Ukraine Crisis II: Electric Boogaloo

[Soviet Russia Republic]

Not much to say about that meaningless declaration lol.

Ah. i can say whatever i want. Got a problem with it? If so, kindly fuck off.
Noticed in your sig youre pro russian. you in favor of this invasion and illegal annexation?

Pointless statement, I never said you couldn't write whatever you want. Further more common sense should tell you if you want someone to "fuck off", often saying so in that manor gets the opposite effect and some bitching by them.
I'm not really for or against the taking of Crimea, it has zero affect on my life. Turkey can have it for all I care. That being said I would consider the move the correct choice by Putin given the events over the past month, the lackluster response by the other big players, and considering the Crimea's vital role it has played for Russia in the past and present. If I were in Putin's decision I would of made a similar move, with some differences.

[European Socialist Republic]

Aren't those two points contradictory?

Nope - see "return the criminalization of Nazi propaganda", after which the question of Svoboda and "Pravy Sector" would be solved.

No, it is contradictory. Because you want Ukraine to "incorporate all political forces in the new government" (which obviously includes the pro-Russian ones) except for those you don't like, who should be criminalised.

[Palmyrene Empire]

Ah. i can say whatever i want. Got a problem with it? If so, kindly fuck off.
Noticed in your sig youre pro russian. you in favor of this invasion and illegal annexation?

In 1340 English king Eduard III proclaimed himself the King of France... Even after losing in Hundred Years War, English monarchs still added to the varitable panopticum of their titles "the King/Queen of France", despite the fact that English holdings on the Continent at that time only consisted only of Calais. Even after the it's capture in 1558 rulers of Britain, no matter what dynasty, stubbornly continued to call themselves "Kings of France" till 1800 totally ignoring the reality.

Akso, I advise you to tone down your juvenil standoffishness.

Make me. Your not a mod, so i dont have to listen to any of your shit.
By the way, what does this have to do with the situation at hand? Last time i checked, this is about ukraine/crimea not what the kings of britain called themselves.

[Scholmeria]

I say let the Russians have Crimea. Ukraine isn't going to do anything more than it already is (lest it be curb-stomped by Russia), America isn't going to do anything (Because we're not willing, nobody here is going to want to die over some small spit of land in East Europe), and the EU, who is probably the only one outside of Ukraine that SHOULD do anything, won't, because they are not willing, for similar reasons as I listed for the U.S.

Overall, Crimea by itself isn't worth doing anything serious over, and nothing really suggests that Russia is going to do anything more, aside from some colourful imaginings on the part of some Cold-War wet dreamers.

Russians could claim one day Alaska since it was been "part of Russia before America even existed". I hope that to that stage never comes.

[Scholmeria]

And there we have it, ladies and gentlemen. To OD, et al, international community is just the West. Other places like the USSR, aren't even considered as part of the International Community. We all remember that it was mostly England and France, along with Italy, agreed with Hitler. And yet, what does OD inadvertently let slip?

Hitler negotiated with the international community

Well, you might not realise but the USSR was back than an isolated country that nobody wanted to deal. The US recognised the USSR first time in 1933.

[Palmyrene Empire]

Ah. i can say whatever i want. Got a problem with it? If so, kindly fuck off.
Noticed in your sig youre pro russian. you in favor of this invasion and illegal annexation?

Pointless statement, I never said you couldn't write whatever you want. Further more common sense should tell you if you want someone to "fuck off", often saying so in that manor gets the opposite effect and some bitching by them.
I'm not really for or against the taking of Crimea, it has zero affect on my life. Turkey can have it for all I care. That being said I would consider the move the correct choice by Putin given the events over the past month, the lackluster response by the other big players, and considering the Crimea's vital role it has played for Russia in the past and present. If I were in Putin's decision I would of made a similar move, with some differences.

And you couldnt have just waited till elections to settle your differences? Ah, and then you have the nerve of promoting democracy, and invading and holding that..ahem referendum, dissapearing activists, making the tatars flee, yeah youre doing a great job man, keep it up!

[Soviet Russia Republic]

Make me. Your not a mod, so i dont have to listen to any of your shit.
By the way, what does this have to do with the situation at hand? Last time i checked, this is about ukraine/crimea not what the kings of britain called themselves.

His(?) clear example was demonstrating how your pointless declaration about Crimea means absolutely nothing just as the king's claim on France was. How after that point the claim was nothing more than a bad joke that ignored reality.

[The blood ravens]

I say let the Russians have Crimea. Ukraine isn't going to do anything more than it already is (lest it be curb-stomped by Russia), America isn't going to do anything (Because we're not willing, nobody here is going to want to die over some small spit of land in East Europe), and the EU, who is probably the only one outside of Ukraine that SHOULD do anything, won't, because they are not willing, for similar reasons as I listed for the U.S.

Overall, Crimea by itself isn't worth doing anything serious over, and nothing really suggests that Russia is going to do anything more, aside from some colourful imaginings on the part of some Cold-War wet dreamers.

Russians could claim one day Alaska since it was been "part of Russia before America even existed". I hope that to that stage never comes.

The difference being that the US wouldn't let Alaska go as easily as the Ukraine let Crimea go.

If they try to land on the shore they will be in deep shit.

[Soviet Russia Republic]

Pointless statement, I never said you couldn't write whatever you want. Further more common sense should tell you if you want someone to "fuck off", often saying so in that manor gets the opposite effect and some bitching by them.
I'm not really for or against the taking of Crimea, it has zero affect on my life. Turkey can have it for all I care. That being said I would consider the move the correct choice by Putin given the events over the past month, the lackluster response by the other big players, and considering the Crimea's vital role it has played for Russia in the past and present. If I were in Putin's decision I would of made a similar move, with some differences.

And you couldnt have just waited till elections to settle your differences? Ah, and then you have the nerve of promoting democracy, and invading and holding that..ahem referendum, dissapearing activists, making the tatars flee, yeah youre doing a great job man, keep it up!

Why thank you my friend!

[Palmyrene Empire]

And you couldnt have just waited till elections to settle your differences? Ah, and then you have the nerve of promoting democracy, and invading and holding that..ahem referendum, dissapearing activists, making the tatars flee, yeah youre doing a great job man, keep it up!

Why thank you my friend!

For opening your eyes to the Russians bullshit?

[Soviet Russia Republic]

Why thank you my friend!

For opening your eyes to the Russians bullshit?

All major powers are huge hypocrites, true with Russia, USA, China, Germany, etc. Obviously they also have a tendency to spew out bullshit or bend the truths to the masses in order to hide their real intentions and draw up better support, from Iraq to Crimea. You haven't opened my eyes to anything.

[Lyttenburgh]

1) Notorious "Right Sector" leader, de-facto un-elected governor of Rovno oblast, nationalist, Russophobe, veteran of the 1 Chechen war (where he fought on the side of separatists), fan of BDSM, Alexander "Sashko Beliy" Muzychenko kicked the bucket. Bilyi had warned beforehand about the possibility of him being murdered, accusing the new government of colluding and conspiring with Moscow (and promising to "hang like a dog" Acting Interior Minister Avakov).

The details are contradictory. Deputy Oles Doniy on his Facebook page wrote:

"Just been informed that they killed" "Sasha Bily"(Alexander Muzychko) in Rovno. Two car clipped his car, draged him out and put into their car. Later they threw him on the ground - hands behind his back in handcuffs, two shots in the heart "

Later Rovno's "ВсЕ" site, based on the information of its own sources , reported that the tragedy occurred last night in the cafe "Three carps", which is near Sarnensky Zhitenskogo and rings. There unknown persons allegedly started shooting , which resulted in the death of Alexander Muzychko. " His body is now in a few dozen meters from the cafe. Now the investigative team works on the scene of crime" - says the publication . According to site, several people who were in the cafe were also kidnapped.

Activist of "Right Sector" Yaroslav Granitniy confirmed information about the murder... He reported that he saw the body , it had torn clothing . " Those who killed him, made sure that he does not have the bulletproof vest , and then shot him in the heart" - said Granite . According to him, no one else was killed. However, among the 5- kidnapped three soldiers pf "Right Sector" and two civilians Among them, the chief of the city employment center Vladimir Datsenko .

But according to the officials from the Ukrainian Interior Ministry - Beliy was killed in shootout with militsia officers.

According to the First Deputy Minister of Internal Affairs of the Ukraine Vladimir Evdokimov ,

..on the night of March 25, GUBOP (General Directorate for Combating Crime) employees, including Special Forces "Falcon" , conducted a special operation on the territory of Rovno region to arrest gang members... the detention took place in a cafe "Three carps" near Rovno. After hearing cries "Stop! Police !" Bily jumped out the window and opened fire on the special forces "Falcon" .

Bullet fired by Muzychko, got policeman in protection glasses and stuck in a helmet. In response, police began firing in the feet of the suspect. Later during detention itself broke out shooting and brawl.

Evdokimov said that when they managed to arrest Muzychko, he was still alive , but he has died before the arrival of ambulance.

Together with Muzychko were arrested three members of the group. All of them were armed with Kalashnikov assault rifles and Makarov pistols. The detainees were taken to Kiev, investigators are working with them.

Biliy "comrades" don't buy this story.

"Right sector" declared vendetta Interior Minister of Ukraine for Sasha Biliy.

Ukrainian nationalist organization "Right sector" and intends to pay back acting Interior Minister Arsen Avakov for the death of prominent leader Muzychko Alexander (better known as Sahko Biliy). This was stated by the coordinator of the "right sector" in Rovno region Roman Koval. He spoke at a press conference in Rovno, reports "Liga.Novosti."...

Roman Koval assured that the soldiers of the "Right Sector" will take revenge "for the death of a fellow brother." "The shooting of Sasha Biliy - this was an arranged targeted killing [by] Minister [Avakov] . Muzychko did not get any subpoenas regarding any criminal cases... "- said nationalist.

He described as "a lie" version of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine pf Muzychko's circumstances of the death. " Sashko Biliy had his hands tied and could not physically shoot " - said Koval . How " Right sector" intends to avenge interior minister of Ukraine, was not reported.

Sashko Biliy death could be beneficial for at least two figures indicates The Moscow Post. According to the newspaper, shortly before his death Muzychko publicly threatened to hang the head of the Interior Ministry. According to rumors, the minister was furious when he heard this. Avakov promised to " deal" with the Biliy, the newspaper notes. Eliminating Muzychko also could be profitable for the leader of the "Right Sector" Dmitry Jarosh. With the departure of Biliy Yarosh not only lost its main competitor in the power hierarchy of Ukrainian radicals, but also now able to take control of "party funds " (generously replenished by Biliy with funds from racketeering and extortion).

Georges Jacques Danton said before his execution a famous (and prophetic) phrase: "The revolution devours its own children".

[Scholmeria]

... and yet your name is 'Russian homeboy in LA'...
Get that fucking name outta here.
The fuck you know about LA?
The fuck you know about homeboys?

one day LA will be Russian territory and all LA people will speak Russian. Even the homeboys.

Did not the Russian first colonised California?

[Lyttenburgh]

Also:

1) Ihor Tenyukh ("Svoboda"), acting Defense Minister of the Ukraine, (in)famous for his blunt and honest description of the Ukrainian armed forces, got his resignation at the second attempt, after a break in the proceedings. He is replaced by Mykhaylo Koval - Colonel-General of the Border Guard.

Tuesday, citing an unnamed deputy from the "Fatherland" (Yatsenyuk and Tymoshenko party), ITAR- TASS reported that Tenyukh was removed from office because of the situation in Crimea. According to the agency, acting defense minister for two weeks misinformed the country's leadership, arguing that he is in communication with the commanders in the Crimea, while none of the leaders of the General Staff of Ukraine did not try to contact the commanders of military units on the peninsula. The deputy said that at the highest level the activity Tenyukh has been characterized as a treason.

2) Klichko've called to change the chairman of the Verkhovna Rada (Turchynov) as "all Rada's actions have been ineffective so far" and... failed.

3) Acting Minister of the Interior Avakov ordered the headquarters of the National Guard of Ukraine searched. The National Guard consists primarily of "people militsia" and "Maidan self-defense" "warriors", often with strong ties to Right Sector and Svoboda.

"Right Sector" leaders demand now Avakov's resignation. Avakov releases a statement saying he will crack down mercilessly on "bandits". Don't want to sound dramatic, but this first open clash among the "Revolutionaries" and it's outcome would probably shape the fate of the "Euromaidan Revolution" and country.

[Avenio]

1) Notorious "Right Sector" leader, de-facto un-elected governor of Rovno oblast, nationalist, Russophobe, veteran of the 1 Chechen war (where he fought on the side of separatists), fan of BDSM, Alexander "Sashko Beliy" Muzychenko kicked the bucket.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

[Scholmeria]

Say what you will, but it already is.

It is not. It will never be russian. They may have it physically. but in spirit it will not be russian.

And what is more important on courts and all relevant maps it will always be a part of Ukraine.

[Scholmeria]

Russians could claim one day Alaska since it was been "part of Russia before America even existed". I hope that to that stage never comes.

The difference being that the US wouldn't let Alaska go as easily as the Ukraine let Crimea go.

If they try to land on the shore they will be in deep shit.

Sure, at this point it does not look as something that would happened in near future. But what if Obama continues to let Putin annexing territories and resources, maybe Russia will come to that point that it will be stronger than America.

[The Gaelic Kingdoms of Britain]

I say let the Russians have Crimea. Ukraine isn't going to do anything more than it already is (lest it be curb-stomped by Russia), America isn't going to do anything (Because we're not willing, nobody here is going to want to die over some small spit of land in East Europe), and the EU, who is probably the only one outside of Ukraine that SHOULD do anything, won't, because they are not willing, for similar reasons as I listed for the U.S.

Overall, Crimea by itself isn't worth doing anything serious over, and nothing really suggests that Russia is going to do anything more, aside from some colourful imaginings on the part of some Cold-War wet dreamers.

Russians could claim one day Alaska since it was been "part of Russia before America even existed". I hope that to that stage never comes.

You're really overlooking why Russia's targeting Ukraine as opposed to other places with Russian Minorities. The reason why Putin knows he can get away with Crimea is because Ukraine has no friends who are willing to fight for it after trying to break away from Russia to the EU. The reason why he's successful in all this is because Ukraine is weak and alone, two things places like Estonia, Finland, and Alaska are not.

Anyone who's ever played a civilization strategy sim would see this.

Russia's not going to pick fights with anyone who is really involved with the EU or U.S.

[Lyttenburgh]

1) Notorious "Right Sector" leader, de-facto un-elected governor of Rovno oblast, nationalist, Russophobe, veteran of the 1 Chechen war (where he fought on the side of separatists), fan of BDSM, Alexander "Sashko Beliy" Muzychenko kicked the bucket.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

Yes, he was. I have link to the video, but it's not Safe For Children (tm), to provide it on forum. Let's just say, that in that video two prostitutes in thematic costumes torture him. Their main weapon - thick heels. A "session" lasts several minutes. Judging by the record, Muzychko enjoys, despite the strongest blows to the face and not only.

[The Gaelic Kingdoms of Britain]

The difference being that the US wouldn't let Alaska go as easily as the Ukraine let Crimea go.

If they try to land on the shore they will be in deep shit.

Sure, at this point it does not look as something that would happened in near future. But what if Obama continues to let Putin annexing territories and resources, maybe Russia will come to that point that it will be stronger than America.

There's really no where else that Putin could really expand outside of Ukraine now, or in the foreseeable future. The people who border him are either super-Russia-friends, or are in NATO or the EU, and it would be suicide for him to mess with them.

[Palmyrene Empire]

So. anything new/intresting happen or is it finally over?3

[Estado Paulista]

So. anything new/intresting happen or is it finally over?3

Things are slowing down, but it's probably not over yet.

[New Crimea Republic]

So. anything new/intresting happen or is it finally over?3

No one will be able to stop Russia. Eastern Ukraine maybe will join Russian Federation too. Or will gain more autonomy from Western puppets.

[Oaledonia]

So. anything new/intresting happen or is it finally over?3

No one will be able to stop Russia. Eastern Ukraine maybe will join Russian Federation too. Or will gain more autonomy from Western puppets.

That's cute <3

[New Crimea Republic]

That's cute <3

It is of very much being so, yes.