed as in that area, which primary "buiseness" consisted in raiding, pillaging, burning, killing and taking slaves of all its neighbours. Not to mention, that they came to that area with mongols in 13th century.

P.S.

And you, as Her Majestie's Subject, should perhaps, remember all the gory and nasty fact about your own Empire, before which "Russian crimes" simply pale.

And this justified the deportation how? Fuck it, lets deport the tatars for no fucking reason!

[Kouralia]

And you, as Her Majestie's Subject, should perhaps, remember all the gory and nasty fact about your own Empire, before which "Russian crimes" simply pale.

I congratulate you. I never would have realised that Dalcaria came from the Republic of Ireland, was born before 1949, and claimed subject status prior to 1981.

Almost Sherlock Holmes-esque deductive skills you've got there.

[Lemanrussland]

It;s you, who haven't read Russian history, as was demonstrated repeatedly in this very thread.

- "Golodomor" affected all USSR, not only UkSSR. Stop this really pointless whining "Ebul Russians genociding good Ukrainians with famine". This was adressed so many times on this forum.

- There are still Ciracassians living in Russia. Even near Sochi. Oh, by the way, when Russian Empire conquered Siberia and the Far Eeast it, strangely enough, didn't employed such "high-tech" and "progrssive" methods, that were employed dutring the colonization of both of Americs by much more "civilized" westerners. Thanks to that, all that native people still live in their Autonomous Republics. Now, in the RF lives more than 180 ethnicities, the vast majority of them - native to that land. Can "The Citadel of Freedom and the Bastion of Democracy" say the same about itself?

- Russia didn't "stole" Crimea from Tartars. Russian Empire conquered it in the second half of th 18th century. Before that, Crimean Khanate (vassals of the Ottoman Empire) existed as in that area, which primary "buiseness" consisted in raiding, pillaging, burning, killing and taking slaves of all its neighbours. Not to mention, that they came to that area with mongols in 13th century.

P.S.

And you, as Her Majestie's Subject, should perhaps, remember all the gory and nasty fact about your own Empire, before which "Russian crimes" simply pale.

And this justified the deportation how? Fuck it, lets deport the tatars for no fucking reason!

Not for no reason, but because they were perceived as a threat to the regime. Stalin engaged in all kinds of ethnic transfers and other shenanigans. He also drew the dysfunctional borders you see in Central Asia nowadays (although national delimitation in the USSR was an ongoing process since the beginning of its existence, he made decisions for political reasons which became issues after the USSR collapsed).

I find that most ardently pro-Russia people either try to minimize or explain away some of the things that Stalin did, or just say he was a dirty non-Russian Georgian (this became more common after the whole 2008 Georgia Crisis).

[Dalcaria]

You'll only stop the Russian hordes by cutting off their basing stations.

Hordes! There's only about 144 million people living there, compared to the US's 300 million. And of course, that's forgetting all the Euro powers, Japan, Middle Eastern Allies, etc. Russian Hordes? The only Hordes that will ever be in Russia will be the Chinese coming to back them up!

Yeah, and look at the USA. Their power consists of meddling in the affairs of third world countries. Same thing.

Except that involves them having one of the world's biggest navy's, biggest airforce's, and biggest army's to be able to accomplish that goal. I don't even like the US and I can recognize this!

A corrupt leader is just that. One man. Everyone bowed down to Stalin in fear of execution.
Meanwhile, Russia has suffered through more successful civil wars than America has EVER had.

And what can we make of a corrupt leader who has the support of the people? I don't see Russians condemning the Tzars or Stalin for their treatment of non-Russian people! And for the record, many Russians today actually PRAISE Stalin, a result of rampant nationalism. And why should the civil wars have any relevance to this topic by the way? I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make with that.

Unless America dissolves, they HAVE NEVER suffered through what Russia has, not even remotely. Invasion by Mongols, Napoleon, Hitler, then the Russian Civil War (where, by the way, the west intervened, BECAUSE WE KNEW IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN), and then the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

And I don't think there are many nations (save for maybe China, a few other communist states, and Nazi Germany) that have caused as much suffering as Russia. You stole land from Tartars, Ciracassians, Ukrainians, Poles, Jews, and nearly every other Balkan State plus others. You killed millions in the Ukrainian famine and other abuses of other people, and now you're adding insult to injury to trying to AGAIN steal land that you had already stolen before. Do you really not get why so much of the world is angry at Russia?

[Grand Russian Federation]

You'll only stop the Russian hordes by cutting off their basing stations.

Hordes! There's only about 144 million people living there, compared to the US's 300 million. And of course, that's forgetting all the Euro powers, Japan, Middle Eastern Allies, etc. Russian Hordes? The only Hordes that will ever be in Russia will be the Chinese coming to back them up!

Yeah, and look at the USA. Their power consists of meddling in the affairs of third world countries. Same thing.

Except that involves them having one of the world's biggest navy's, biggest airforce's, and biggest army's to be able to accomplish that goal. I don't even like the US and I can recognize this!

A corrupt leader is just that. One man. Everyone bowed down to Stalin in fear of execution.
Meanwhile, Russia has suffered through more successful civil wars than America has EVER had.

And what can we make of a corrupt leader who has the support of the people? I don't see Russians condemning the Tzars or Stalin for their treatment of non-Russian people! And for the record, many Russians today actually PRAISE Stalin, a result of rampant nationalism. And why should the civil wars have any relevance to this topic by the way? I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make with that.

Unless America dissolves, they HAVE NEVER suffered through what Russia has, not even remotely. Invasion by Mongols, Napoleon, Hitler, then the Russian Civil War (where, by the way, the west intervened, BECAUSE WE KNEW IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN), and then the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

And I don't think there are many nations (save for maybe China, a few other communist states, and Nazi Germany) that have caused as much suffering as Russia. You stole land from Tartars, Ciracassians, Ukrainians, Poles, Jews, and nearly every other Balkan State plus others. You killed millions in the Ukrainian famine and other abuses of other people, and now you're adding insult to injury to trying to AGAIN steal land that you had already stolen before. Do you really not get why so much of the world is angry at Russia?

Most of the world is FUCKING OVER the times that they were the Soviet Union, except you know, the EU and America, as usual. Oh, btw suffering? Say that to America, who brings "democracy and peace" to nations. Installing maniacs who only want to kick communism out. At least who Russians installed wanted to help the people.

Btw, who said I thought Stalin sucked? The man led Russia to be the superpower it is today.

Oh, and one of the biggest armies, navies, and air forces? All lunch meat for Russian Defence forces. Considering how Russia is coming along, their infantry and tanks can VERY WELL combat the genero-Abrams America has and whatever they bring with them. S-300 systems turn aircraft straight into soup, and if 'Murica will fight in Ukraine, unless they want to be held in a Thermapolae-like situation, they won't have the ability to really utilize their navy as far as it can be done.

You already said it yourself up there too. China will be there to assist.

[Dalcaria]

It;s you, who haven't read Russian history, as was demonstrated repeatedly in this very thread.

I get the impression "it;s" you that is going to demonstrate this now. XD

- "Golodomor" affected all USSR, not only UkSSR. Stop this really pointless whining "Ebul Russians genociding good Ukrainians with famine". This was adressed so many times on this forum.

And your point is? Russians went into Ukraine and starved out millions because they didn't want to share with Russia. So maybe it's you that needs to stop whining about the "ebul Ukrainians not sharing wid Russia".

- There are still Ciracassians living in Russia. Even near Sochi.

Uh, fantastic? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing_of_Circassians According to this nearly 90% of the people affected were deported, so I don't see how some Ciracassians living in Russia justifies this any more.

Oh, by the way, when Russian Empire conquered Siberia and the Far Eeast it, strangely enough, didn't employed such "high-tech" and "progrssive" methods, that were employed dutring the colonization of both of Americs by much more "civilized" westerners. Thanks to that, all that native people still live in their Autonomous Republics. Now, in the RF lives more than 180 ethnicities, the vast majority of them - native to that land. Can "The Citadel of Freedom and the Bastion of Democracy" say the same about itself?

I'm not really sure how Russia being (according to you) nice to the Siberians makes their treatment of Ciracassians, Jews, Tartars, etc. justified. Care to explain the logic there? Also, if by Bastion of Democracy you mean the British, you actually can say that in many ways. Ever heard of Tecumseh's Confederation? Yeah, that was the British. Also, the natives chose sides in a lot of the wars between France and Britain, probably over matters of trade and, believe it or not, per-existing tribal tensions.

- Russia didn't "stole" Crimea from Tartars. Russian Empire conquered it in the second half of th 18th century. Before that, Crimean Khanate (vassals of the Ottoman Empire) existed as in that area, which primary "buiseness" consisted in raiding, pillaging, burning, killing and taking slaves of all its neighbours. Not to mention, that they came to that area with mongols in 13th century.

And so the Tartars continued this into the second half of the 18th century too? I'm pretty sure they stopped quite a while before that, and no, Russia didn't invade for revenge, they did it to expand their territory, so don't even try to blame this on "the Tartars started it!" By the way, just because Russians killed millions of Ukrainians in the Ukrainian famine, does that mean they are justified in killing Russians today? Because that seems to essentially be your self-defeating logic. Also, yeah the Tartars may have come with Mongols. Kiev used to be the Capital of Russia at one point. What's your point here? The Tartars moved to Crimea and inhabited it for about 600 years I think, give or take. Also, did the crimes Tartars committed nearly 600 years ago justify Stalin kicking them out of their own land? Are you trying to imply that too?

P.S.

And you, as Her Majestie's Subject, should perhaps, remember all the gory and nasty fact about your own Empire, before which "Russian crimes" simply pale.

So Russia is justified in committing crimes because "hey, the UK did it!"? Really? And yes, the British did do some terrible things, but the Russian crimes "pale" before ours? Go google the Ukrainian famine sometime pal, Russia is nowhere's even close to being "purer" than the UK. You're just as bad.

[Dalcaria]

Most of the world is FUCKING OVER the times that they were the Soviet Union, except you know, the EU and America, as usual.

Please learn to English. lol

Oh, btw suffering? Say that to America, who brings "democracy and peace" to nations. Installing maniacs who only want to kick communism out. At least who Russians installed wanted to help the people.

Again with the comparisons! Also, did you maybe forget the time Russia tried to bring "freedom and Communism" to Afghanistan? Or how about Poland? Hungary? But hey, at least Russian installed people who "wanted to help". /sarcasm

Btw, who said I thought Stalin sucked? The man led Russia to be the superpower it is today.

Everything I said has been confirmed by this statement right her. XD Stalin killed millions of people of other ethnic groups, PLUS Russians! This man was an awful leader! He almost destroyed Russia from his insane paranoia and the only reason Russia become powerful is because he died and Khrushchev de-Stalinized the country!

Oh, and one of the biggest armies, navies, and air forces? All lunch meat for Russian Defence forces. Considering how Russia is coming along, their infantry and tanks can VERY WELL combat the genero-Abrams America has and whatever they bring with them. S-300 systems turn aircraft straight into soup, and if 'Murica will fight in Ukraine, unless they want to be held in a Thermapolae-like situation, they won't have the ability to really utilize their navy as far as it can be done.

Congratulations! You now know how to spout empty, ultra-nationalist hopped up rhetoric! I don't even like the US, but this right here is stupid. Actually try proving a point if you're going to make one.

You already said it yourself up there too. China will be there to assist.

Yeah, the ACTUAL threat to world peace.

[Germanic Templars]

Most of the world is FUCKING OVER the times that they were the Soviet Union, except you know, the EU and America, as usual. Oh, btw suffering? Say that to America, who brings "democracy and peace" to nations. Installing maniacs who only want to kick communism out. At least who Russians installed wanted to help the people.

Btw, who said I thought Stalin sucked? The man led Russia to be the superpower it is today.

Oh, and one of the biggest armies, navies, and air forces? All lunch meat for Russian Defence forces. Considering how Russia is coming along, their infantry and tanks can VERY WELL combat the genero-Abrams America has and whatever they bring with them. S-300 systems turn aircraft straight into soup, and if 'Murica will fight in Ukraine, unless they want to be held in a Thermapolae-like situation, they won't have the ability to really utilize their navy as far as it can be done.

You already said it yourself up there too. China will be there to assist.

As a US soldier this is my response to this, mate:

Really?

You really are ignorant of our military might aren't you. Hell, technology and training we beat you in, but even then those two are worthless without tactics, which we practice (Trust me, I have the 2015 Doctrine of Army Study Guide, 200 pages listing resources to learn).

[The New Lowlands]

I was going to donate the T-90 to NATO for target practice but that worls too!

LOL! The amount of ignorance in this post is just wow.

NATO won't need it because they won't engage Russia in battle. Hopefully they aren't that stupid.
M.A.D.

MAD isn't necessarily applicable. See: Kargil War

[Thellonya]

Most of the world is FUCKING OVER the times that they were the Soviet Union, except you know, the EU and America, as usual. Oh, btw suffering? Say that to America, who brings "democracy and peace" to nations. Installing maniacs who only want to kick communism out. At least who Russians installed wanted to help the people.

Btw, who said I thought Stalin sucked? The man led Russia to be the superpower it is today.

Oh, and one of the biggest armies, navies, and air forces? All lunch meat for Russian Defence forces. Considering how Russia is coming along, their infantry and tanks can VERY WELL combat the genero-Abrams America has and whatever they bring with them. S-300 systems turn aircraft straight into soup, and if 'Murica will fight in Ukraine, unless they want to be held in a Thermapolae-like situation, they won't have the ability to really utilize their navy as far as it can be done.

You already said it yourself up there too. China will be there to assist.

As a US soldier this is my response to this, mate:

Really?

You really are ignorant of our military might aren't you. Hell, technology and training we beat you in, but even then those two are worthless without tactics, which we practice (Trust me, I have the 2015 Doctrine of Army Study Guide, 200 pages listing resources to learn).

Wanting to know but does America have any plans of selling some weaponry to Ukraine in the near future?

[Germanic Templars]

As a US soldier this is my response to this, mate:

Really?

You really are ignorant of our military might aren't you. Hell, technology and training we beat you in, but even then those two are worthless without tactics, which we practice (Trust me, I have the 2015 Doctrine of Army Study Guide, 200 pages listing resources to learn).

Wanting to know but does America have any plans of selling some weaponry to Ukraine in the near future?

That I do not know, unfortunately. My things is I hope they do because the current tech they have is rather....Outdated..Imho. Granted it is not as bad as North Korea, but still.

[The Lone Alliance]

You'll only stop the Russian hordes by cutting off their basing stations.

Destroy the initial Russian incursion, the flood the border with land mines.

Solved

You already said it yourself up there too. China will be there to assist.

A little Sabotage on your Russian railways and China will be forced to walk to Ukraine, best hope Russia has the logistics to supply them.

[Tahar Joblis]

Ukraine says its army has captured 10 Russian paratroopers in the east of the country.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov dismissed reports of a Russian incursion into Ukraine, saying it was "dis-information" by the authorities in Kiev. State news agencies report that Russia says the group of Russian military personnel who were captured in eastern Ukraine had crossed the border by mistake.

"The soldiers really did participate in a patrol of a section of the Russian-Ukrainian border, crossed it by accident on an unmarked section, and as far as we understand showed no resistance to the armed forces of Ukraine when they were detained," a source said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/26/us-ukraine-crisis-paratroopers-idUSKBN0GQ0JH20140826
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/26/us-ukraine-crisis-military-russia-idUSKBN0GQ0KO20140826

The man identified as Sgt Romantsov, who describes himself as the second in command of a fighting vehicle, said his unit had been told to change uniforms, paint over distinguishing marks on their vehicles and hand over documents and mobile phones to their commanding officer before setting off.
"We asked why they were taking our phones off us, and the answer was we would be near the Ukrainian border, and the Ukrainians could allegedly work out our position from the phone signal and shell us," he says.

Another fine example of the big lie technique by the Russian officials. It's not very plausible at all that they were crossing the border by accident, or that soldiers ordered to paint over distinguishing marks on their vehicles before starting a "patrol" weren't being sent across the border.