Ukraine Crisis II: Electric Boogaloo

[Malgrave]

If Russia fucked off out of Ukraine's territory and stopped prolonging a conflict, absolutely.

Oh, so much wrong in so short (phone sent) answer!

"If Russia fucked off out of Ukraine's territory..." - which territory? Do you include Crimea? Even in the absolutely unrealistic scenario all russian military presence would be made "poof" out of the Ukraine it wont stop the conflict - it would allow the Ukrainian forces to massacre mercilessly all they declare "seperatists" in the East.

Crimea is still internationally recognised as Ukrainian territory and I don't see any reason to assume why this massacre of rebels would take place.

[Lyttenburg]

Indeed I do, it isn't all that complicated. All the moronic claims about "Kiev banderist neo-Nazi" etc etc is just that, moronic. It has been shown time and time again that they hold no major influence and aren't popular.

Then I'm surprised why are you like some broken record repeat this "only 2 %" nonsense. There wasn perliament elections in the Ukraine yet - so how do you know about the real support of the nationalists and their chances to enter new Rada and even the Government?

[United Marxist Nations]

Ukraine is trying to ban the Communist Party, and Ukraine has actively cooperated with Right Sector militarily. That is anti-communist action.

EDIT: And Ukraine is a mafia state too.

EDIT: I don't support Russia, I just oppose Ukraine.

So, the fact that the Communist Party of Ukraine, which has clearly shown to be a puppet of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, is almost being banned by the government of Ukraine, is suddenly A Bad Thing (TM)? You know, that same Communist Party of the Russian Federation that supported destroying LGBT rights and the re-Stalinisation of the country? That same Communist Party of the Russian Federation, which is not communist nor socialist even in the most basic sense of the word, is an active ally of the Ukrainian Communist Party, which has on multiple occasions supported extremely pro-Russian and anti-Ukrainian laws. Hell, its ideology sounds not far away from National Bolshevism which, if you didn't know yet, is an ideology formulated by Aleksandr Dugin supporting a fascist-Stalinist state "from Dublin to Vladivostok" and dominated by, you guessed it, Russians.

I quote:

[quote=Wikipedia on CPU]In recent years their commitment to Soviet nationalism has been partially replaced with a vaguer East Slavic nationalism.[29] Wishing not to reestablish a union with Russia "'as a protectorate of the Russian bourgeoisie", "the Ukrainian Communists have rediscovered the natural link from Soviet to East Slavic or Eurasian nationalism in the supposed common 'economic civilization' and proclivity for collective labour of all the East Slavic peoples."[29] As noted in the party journal Communist, the "'Soviet man [...] did not emerge from nothing before him stood the courageous Slavic-Rusich, the labour-loving Ukrainian peasant, the self-sacrificing Cossack."[29] At the 4th KPU Congress, the party finally conceded that Ukraine would not join any particular union as long as it weakened the country's sovereignty.[30]

[/quote]
KPU isn't a "puppet"; it is a part of the CPSU, like all communist parties in the former USSR are, because it is greater for their cooperation. Moreover, CPRF is actually the most significant opposition block in Russia. Furthermore, KPU receives a lot if the vote in the East and has 115,000 members (not even including allies in the CPSU); thus, the move is both undemocratic and strategically stupid.

[Kelinfort]

Indeed I do, it isn't all that complicated. All the moronic claims about "Kiev banderist neo-Nazi" etc etc is just that, moronic. It has been shown time and time again that they hold no major influence and aren't popular.

Then I'm surprised why are you like some broken record repeat this "only 2 %" nonsense. There wasn perliament elections in the Ukraine yet - so how do you know about the real support of the nationalists and their chances to enter new Rada and even the Government?

Actually, if Russia fears a fascist Ukrainian government, as they claim, their aggression or perceived aggression means more support for Svoboda.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Indeed I do, it isn't all that complicated. All the moronic claims about "Kiev banderist neo-Nazi" etc etc is just that, moronic. It has been shown time and time again that they hold no major influence and aren't popular.

Then I'm surprised why are you like some broken record repeat this "only 2 %" nonsense. There wasn perliament elections in the Ukraine yet - so how do you know about the real support of the nationalists and their chances to enter new Rada and even the Government?

Don't worry user person Lyttenburg! Glorius and true RT reported vigorously on this number, as we can see here Right Sector and Svoboda candidates for President won a combined total of around 2% of the vote! Much popular, such support.

[Lyttenburg]

Don't worry user person Lyttenburg! Glorius and true RT reported vigorously on this number, as we can see here Right Sector and Svoboda candidates for President won a combined total of around 2% of the vote! Much popular, such support.

Presidential candidates' scores are not indication of real support for their parties. Is it so difficult for you to understand? Instead, like a parrot, you are repeating this "2%! 2%!2%!" nonsense hoping... I really, don't know what for.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Don't worry user person Lyttenburg! Glorius and true RT reported vigorously on this number, as we can see here Right Sector and Svoboda candidates for President won a combined total of around 2% of the vote! Much popular, such support.

Presidential candidates' scores are not indication of real support for their parties. Is it so difficult for you to understand? Instead, like a parrot, you are repeating this "2%! 2%!2%!" nonsense hoping... I really, don't know what for.

Cuz that makes sense, so you're trying to say that more of Ukraine supports the radical right wing but couldn't be bothered to vote for someone who shares their views? I'm guessing you can back up that claim with sources and reasons why the ebul banderist's couldn't be bothered to vote?

[Cartalucci]

And who voted for these people to lead the so called "anti-terrorist operation" in East Ukraine as they have been doing for several months now?

Military positions aren't up for elections bud, that isn't how it works. Most of them flocked into the National Guard or the groups like the Donbass Battalion and were subsequently deployed to the east. When your nation is in turmoil and you need people to fight you'll take anyone.

The Ukrainian government allied itself with neo-Nazis, plunging the country into turmoil, so the government need to ally itself with neo-Nazis, plunging the country into turmoil, so the government need to ally itself with neo-Nazis...

Nice circular reasoning there.

[Arglorand]

Don't worry user person Lyttenburg! Glorius and true RT reported vigorously on this number, as we can see here Right Sector and Svoboda candidates for President won a combined total of around 2% of the vote! Much popular, such support.

Presidential candidates' scores are not indication of real support for their parties. Is it so difficult for you to understand? Instead, like a parrot, you are repeating this "2%! 2%!2%!" nonsense hoping... I really, don't know what for.

Is it my old friend Lyttenburgh, the Mouth of Sauron, gloriously crushing Gondorian and Elvish 2%NONSENSE again? Do be a dear and remind us how your always correct, always wise Russian television insisted at first that Yarosh won.

Look, you might buy your propaganda, but the rest of us have better shit to buy. Like parmesan, prosciutto and Polish apples.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Military positions aren't up for elections bud, that isn't how it works. Most of them flocked into the National Guard or the groups like the Donbass Battalion and were subsequently deployed to the east. When your nation is in turmoil and you need people to fight you'll take anyone.

The Ukrainian government allied itself with neo-Nazis, plunging the country into turmoil, so the government need to ally itself with neo-Nazis, plunging the country into turmoil, so the government need to ally itself with neo-Nazis...

Nice circular reasoning there.

Cuz every single person in Euromaidan was a Nazi amirite guys?

[United Marxist Nations]

Presidential candidates' scores are not indication of real support for their parties. Is it so difficult for you to understand? Instead, like a parrot, you are repeating this "2%! 2%!2%!" nonsense hoping... I really, don't know what for.

Cuz that makes sense, so you're trying to say that more of Ukraine supports the radical right wing but couldn't be bothered to vote for someone who shares their views? I'm guessing you can back up that claim with sources and reasons why the ebul banderist's couldn't be bothered to vote?

Well, it is entirely possible; after all, Putin's Party lost a lot of votes last election, but Putin did very well himself.

[Lyttenburg]

Cuz that makes sense, so you're trying to say that more of Ukraine supports the radical right wing but couldn't be bothered to vote for someone who shares their views? I'm guessing you can back up that claim with sources and reasons why the ebul banderist's couldn't be bothered to vote?

It never crossed your mind that perhaps, people in favor of nationalistic parties may not sympathize with people said parties nominated as presidential candidates? Right Sector experienced micro internicine war, with Sashko Beliy faction acting independently of the party leadership. This insubordination didn't make them less Russophobic or nationalist - only less likely to listen to the official leadership.

[Malgrave]

Military positions aren't up for elections bud, that isn't how it works. Most of them flocked into the National Guard or the groups like the Donbass Battalion and were subsequently deployed to the east. When your nation is in turmoil and you need people to fight you'll take anyone.

The Ukrainian government allied itself with neo-Nazis, plunging the country into turmoil, so the government need to ally itself with neo-Nazis, plunging the country into turmoil, so the government need to ally itself with neo-Nazis...

Nice circular reasoning there.

Wrong. President Yan fled the capital (eventually the country) and abandoned his constitutional duties, he was legally removed by parliament by a transitional government that had to include some far-right groups for the sake of stability but was clearly only temporary.

[Lyttenburg]

Wrong. President Yan fled the capital (eventually the country) and abandoned his constitutional duties,

Who is thie "President Yan"? Are we talking about the Ukraine here or the eastern Asia?

he was legally removed by parliament by a transitional government that had to include some far-right groups for the sake of stability but was clearly only temporary.

No, he was removed illegally, because there wasn't enough votes to cast him down. But, of course, for concerned Westerners so well versed in what is legal and what is now, such peice of paper as constitution of the Ukraine means nothing.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Presidential candidates' scores are not indication of real support for their parties. Is it so difficult for you to understand? Instead, like a parrot, you are repeating this "2%! 2%!2%!" nonsense hoping... I really, don't know what for.

Cuz that makes sense, so you're trying to say that more of Ukraine supports the radical right wing but couldn't be bothered to vote for someone who shares their views? I'm guessing you can back up that claim with sources and reasons why the ebul banderist's couldn't be bothered to vote?

The ebul Banderists were too busy casting their dark magic rituals that gave Ukrainian SU-25s the service ceiling necessary to shoot down MH17. Such rituals require months of focus.

Russia Today did mention that the Banderists are a bunch of dark magicians, right? They may have forgotten to bring that topic up in amid all the other 'news' they're reporting. For example: I present exhibit A, exposing the presence of such dark wizards as far back as the Kyiv protests.

[Arglorand]

Cuz that makes sense, so you're trying to say that more of Ukraine supports the radical right wing but couldn't be bothered to vote for someone who shares their views? I'm guessing you can back up that claim with sources and reasons why the ebul banderist's couldn't be bothered to vote?

The ebul Banderists were too busy casting their dark magic rituals that gave Ukrainian SU-25s the service ceiling necessary to shoot down MH17. Such rituals require months of focus.

Russia Today did mention that the Banderists are a bunch of dark magicians, right? They may have forgotten to bring that topic up in amid all the other 'news' they're reporting.

They're Wiccans. Wiccan gay Jews conspiring to destroy the mighty lord, Tsar and Autocrat of All Russias, Vladimir I, son of Vladimir, of the House of Sauron, by flooding him with Nazi pride parades where Russian children are turned into Ukrainian gays.

RIA Novosti told me so.

[Lyttenburg]

Just yesterday I was wondering - where would Poroshenko and his government find more fresh bodies to throw to the meatgrinder in the East? The answer was surprising, but, if you think about, totally in vein with everithing that has happened on the Ukraine so far.

The penal battalions!

Poroshenko viewing the project of sending to the frontlines battalions made of prisoners.

Kyiv, September 1 (PolitNavigator, Yury Kovalchuk) - Ukraine may strengthen its armed forces by battalions formed from prisoners, said the representative of the center of re-socialization "Listopad" Constantine Lisyuchenko on air at "Channel 5."

"At the moment, to the president of the Ukraine Poroshenko was submitted a draft of re-socialization of prisoners by their engagement in the ATO. We already have a few thousand who are ready to atone for their crimes with their own blood. While we have not received an answer from the president, but it's all real.

The problem is that it may offend the sensibilities of the victims of the perpetrator or their families, but it will not mean amnesty for them rather a parole on probation at the time of the ATO. There will also be very strict regime, so criminals can reform "- said Lisyuchenko.

Earlier, deputy governor of Dnepropetrovsk Gennady Korban proposed the appointment as the head of one of the districts of Donbass a man with seven convictions who is taking part in the ATO.

"From the people with guns we need to build a new police force, new prosecutors. For example, a guy came to us - now he is the commander of battalion "Shahtersk". Great guy. Not bydlo, not an asshole, does not even look like a man from Donetsk[1].

However, he has seven convictions on him. Do you know for what? Here he broke the window in cops' station , there cut the tire. And why ? They really pissed him off, tried to meddle with his business. He has several kopankas[2].

And I would have appointed him the head of the district administration. And believe me, there would been an order. Do not be afraid of it. We must be able to trust them. We need to give them the opportunity to feed in their home, then they will not spoil it, "- said in an interview with Korban" Novoye Vremja".

[1] Its really charming how rev Korban is so dissmissive of Donbass residents, as if they belong to some defective breeds of humans. But what can you expect from the deputy of rev Kolomoyskiy himself?

[2] Kopanki - illegal coal mining shafts.

PS.

Цэ пэрэмога!

[Bandwagon]

According to the Italian newspaper La Repubblica Vladimir Putin has told Jose Manuel Barroso that Russia could take over Kiev in two weeks. (The capital not the chicken one you have for dinner. )
Is this leak true or not?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/02/putin-russian-forces-could-conquer-ukraine-capital-kiev-fortnight
NATO says there's at least 1,000 Russian troops in Ukraine. The Ukranians themselves puts it at 1,600. While Russia denies it.
http://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2014/09/01/news/ucraina_il_ricatto_di_putin_sul_vertice_europeo_se_voglio_prendo_kiev_in_due_settimane-94791280/
(Above is the original article in Italian, which I know a small bit of and I can't understand that. Hopefully it's the right article or I'm a dumbass.)

[Yorkopolis]

Just yesterday I was wondering - where would Poroshenko and his government find more fresh bodies to throw to the meatgrinder in the East? The answer was surprising, but, if you think about, totally in vein with everithing that has happened on the Ukraine so far.

The penal battalions!

Poroshenko viewing the project of sending to the frontlines battalions made of prisoners.

Kyiv, September 1 (PolitNavigator, Yury Kovalchuk) - Ukraine may strengthen its armed forces by battalions formed from prisoners, said the representative of the center of re-socialization "Listopad" Constantine Lisyuchenko on air at "Channel 5."

"At the moment, to the president of the Ukraine Poroshenko was submitted a draft of re-socialization of prisoners by their engagement in the ATO. We already have a few thousand who are ready to atone for their crimes with their own blood. While we have not received an answer from the president, but it's all real.

The problem is that it may offend the sensibilities of the victims of the perpetrator or their families, but it will not mean amnesty for them rather a parole on probation at the time of the ATO. There will also be very strict regime, so criminals can reform "- said Lisyuchenko.

Earlier, deputy governor of Dnepropetrovsk Gennady Korban proposed the appointment as the head of one of the districts of Donbass a man with seven convictions who is taking part in the ATO.

"From the people with guns we need to build a new police force, new prosecutors. For example, a guy came to us - now he is the commander of battalion "Shahtersk". Great guy. Not bydlo, not an asshole, does not even look like a man from Donetsk[1].

However, he has seven convictions on him. Do you know for what? Here he broke the window in cops' station , there cut the tire. And why ? They really pissed him off, tried to meddle with his business. He has several kopankas[2].

And I would have appointed him the head of the district administration. And believe me, there would been an order. Do not be afraid of it. We must be able to trust them. We need to give them the opportunity to feed in their home, then they will not spoil it, "- said in an interview with Korban" Novoye Vremja".

[1] Its really charming how rev Korban is so dissmissive of Donbass residents, as if they belong to some defective breeds of humans. But what can you expect from the deputy of rev Kolomoyskiy himself?

[2] Kopanki - illegal coal mining shafts.

PS.

Цэ пэрэмога!

Well if it isn't my dearest friend, Propaganda Minister Iozef "Lyttenburgh" Gyebbyel's, spouting the propaganda for his beloved Fyurer, Vladolf Putler, completely from a website that is written in Russian only, and without any other English sources to back the claims up. Furthermore, the website actually has an article entitled "The Myth of Ukraine"! Totally not a pro-Russian site or anything, but an independent site that our beloved Propaganda Minister uses to support the beloved Fyurer, Vladolf Putler himself.

[Arglorand]

Hey, I can post non-factual nonsense from nonexistent or untrustworthy sources, like literally every Russian apologetic does, too. Let me try.

According to a guy who I talked to once on Reddit, the Russian army is surrendering en masse and the residents of Moscow are already preparing to meet the Ukrainian army with salt, bread, vodka and computer games in the Red Square.

Also, reports are coming in informing us that Alina Kabayeva has killed Putin in his sleep and has been declared the Provisional People's Governor of the Republic of Greater Tatarstan. Poroshenko has already called on her to recognise the federalisation of Siberia and the national independence of the Chinese Republic of the Far East.

This badass music video is my source.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Hey, I can post non-factual nonsense from nonexistent or untrustworthy sources, like literally every Russian apologetic does, too. Let me try.

According to a guy who I talked to once on Reddit, the Russian army is surrendering en masse and the residents of Moscow are already preparing to meet the Ukrainian army with salt, bread, vodka and computer games in the Red Square.

Computer games you say? Does the Ukrainian army accept foreigners?

[Arglorand]

Hey, I can post non-factual nonsense from nonexistent or untrustworthy sources, like literally every Russian apologetic does, too. Let me try.

According to a guy who I talked to once on Reddit, the Russian army is surrendering en masse and the residents of Moscow are already preparing to meet the Ukrainian army with salt, bread, vodka and computer games in the Red Square.

Computer games you say? Does the Ukrainian army accept foreigners?

Yes.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Computer games you say? Does the Ukrainian army accept foreigners?

Yes.

Hmm.. It's tempting.

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

According to the Italian newspaper La Repubblica Vladimir Putin has told Jose Manuel Barroso that Russia could take over Kiev in two weeks. (The capital not the chicken one you have for dinner. )
Is this leak true or not?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/02/putin-russian-forces-could-conquer-ukraine-capital-kiev-fortnight
NATO says there's at least 1,000 Russian troops in Ukraine. The Ukranians themselves puts it at 1,600. While Russia denies it.
http://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2014/09/01/news/ucraina_il_ricatto_di_putin_sul_vertice_europeo_se_voglio_prendo_kiev_in_due_settimane-94791280/
(Above is the original article in Italian, which I know a small bit of and I can't understand that. Hopefully it's the right article or I'm a dumbass.)

Haha Putin has balls, though lets not sensationalize this. Although he did say he could march on Kiev it was supposedly taken out of context.

[The blood ravens]

Hey, I can post non-factual nonsense from nonexistent or untrustworthy sources, like literally every Russian apologetic does, too. Let me try.

According to a guy who I talked to once on Reddit, the Russian army is surrendering en masse and the residents of Moscow are already preparing to meet the Ukrainian army with salt, bread, vodka and computer games in the Red Square.

Computer games you say? Does the Ukrainian army accept foreigners?

Only the finest computer games for the glorious Ukrainian army.