Ukraine Crisis II: Electric Boogaloo

[Aterna]

Ukraine says its army has captured 10 Russian paratroopers in the east of the country.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov dismissed reports of a Russian incursion into Ukraine, saying it was "dis-information" by the authorities in Kiev. State news agencies report that Russia says the group of Russian military personnel who were captured in eastern Ukraine had crossed the border by mistake.

"The soldiers really did participate in a patrol of a section of the Russian-Ukrainian border, crossed it by accident on an unmarked section, and as far as we understand showed no resistance to the armed forces of Ukraine when they were detained," a source said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/26/us-ukraine-crisis-paratroopers-idUSKBN0GQ0JH20140826
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/26/us-ukraine-crisis-military-russia-idUSKBN0GQ0KO20140826

Since when do paratroopers do patrol duty near a nation's border? Oh Russia, Russia, when will you realize we all see through your lies?

[Organized States]

Ukraine says its army has captured 10 Russian paratroopers in the east of the country.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov dismissed reports of a Russian incursion into Ukraine, saying it was "dis-information" by the authorities in Kiev. State news agencies report that Russia says the group of Russian military personnel who were captured in eastern Ukraine had crossed the border by mistake.

"The soldiers really did participate in a patrol of a section of the Russian-Ukrainian border, crossed it by accident on an unmarked section, and as far as we understand showed no resistance to the armed forces of Ukraine when they were detained," a source said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/26/us-ukraine-crisis-paratroopers-idUSKBN0GQ0JH20140826
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/26/us-ukraine-crisis-military-russia-idUSKBN0GQ0KO20140826

When did the VDV become the border guards?

Lol.

[Allanea]

Since when do paratroopers do patrol duty near a nation's border? Oh Russia, Russia, when will you realize we all see through your lies?

Often? Israel certainly uses various infantry divisions (Golani, Givati, Paratroopers) to help secure its borders.

Here are official IDF photographs of Shaked Battalion, Givati Brigade securing the border from terrorist infiltrators.

Here is a post by an IDF paratrooper detailing his border guard duty: Winding Down:

As a bit of an update on location and what we’re doing, we finally finished our 3 months of imun (training) and have moved onto guarding the northern border of Israel with Lebanon.

Here's a news article about IDF paratroopers preparing for patrol of the Northern border over here.

[Crazed Pirates]

Ukraine says its army has captured 10 Russian paratroopers in the east of the country.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov dismissed reports of a Russian incursion into Ukraine, saying it was "dis-information" by the authorities in Kiev. State news agencies report that Russia says the group of Russian military personnel who were captured in eastern Ukraine had crossed the border by mistake.

"The soldiers really did participate in a patrol of a section of the Russian-Ukrainian border, crossed it by accident on an unmarked section, and as far as we understand showed no resistance to the armed forces of Ukraine when they were detained," a source said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/26/us-ukraine-crisis-paratroopers-idUSKBN0GQ0JH20140826
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/26/us-ukraine-crisis-military-russia-idUSKBN0GQ0KO20140826

Since when do paratroopers do patrol duty near a nation's border? Oh Russia, Russia, when will you realize we all see through your lies?

This source says that 10 paratroopers controlled several dozen armed vehicles. The lies ain't Russian at all.

[New Rogernomics]

Russian rebels put woman accused of being a spy out for public humiliation, abuse and mock execution in Donetsk. Senior separatist commander The Georgian condemned the abuse, but could do nothing since the Russian volunteers "do not report to Ukrainian commanders". After a discussion, the captors drove the woman away to an unknown location.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/26/world/europe/russia-ukraine.html?_r=0

At this point I should mention that the DPR recently introduced the death penalty for a number of crimes including treason, looting and espionage.

Seems like the DPR is becoming less secure in its hold then, if it has to resort to emergency like powers to keep control.

[Allanea]

Seems like the DPR is becoming less secure in its hold then, if it has to resort to emergency like powers to keep control.

The death penalty was in place for at least four months in the DPR.

Which sort of makes sense in the context.

[Estruia]

Since when do paratroopers do patrol duty near a nation's border? Oh Russia, Russia, when will you realize we all see through your lies?

This source says that 10 paratroopers controlled several dozen armed vehicles. The lies ain't Russian at all.

You're really bad at reading, eh? The source said they were PART of an Armored Column, not that they personally operated the vehicles within it. This matches up with earlier reports of an Armored column crossing into Ukraine from Russia, around the time that the Humanitarian convoy was near the border.

[Dalcaria]

Since when do paratroopers do patrol duty near a nation's border? Oh Russia, Russia, when will you realize we all see through your lies?

Often? Israel certainly uses various infantry divisions (Golani, Givati, Paratroopers) to help secure its borders.

Here are official IDF photographs of Shaked Battalion, Givati Brigade securing the border from terrorist infiltrators.

Here is a post by an IDF paratrooper detailing his border guard duty: Winding Down:

As a bit of an update on location and what we’re doing, we finally finished our 3 months of imun (training) and have moved onto guarding the northern border of Israel with Lebanon.

Here's a news article about IDF paratroopers preparing for patrol of the Northern border over here.

Um, since when has Russia had the same border security issues as Israel? In Israel, people are at constant risk of death, and more importantly we've seen actual deaths happen there, something I have not really heard about with Russia and the Ukrainian conflict. There may have been shells that made their way into Russia, but there were shells in Syria that made it into Turkey, and I don't recall hearing about them amassing troops there ready to invade. On the contrary, I think they made their goal to get people away from the border and to a safe distance. Since Russia has not yet announced this as their reasoning, I think it's fairly safe to assume this isn't their reasoning for having paratroopers at the border. Regular infantry and defensive weapons makes sense, but it sounds like they're building up an attack force. So really, I think you've made a poor comparison by bringing up the IDF.

[Grand Russian Federation]

Often? Israel certainly uses various infantry divisions (Golani, Givati, Paratroopers) to help secure its borders.

Here are official IDF photographs of Shaked Battalion, Givati Brigade securing the border from terrorist infiltrators.

Here is a post by an IDF paratrooper detailing his border guard duty: Winding Down:



Here's a news article about IDF paratroopers preparing for patrol of the Northern border over here.

Um, since when has Russia had the same border security issues as Israel? In Israel, people are at constant risk of death, and more importantly we've seen actual deaths happen there, something I have not really heard about with Russia and the Ukrainian conflict. There may have been shells that made their way into Russia, but there were shells in Syria that made it into Turkey, and I don't recall hearing about them amassing troops there ready to invade. On the contrary, I think they made their goal to get people away from the border and to a safe distance. Since Russia has not yet announced this as their reasoning, I think it's fairly safe to assume this isn't their reasoning for having paratroopers at the border. Regular infantry and defensive weapons makes sense, but it sounds like they're building up an attack force. So really, I think you've made a poor comparison by bringing up the IDF.

If they were building an attack force, I'd support them 100%. We need to end this conflict already. If it won't resolve by itself, Russia must resolve it by force.

[Dalcaria]

Seems like the DPR is becoming less secure in its hold then, if it has to resort to emergency like powers to keep control.

The death penalty was in place for at least four months in the DPR.

Which sort of makes sense in the context.

Killing people for "treason" to a non-legally existing country "makes sense"? Wonder if anyone gets a fair trial? Wow, this is sounding a lot more like ISIS now. Bravo Russian Ultra-Nationalists, bravo.

[Estruia]

Um, since when has Russia had the same border security issues as Israel? In Israel, people are at constant risk of death, and more importantly we've seen actual deaths happen there, something I have not really heard about with Russia and the Ukrainian conflict. There may have been shells that made their way into Russia, but there were shells in Syria that made it into Turkey, and I don't recall hearing about them amassing troops there ready to invade. On the contrary, I think they made their goal to get people away from the border and to a safe distance. Since Russia has not yet announced this as their reasoning, I think it's fairly safe to assume this isn't their reasoning for having paratroopers at the border. Regular infantry and defensive weapons makes sense, but it sounds like they're building up an attack force. So really, I think you've made a poor comparison by bringing up the IDF.

If they were building an attack force, I'd support them 100%. We need to end this conflict already. If it won't resolve by itself, Russia must resolve it by force.

No, Russia just needs to shut up, sit down and let the Adults handle the situation.

[Grand Russian Federation]

The death penalty was in place for at least four months in the DPR.

Which sort of makes sense in the context.

Killing people for "treason" to a non-legally existing country "makes sense"? Wonder if anyone gets a fair trial? Wow, this is sounding a lot more like ISIS now. Bravo Russian Ultra-Nationalists, bravo.

So are you saying, if I make a country that is not legally recognized, but it works, I CANNOT kill people for crimes?

This logic, so good.

[Dalcaria]

Um, since when has Russia had the same border security issues as Israel? In Israel, people are at constant risk of death, and more importantly we've seen actual deaths happen there, something I have not really heard about with Russia and the Ukrainian conflict. There may have been shells that made their way into Russia, but there were shells in Syria that made it into Turkey, and I don't recall hearing about them amassing troops there ready to invade. On the contrary, I think they made their goal to get people away from the border and to a safe distance. Since Russia has not yet announced this as their reasoning, I think it's fairly safe to assume this isn't their reasoning for having paratroopers at the border. Regular infantry and defensive weapons makes sense, but it sounds like they're building up an attack force. So really, I think you've made a poor comparison by bringing up the IDF.

If they were building an attack force, I'd support them 100%. We need to end this conflict already. If it won't resolve by itself, Russia must resolve it by force.

Wow, just listen to yourself! Actually, let me put it in perspective! "We need to end WW2 already. If it won't resolve itself, Nazi Germany must resolve it by force." Am I comparing Putin to Hitler? You be I am! But that's not what matters, what matters is the horrendously narrow-mindedness to this statement! A Russian victory is justified because it ends a war, even if millions get killed for it, or if a nation loses it's independence? You know, this war WOULD have resolved itself is Russia had stayed out of Ukraine's business in the FIRST PLACE. 2000 dead would be alive, 330'000 displaced persons would be at home living life as normal. And you say Russia should "resolve" it. *facepalm*

[Estruia]

Killing people for "treason" to a non-legally existing country "makes sense"? Wonder if anyone gets a fair trial? Wow, this is sounding a lot more like ISIS now. Bravo Russian Ultra-Nationalists, bravo.

So are you saying, if I make a country that is not legally recognized, but it works, I CANNOT kill people for crimes?

This logic, so good.

Except the DPR isn't functioning as a State, lol. I mean, if you strip the requirements for being a state to the bare-minimum, then maybe they are. But, the Civilized World doesn't see the DPR as a legitimate, functioning State.

[Dalcaria]

Killing people for "treason" to a non-legally existing country "makes sense"? Wonder if anyone gets a fair trial? Wow, this is sounding a lot more like ISIS now. Bravo Russian Ultra-Nationalists, bravo.

So are you saying, if I make a country that is not legally recognized, but it works, I CANNOT kill people for crimes?

This logic, so good.

Uh, since when have any of the Pro-Russian countries been "working"? And saying "I CANNOT kill people for crimes?" is just hilarious given that we have no idea if these people are A) getting a free trial, B) committing crimes, or C) if this isn't simply a form of oppression being dressed up as "justice". One of the benefits of being a LEGALLY recognized country is we can actually investigate these things and see what is going on.

[Dalcaria]

If they were building an attack force, I'd support them 100%. We need to end this conflict already. If it won't resolve by itself, Russia must resolve it by force.

No, Russia just needs to shut up, sit down and let the Adults handle the situation.

[Washington Resistance Army]

So are you saying, if I make a country that is not legally recognized, but it works, I CANNOT kill people for crimes?

This logic, so good.

Except the DPR isn't functioning as a State, lol.

You really have no idea what you're talking about do you?

[Dalcaria]

Except the DPR isn't functioning as a State, lol.

You really have no idea what you're talking about do you?

From the outside, they seem to be functioning about as much as the Islamic State. I wonder if that woman "spy" will get a trial or not?

[Washington Resistance Army]

You really have no idea what you're talking about do you?

From the outside, they seem to be functioning about as much as the Islamic State. I wonder if that woman "spy" will get a trial or not?

I didn't know the Islamic State had a space program, sent military aid and advisers to nations at war or was one of the most resource rich nations on the planet. Saying the DPRK doesn't function as a state just shows you don't know anything about the DPRK, it may be a belligerent state but that doesn't change anything.

[Grand Russian Federation]

If they were building an attack force, I'd support them 100%. We need to end this conflict already. If it won't resolve by itself, Russia must resolve it by force.

Wow, just listen to yourself! Actually, let me put it in perspective! "We need to end WW2 already. If it won't resolve itself, Nazi Germany must resolve it by force." Am I comparing Putin to Hitler? You be I am! But that's not what matters, what matters is the horrendously narrow-mindedness to this statement! A Russian victory is justified because it ends a war, even if millions get killed for it, or if a nation loses it's independence? You know, this war WOULD have resolved itself is Russia had stayed out of Ukraine's business in the FIRST PLACE. 2000 dead would be alive, 330'000 displaced persons would be at home living life as normal. And you say Russia should "resolve" it. *facepalm*

There's a difference. WW2 is a big huge war. That's why we called it "WORLD WAR 2". Also, comparing Hitler to Putin, I thought some people were low, but this just shows. Unless somebody steps in, it will keep on going because unless somebody has a huge change of mind, we will NOT have a compromise. The illegitimate government wants Eastern Ukraine to fuel their illegitimate regime. The Eastern Ukrainians, surprise surprise! They want to keep their land.
Oh, look at you complaining about them staying out of Ukraines business!

BIG FUCKING SURPRISE. Hey, you know there is something called, uh, politics? You need power to succeed. I sure as hell would not be pleased to have a damn neighbor fighting next to me! You need power in the modern world, you need leverage. Funding and/or attacking the ILLEGITIMATE SIDE, FUNDED BY THE WEST would accomplish this.

Btw, you think that's wrong? Just look at the USA, with their intervention where they aren't fucking needed. Serbia, Central America, etc, there are so many examples you cannot even begin to count them yourself.

[Estruia]

Except the DPR isn't functioning as a State, lol.

You really have no idea what you're talking about do you?

A rag-tag bunch of thugs with guns, coming together to fight against Ukraine is a functioning state? I wasn't aware.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Wow, just listen to yourself! Actually, let me put it in perspective! "We need to end WW2 already. If it won't resolve itself, Nazi Germany must resolve it by force." Am I comparing Putin to Hitler? You be I am! But that's not what matters, what matters is the horrendously narrow-mindedness to this statement! A Russian victory is justified because it ends a war, even if millions get killed for it, or if a nation loses it's independence? You know, this war WOULD have resolved itself is Russia had stayed out of Ukraine's business in the FIRST PLACE. 2000 dead would be alive, 330'000 displaced persons would be at home living life as normal. And you say Russia should "resolve" it. *facepalm*

Just look at the USA, with their intervention where they aren't fucking needed. Serbia

Cuz fuck stopping genocide and ethnic cleansing amirite guys?

[Washington Resistance Army]

You really have no idea what you're talking about do you?

A rag-tag bunch of thugs with guns, coming together to fight against Ukraine is a functioning state? I wasn't aware.

Wait, read that wrong Ignore me I just woke up.

[Estruia]

From the outside, they seem to be functioning about as much as the Islamic State. I wonder if that woman "spy" will get a trial or not?

I didn't know the Islamic State had a space program, sent military aid and advisers to nations at war or was one of the most resource rich nations on the planet. Saying the DPRK doesn't function as a state just shows you don't know anything about the DPRK, it may be a belligerent state but that doesn't change anything.

We're on two different pages here, bucko. We're talking about the Donetsk People's Republic, not Worst Korea.

[Dalcaria]

From the outside, they seem to be functioning about as much as the Islamic State. I wonder if that woman "spy" will get a trial or not?

I didn't know the Islamic State had a space program, sent military aid and advisers to nations at war or was one of the most resource rich nations on the planet. Saying the DPRK doesn't function as a state just shows you don't know anything about the DPRK, it may be a belligerent state but that doesn't change anything.

A space program that isn't going anywhere, military aid to where exactly, and resources that countries like Canada probably have a few hundred times more of. Wait.... Are you talking about the Pro-Russian states in Ukraine, or North Korea here, I'm confused?