Ukraine Crisis II: Electric Boogaloo

[Crazed Pirates]

Second, overthrowing current Ukranian government, which rose to power by overthrowing former legitimate government, isn't a bad thing. (And please, stop making it sound like one.)

The Ukrainian government's legitimacy was affirmed in May.

I'm really sorry, but what did we have in Ukraine? We had a rebellion against the legitimate government. I highly doubt that the current Ukranian government is truly legitimate, even if the all-mighty Jewnited States of Americunts said so.

[Geilinor]

The Ukrainian government's legitimacy was affirmed in May.

I'm really sorry, but what did we have in Ukraine? We had a rebellion against the legitimate government. I highly doubt that the current Ukranian government is truly legitimate, even if the all-mighty Jewnited States of Americunts said so.

Sure, the elections on May 25th were all the work of the Jewnited States of Americunts.

[Lyttenburg]

I certainly don't agree with Zavodyuk and hope he never gets near the Ukrainian government. I don't think he will. After the war ends, there will be more normalcy, not less.

Pfft! Specially for the like minded Westerners, I've posed a question several pages back:

...what will happen to the government sanctioned war-bands of volunteers and the National Guard? If your answer is "they will peacefully disarm and go homes to build Ukrainian Democracy!" then you don't know a thing about them.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I'm really sorry, but what did we have in Ukraine? We had a rebellion against the legitimate government. I highly doubt that the current Ukranian government is truly legitimate, even if the all-mighty Jewnited States of Americunts said so.

Sure, the elections on May 25th were all the work of the Jewnited States of Americunts.

Yes, it's all those dastardly Jews! Now someone bring me Fegelein Putin, we have planning to do.

[Crazed Pirates]

Second, overthrowing current Ukranian government, which rose to power by overthrowing former legitimate government, isn't a bad thing. (And please, stop making it sound like one.)

But then couldn't that government be overthrown because it overthrew the government that overthrew the original government? It would be a never ending cycle with that logic.

Yeah, a "Legitimate - less legitimate - more legitimate - GOTO step 2" kind of cycle. Or a non-stop civil war. Moreover, who gets more support from foreign countries wins eventually. (yeah, USA private armies)

[Geilinor]

I certainly don't agree with Zavodyuk and hope he never gets near the Ukrainian government. I don't think he will. After the war ends, there will be more normalcy, not less.

Pfft! Specially for the like minded Westerners, I've posed a question several pages back:

...what will happen to the government sanctioned war-bands of volunteers and the National Guard? If your answer is "they will peacefully disarm and go homes to build Ukrainian Democracy!" then you don't know a thing about them.

Why should the military have to completely disarm?

[Estruia]

Pfft! Specially for the like minded Westerners, I've posed a question several pages back:

Why should the military have to completely disarm?

Because only Russia is allowed to have a Military, of course!

[Parti Ouvrier]

I'm really sorry, but what did we have in Ukraine? We had a rebellion against the legitimate government. I highly doubt that the current Ukranian government is truly legitimate, even if the all-mighty Jewnited States of Americunts said so.

Sure, the elections on May 25th were all the work of the Jewnited States of Americunts.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Sure, the elections on May 25th were all the work of the Jewnited States of Americunts.

And a dose of Anti-Antisemitism helps your argument?

Eh, think you're replying to the wrong person there bud. He was quoting Crazed Pirates.

[Parti Ouvrier]

The Ukrainian government's legitimacy was affirmed in May.

I'm really sorry, but what did we have in Ukraine? We had a rebellion against the legitimate government. I highly doubt that the current Ukranian government is truly legitimate, even if the all-mighty Jewnited States of Americunts said so.

And a dose of Anti-Antisemitism helps your argument?

[Crazed Pirates]

Sure, the elections on May 25th were all the work of the Jewnited States of Americunts.

Yes, it's all those dastardly Jews! Now someone bring me Fegelein Putin, we have planning to do.

Ha-ha.
Well, Ukraine did everything itself this time - Crimea return was helpful for all those nationalists (though Jewish party had more votes than neo-Nazi one, lol)
All this Crimea thing was also helpful for covering occupation of Sevastopol in '93, occupation of independent(!) Crimea Republic in '95 and stealing 1/6 of the whole Russian fleet... But who cares?

[Lemanrussland]

In RT-land, "Pro-Ukrainian" IS fascist. Linking Ukraine's current government with Nazism and Fascism at every opportunity is pretty much the basic shtick of Russia's "public relations" effort.

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You didn't literally say "fascists are making prophecies of death and ruin". To be clear again, I was exaggerating, since your posts seem to be dripping with exaggeration, with your judicious use of quotes and hyperbole.

I really don't know now what are you talking about. I don't live in any "RT-land". In fact, I'm pretty sure that this country is nonexistent (excpet maybe in your fantasies). I live in a real world country. You may imply anything you want, but I said what I said "Pro-Ukrainins". And you started to lie, then started to wiggle out when I called your bullshit, and now is still trying to find an "excuse".

No, you were not "exaggerating" - you were lying outrageusly. Your personal fantasies "what people actually mean" doesn't mean that you suddenly acquired telepathic ability and may peoples minds and intents via computer screen.

For the future - lie less, stick to actually said/printed words more.

By "RT-land", I mean the world as imagined by the "free and independent" Russian state media. I didn't say that "RT-land" was a country, or that you live in it. Try sticking to actually said/printed words yourself, thanks.

I wasn't "lying outragously". If you can't deal with a little hyperbole poking fun at the Russian obsession with calling everything that doesn't sit right with them "fascist", after dishing out so much hyperbole yourself, just do yourself a favor and go somewhere where you can have your rants about evil Ukrainians and ignorant Westerners unopposed.

Pretty much every post you make has tons of sarcasm-laden expressions and tons of hyperbole in it, so stop crying when I say "fascist".

[Lyttenburg]

...what will happen to the government sanctioned war-bands of volunteers and the National Guard? If your answer is "they will peacefully disarm and go homes to build Ukrainian Democracy!" then you don't know a thing about them.

Why should the military have to completely disarm?[/quote]

Most of so-called National guard "volunteer battallions" and just oligarch-funded battallions are not proper military. You didn't know that? Then educate yourself a bit more about the Ukraine in the current situation.

[Geilinor]

Why should the military have to completely disarm?

Most of so-called National guard "volunteer battallions" and just oligarch-funded battallions are not proper military. You didn't know that? Then educate yourself a bit more about the Ukraine in the current situation.[/quote]

Looks like proper military to me.

[Lyttenburg]

By "RT-land", I mean the world as imagined by the "free and independent" Russian state media. I didn't say that "RT-land" was a country, or that you live in it. Try sticking to actually said/printed words yourself, thanks.

And what make you think that I (or even majority of Russians) wathc RT-channel. No, what makes you think I wathc Russian TV at all (and I don't)? You were lying, trig to save your ass, and all I hear is just some lame excuses.

I wasn't "lying outragously". If you can't deal with a little hyperbole poking fun at the Russian obsession with calling everything that doesn't sit right with them "fascist", after dishing out so much hyperbole yourself, just do yourself a favor and go somewhere where you can have your rants about evil Ukrainians and ignorant Westerners unopposed.

User Lemanrussland, you are hardly in any position to tell (or even suggest) for me where to go or what (or how) dicuss.

Pretty much every post you make has tons of sarcasm-laden expressions and tons of hyperbole in it, so stop crying when I say "fascist".

Actually, I'm wasn't crying. Maybe for such sensetive (after all, you can sense the intent of other posters though the Internet!) user as you it is naturall to cry without reason, but not for me.

[Crazed Pirates]

Why should the military have to completely disarm?

Most of so-called National guard "volunteer battallions" and just oligarch-funded battallions are not proper military. You didn't know that? Then educate yourself a bit more about the Ukraine in the current situation.

Looks like proper military to me.[/quote]
Of course it looks like a proper military, but those battalions are essentially war crime-doers (not all of them are war criminals, of course, but that's what Ukranian oligarchs are making them to do), or the only part of the Ukranian military, that's capable of fighting (and it isn't).

[Occupied Deutschland]

Most of so-called National guard "volunteer battallions" and just oligarch-funded battallions are not proper military. You didn't know that? Then educate yourself a bit more about the Ukraine in the current situation.

Looks like proper military to me.

You don't understand, they don't have clear unit patches or national flags on their 'uniforms'.

Only Russians are allowed to have military forces that don't have unit patches or national flags on their uniforms to reclaim 'lost territory' that was in temporary rebellion against their holy and indomitable rule. Хероям слава! Хероям слава! Хероям слава!

[Lyttenburg]

Looks like proper military to me.

Gee, one picture! You surely now know everything!

It's them probably fresh from the/to the training base. Have you seen them "in the field"?

Again, I had to quote myself:

- This is a Westerner written piece about "volunteer battallion" Aidar.
- And this is the most recent informationabout the said battallion "heroic exploits".

[Lemanrussland]

By "RT-land", I mean the world as imagined by the "free and independent" Russian state media. I didn't say that "RT-land" was a country, or that you live in it. Try sticking to actually said/printed words yourself, thanks.

And what make you think that I (or even majority of Russians) wathc RT-channel. No, what makes you think I wathc Russian TV at all (and I don't)? You were lying, trig to save your ass, and all I hear is just some lame excuses.

I wasn't "lying outragously". If you can't deal with a little hyperbole poking fun at the Russian obsession with calling everything that doesn't sit right with them "fascist", after dishing out so much hyperbole yourself, just do yourself a favor and go somewhere where you can have your rants about evil Ukrainians and ignorant Westerners unopposed.

User Lemanrussland, you are hardly in any position to tell (or even suggest) for me where to go or what (or how) dicuss.

Pretty much every post you make has tons of sarcasm-laden expressions and tons of hyperbole in it, so stop crying when I say "fascist".

Actually, I'm wasn't crying. Maybe for such sensetive (after all, you can sense the intent of other posters though the Internet!) user as you it is naturall to cry without reason, but not for me.

I never said you watched it, either. I wouldn't expect a Russian to watch RT, since it's primarily aimed at gullible Western audiences. "RT-land" is an expression for the alternative reality spun by the Russian government's media outlets. Tons of people have poked fun at their judicious use of "Russophobia! Fascism! American Imperialism!" as explanations for when something doesn't go Russia's way, not sure why you're suddenly calling me out for it. For the record, there is an element of truth to Russia's cries of about "Banderist Fascists!", but it's exaggerated for propaganda purposes.

Second, sorry for saying you were crying. I forgot strong Russian Slav-men never cry (unless they've been fooled by Western-backed homosexual propaganda, of course).

[Germanic Templars]

And what make you think that I (or even majority of Russians) wathc RT-channel. No, what makes you think I wathc Russian TV at all (and I don't)? You were lying, trig to save your ass, and all I hear is just some lame excuses.



User Lemanrussland, you are hardly in any position to tell (or even suggest) for me where to go or what (or how) dicuss.



Actually, I'm wasn't crying. Maybe for such sensetive (after all, you can sense the intent of other posters though the Internet!) user as you it is naturall to cry without reason, but not for me.

I never said you watched it, either. I wouldn't expect a Russian to watch RT, since it's primarily aimed at gullible Western audiences. "RT-land" is an expression for the alternative reality spun by the Russian government's media outlets. Tons of people have poked fun at their judicious use of "Russophobia! Fascism! American Imperialism!" as explanations for when something doesn't go Russia's way, not sure why you're suddenly calling me out for it. For the record, there is an element of truth to Russia's cries of about "Banderist Fascists!", but it's exaggerated for propaganda purposes.

Second, sorry for saying you were crying. I forgot strong Russian slav-men never cry (unless they've been fooled by Western-backed homosexual propaganda, of course).

Alright, lad. That is enough. As humorous as it is (cause I am already going to hell for all of the horrible things I laughed at) best stop now before the mods come a-knocking down the door and handing out red text from Hell.

[Parti Ouvrier]

Yes, we can argue about snap parliamentary elections in Ukraine now.

[Crazed Pirates]

Yes, we can argue about snap parliamentary elections in Ukraine now.

And should we really do this?

[Gingeska]

Looks like proper military to me.

You don't understand, they don't have clear unit patches or national flags on their 'uniforms'.

Only Russians are allowed to have military forces that don't have unit patches or national flags on their uniforms to reclaim 'lost territory' that was in temporary rebellion against their holy and indomitable rule. Хероям слава! Хероям слава! Хероям слава!

According to international war law irregular forces don't need to have flags or unit patches.
They don't even have to have matching uniforms.

[Parti Ouvrier]

Yes, we can argue about snap parliamentary elections in Ukraine now.

And should we really do this?

I'll let you all decide that, Poroshenko wants legitimacy, anyway, Salmond and Darling having a barny on bbc, gota go.

[Lemanrussland]

Yes, we can argue about snap parliamentary elections in Ukraine now.

I think there are two competing issues here.

1) The current parliament of Ukraine should be replaced at some point, as soon as possible really. The government has been making early parliamentary elections an issue since Yanukovych was thrown out.
2) The eastern regions are still in such a state that they couldn't effectively participate in any parliamentary elections. Law and order would have to be re-established in these regions before any elections are held, otherwise they would probably be similar to the presidential elections held in May.

Reminds me a little bit of the various federal and state elections held during the American Civil War.